News Leppa and ZOB - Clash of the Titans

[Skoob]

The answer may be out there, but we will probably never find it.

 

[Hysteria25]

...and share a cup of tea and scones with him...FFS

Do you have a job? If so, I suggest you read this: http://workingsafe.com.au/workplace-violence/

 

[Happy_Neale]

I don't get that at all. Maybe it was but how do we know that?
This was at a NEAFL game. There are kids from other clubs in there just for starters, and who knows who else might be invited into the rooms at half time.
Is it so strict at that level that only players and staff are allowed in? You could possibly even see in enough through the doorway. I don't know, I haven't been to the change rooms at Metricon.
I'd suggest that the only thing that is certain, is that nothing is certain.

I wouldn't imagine anyone except Lions people were in the rooms at half time. It was also reported the incident occurred in the 'coaches room', whatever that is. I assume it to be a room away from the main area and away from where other people would be able to see.

Personally I cannot see how it would be from anyone else outside of the club but that is just me. I have reached a level of 'comfortable satisfaction', if you will.

 

[MacMum]

Old people of low intelligence don't like young people who think differently to them.

You know what?.....I'm finding your lack of respect, which has shown through in a couple of your posts, quite off-putting. You are certainly not endearing yourself to me as a result......although I suppose that won't bother you one iota.

While we certainly have had disagreements amongst ourselves, majority of Lions people on BF try to get along...would really be good if you could try to as well.

 

[Kevvo]

Do you have a job? If so, I suggest you read this: http://workingsafe.com.au/workplace-violence/

So far today you've implied that people don't agree with you because:

a. they're old ; and/or
b. they are 'of low intelligence'
c. they may not have a job.

Perhaps see: Dunning-Kruger effect.

 

[Hysteria25]

So far today you've implied that people don't agree with you because:

a. they're old ; and/or
b. they are 'of low intelligence'
c. they may not have a job.

Perhaps see: Dunning-Kruger effect.

I didn't suggest that he doesn't have a job, I suggested that he doesn't have an understanding of Australian law in relation to workplace violence.

 

[Kevvo]

I didn't suggest that he doesn't have a job, I suggested that he doesn't have an understanding of Australian law in relation to workplace violence.

Do you think that the AFLPA would this quiet if there was any indication of a breach of workplace violence laws? They're hardly shy in leaping forward to the public defense of players.

It seems that they either a. don't see this as unusual in the club environment or b. think the severity of the thing is way overstated.

 

[Last of the Roys]

There is probably no great point continuing to debate this issue. But it really does surprise me how many people on here believe that what Leppa did was such a bad thing, and that it was perhaps even assault. Obviously we don't know exactly what happened, but I am taking what the Club, Leppa and O'Brien say at face value.

I am sure a lot of what people think about it is genuine - although I don't agree with that view myself myself. But I also think there seems to be a bit of conflating of the incident and the Club not going well on-field.

While I have some questions about how we are being coached, I really think this incident is being blown out of all proportions.

 

[Hysteria25]

You know what?.....I'm finding your lack of respect, which has shown through in a couple of your posts, quite off-putting. You are certainly not endearing yourself to me as a result......although I suppose that won't bother you one iota.

While we certainly have had disagreements amongst ourselves, majority of Lions people on BF try to get along...would really be good if you could try to as well.

I thought it was disrespectful when you shot me down for referring to Josh Green as 'Fatso Green'. Clearly that was a joke, and a reasonable one considering he is considerably overweight for an elite athlete. I also thought it was disrespectful when you referred to those questioning Leppa's actions as 'a bunch of sooks'. Times have changed and the actions that Leppa was alleged to have committed (alleged, ie the throat grab) are NOT reasonable in 2015.

Clearly we have very different ways of thinking about things, so lets just agree to disagree?

 

[Skoob]

I wouldn't imagine anyone except Lions people were in the rooms at half time. It was also reported the incident occurred in the 'coaches room', whatever that is. I assume it to be a room away from the main area and away from where other people would be able to see.

Personally I cannot see how it would be from anyone else outside of the club but that is just me. I have reached a level of 'comfortable satisfaction', if you will.

A coaches room is usually just a room next to the changeroom, separated by a door. If the door was open, anyone could see in.
As I already stated, there would be kids in there from other clubs (the Lions are flat out fielding one team, it's imposible to field 2 without top ups). It is possible that there could be an invited guest from QAFL, AFL, or any of the top up players' clubs. Could have been a janitor or security worker for all I know. Even a journalist could have been in earshot/eyesight. I don't think anyone is in a position to know that "only Lions staff" were in there.
It was NEAFL, hardly a top secret war room.

 

[Hysteria25]

A coaches room is usually just a room next to the changeroom, separated by a door. If the door was open, anyone could see in.
As I already stated, there would be kids in there from other clubs (the Lions are flat out fielding one team, it's imposible to field 2 without top ups). It is possible that there could be an invited guest from QAFL, AFL, or any of the top up players' clubs. Could have been a janitor or security worker for all I know. Even a journalist could have been in earshot/eyesight. I don't think anyone is in a position to know that "only Lions staff" were in there.
It was NEAFL, hardly a top secret war room.

Skoob, we disagree on alot of stuff, but you're spot on here. There is no merit to the claims that Leppa is being sabotaged by someone from the club at all.

 

[Happy_Neale]

A coaches room is usually just a room next to the changeroom, separated by a door. If the door was open, anyone could see in.
As