Movie Left-Wing Agenda in Cinema/TV

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kids can have opinions and thats fine, some of them precocious. but generally theyre opinions are still very nascent, theyre still in their formative years of thought, beliefs, understandings, experiences. why is it that only adults have an issue with this? because its a broad meaty topic and adults can analyze and incorporate other aspects of life as analogies.
I reckon its conditioning more than a greater capacity for analysis. Adults have been used to certain on-screen representations all their life, until recently.

Kids don't carry that conditioning so they don't see any issue.
 

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I think the sticking point is the way it is done. Work hard and diligently and creatively to write more powerful female characters. Characters that stand on their own through powerful writing rather than a lazy means of a character having to verbalise constantly "I am a powerful female character".
Im exaggerrating a tad obviously and not saying its all like that but I think thats the crux of the matter.
Clever impactful writing of characters regardless of gender and not lazy writing using cliche obvious sentiments to make the differentiation.
Sure that would be ideal, just from an entertainment persepctive. But there are a million examples of poorly written male characters over the journey and it didn't generate this kinda discussion or pushback.

Sometimes sh1t movies are just sh1t movies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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I’ll re-phrase what I was asking. Women, traditionally, have not been the target audience of action movies. If given a choice, traditionally, women would prefer a drama or rom-com...broadly speaking. My question is, do women suddenly chose action films because it’s a female lead kicking ass? Is that the reason, traditionally, they have not been into this genre?
Thats kinda the point - traditionally, women would be marketed a drama or rom-com. Traditionally.

Studios have realised they're leaving a heap of cash on the table not making action/superhero movies that cater at least in some respect to women. Moreso than ever these days with the rise of nerd culture.
 

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Sure that would be ideal, just from an entertainment persepctive. But there are a million examples of poorly written male characters over the journey and it didn't generate this kinda discussion or pushback.

Sometimes sh1t movies are just sh1t movies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No argument s**t movies being just s**t movies. By poorly written I was alluding to lazy writing which dictates said female characters having to remind us every 5 minutes that they are powerful and female. Its a lazy short cut method and saving the hassle to having to develop a character further than just their gender. Its not that hard surely. Sarah Connor came off as pretty badass in the 80's without having to tell us every so often that she was girl power personified.
 

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Batwoman trailer.

Lines from the trailer....

"the bat suit will be perfect when it fits a woman"

"im not gonna let a man take credit for a woman's work"

the dude's fiance would've preferred those lines being...

"the bat suit will be perfect when it fits me"

and

"im not gonna let batman take credit for my work"
 

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Captain Marvel took in over $1 billion and is the 7th most successful Marvel movie.


Avengers:End Game featured a wide diversity of characters and is the highest grossing movie of all time.

Seems like people do go to movies with strong female characters. Who would have thunk it?

BTW UFC 193 (highest crowd ever for the company) was headlined by Rhonda Rousey vs Holly Holm.
That's when Rousey shut down the female journalist who tried to stir up some feminist crap.
 

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No argument s**t movies being just s**t movies. By poorly written I was alluding to lazy writing which dictates said female characters having to remind us every 5 minutes that they are powerful and female. Its a lazy short cut method and saving the hassle to having to develop a character further than just their gender. Its not that hard surely. Sarah Connor came off as pretty badass in the 80's without having to tell us every so often that she was girl power personified.
Something Ripley or Wonder Woman never need to do.
 

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No argument s**t movies being just s**t movies. By poorly written I was alluding to lazy writing which dictates said female characters having to remind us every 5 minutes that they are powerful and female. Its a lazy short cut method and saving the hassle to having to develop a character further than just their gender. Its not that hard surely. Sarah Connor came off as pretty badass in the 80's without having to tell us every so often that she was girl power personified.
Something Ripley or Wonder Woman never need to do.
Got any any specific examples in mind (of reminding us every 5 mins that they are powerful and female)?
 

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Sure - what specific dialogue or scenes would you identify in that movie?
The completely tacky use of Just a Girl. My Mrs described that an eye roll moment. Lame as fu**.

Then there's gender swapping a well established and liked Marvel character for no specific reason other than to push further the "female empowered" line of the film.

The whole sequence of you can't do this because you're a girl. More lameness.
 

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The completely tacky use of Just a Girl. My Mrs described that an eye roll moment. Lame as fu**.

Then there's gender swapping a well established and liked Marvel character for no specific reason other than to push further the "female empowered" line of the film.

The whole sequence of you can't do this because you're a girl. More lameness.
Oh yeah, I actually forgot about that Just A Girl fight sequence. Agree, was a bit on the nose.

Not sure about the rest. Never read the comic so was unaware of the gender swap but nothing about that role (Annette Bening's) particularly stood out to me as "girl power". Probably see it as an example of artificially flipping things in the name of redressing traditional imbalance as per my first post in this thread.
 

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Oh yeah, I actually forgot about that Just A Girl fight sequence. Agree, was a bit on the nose.

Not sure about the rest. Never read the comic so was unaware of the gender swap but nothing about that role (Annette Bening's) particularly stood out to me as "girl power". Probably see it as an example of artificially flipping things in the name of redressing traditional imbalance as per my first post in this thread.
That's a false narrative though.

If you do some research you'll see there's significantly more movies made to specifically target female audiences than are made with the sole purpose to target male audiences.

So women are represented a hell of a lot, especially in the movies aimed directly at them.

You think Dirty Dancing was aimed at a male audience?

If we looked at audience break downs say between Dirty Dancing and Die Hard I'm sure we'd find a higher % of women watching Die Hard than men watching Dirty Dancing.

Dirty Dancing had a direct target audience, Die Hard would have been made as a general film trying to get everyone in to see it.
 

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That's a false narrative though.

If you do some research you'll see there's significantly more movies made to specifically target female audiences than are made with the sole purpose to target male audiences.

So women are represented a hell of a lot, especially in the movies aimed directly at them.

You think Dirty Dancing was aimed at a male audience?

If we looked at audience break downs say between Dirty Dancing and Die Hard I'm sure we'd find a higher % of women watching Die Hard than men watching Dirty Dancing.

Dirty Dancing had a direct target audience, Die Hard would have been made as a general film trying to get everyone in to see it.
The sooner you let go of your bizarre takes on what constitutes "men's entertainment" and "women's entertainment", you might start to enjoy films more. The idea that Die Hard was targeted at both men and women, but Dirty Dancing is just a chick flick, to establish this idea that men are missing out is laughable.

As a side not, the main star of Dirty Dancing was a man and would have got paid more. That's something of an imbalance too.
 

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The sooner you let go of your bizarre takes on what constitutes "men's entertainment" and "women's entertainment", you might start to enjoy films more. The idea that Die Hard was targeted at both men and women, but Dirty Dancing is just a chick flick, to establish this idea that men are missing out is laughable.
Dirty Dancing is just a chick flick.

I'm not saying men are missing out, you just made that up. Well done to you on providing the laughs.

I simply pointed out there's far more direct marketing of films to a female audience than there is to a male audience.



As a side not, the main star of Dirty Dancing was a man and would have got paid more. That's something of an imbalance too.
Your hot take here shows you've got no idea what you're talking about.

The main star got paid more, well fu** me that's a shock, who'd have thunk it?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say they hired Swayze for the beefcake element as women were horny for him in that era. So no imbalance.

Why would Jennifer Grey get anything near Swayze in terms of money?
 

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Dirty Dancing is just a chick flick.

I'm not saying men are missing out, you just made that up. Well done to you on providing the laughs.

I simply pointed out there's far more direct marketing of films to a female audience than there is to a male audience.





Your hot take here shows you've got no idea what you're talking about.

The main star got paid more, well fu** me that's a shock, who'd have thunk it?

Gonna go out on a limb here and say they hired Swayze for the beefcake element as women were horny for him in that era. So no imbalance.

Why would Jennifer Grey get anything near Swayze in terms of money?
And Die Hard is a bloke's flick, the fact you can't see this is because you view your films as for everyone because you see yourself as everyone. Anything outside of that you seem to view as different. That doesn't mean there aren't women that like Die Hard or men that like Dirty Dancing.

Also, the point has sailed over your head. Dirty Dancing is a chick flick, about a chick and yet producers listed the man as the main star and paid him more. Surely a movie for women about women should credit the woman first and foremost? This is all part of the imbalance that is slowly being overhauled.
 

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That's a false narrative though.

If you do some research you'll see there's significantly more movies made to specifically target female audiences than are made with the sole purpose to target male audiences.

So women are represented a hell of a lot, especially in the movies aimed directly at them.

You think Dirty Dancing was aimed at a male audience?

If we looked at audience break downs say between Dirty Dancing and Die Hard I'm sure we'd find a higher % of women watching Die Hard than men watching Dirty Dancing.

Dirty Dancing had a direct target audience, Die Hard would have been made as a general film trying to get everyone in to see it.
Re: the traditional imbalance, its absolutely not a false narrative. Its not about quantity - sure, women were marketed to with certain movies and were represented alot, but how were they represented? In your Dirty Dancing example, she wasn't a damsel in distress but still got 'rescued' to some degree from overbearing parents. Not exactly a 'strong independent woman' type.

Heaps of women are fine with that and enjoy those movies, nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean they like that style exclusively, or that different tastes don't exist - like I said previously, I think its more that studios just realised they were leaving cash on the table by not having over-the-top, powerful representations of women in the same way there traditionally have been for blokes, particularly once the superhero craze kicked off.
 

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Re: the traditional imbalance, its absolutely not a false narrative. Its not about quantity - sure, women were marketed to with certain movies and were represented alot, but how were they represented? In your Dirty Dancing example, she wasn't a damsel in distress but still got 'rescued' to some degree from overbearing parents. Not exactly a 'strong independent woman' type.
So women have to be portrayed as strong independent types for it to count?

Men are portrayed as a vast majority of all super evil characters, that a problem?

Heaps of women are fine with that and enjoy those movies, nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean they like that style exclusively, or that different tastes don't exist - like I said previously, I think its more that studios just realised they were leaving cash on the table by not having over-the-top, powerful representations of women in the same way there traditionally have been for blokes, particularly once the superhero craze kicked off.
Except the over the top representations when it comes to male characters aren't done so as to empower anyone or to make any kind of statement. It's their character that is the focus, not their gender.

Nobody ever went to a Captain America movie and was thinking "oh you go boy, look at you being all male and strong and independent".

That would be some super lame garbage. Just like anything that's pushing a "girl power" angle is super lame garbage.
 

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As long as Bond is an upperclass british alcoholic womanising orphan with a dry sense of humour I don't think it matters who plays the character. Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde was pretty much playing a female Bond for most of the movie.
 

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And Die Hard is a bloke's flick, the fact you can't see this is because you view your films as for everyone because you see yourself as everyone. Anything outside of that you seem to view as different. That doesn't mean there aren't women that like Die Hard or men that like Dirty Dancing.

Also, the point has sailed over your head. Dirty Dancing is a chick flick, about a chick and yet producers listed the man as the main star and paid him more. Surely a movie for women about women should credit the woman first and foremost? This is all part of the imbalance that is slowly being overhauled.
If Die Hard is a bloke's flick then so is Resident Evil. I think it's safe to say Milla Jovovich was the highest paid actor for Resident Evil, but according to you she shouldn't have been because it was a movie for men? Are you suggesting actors should be paid based on their gender? :drunk:
 

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Then there's gender swapping a well established and liked Marvel character for no specific reason other than to push further the "female empowered" line of the film.
Which one was that now? Because Captain Marvel has been a women in the comics for some time and the Jane Foster Thor story is from the comics as well.
 
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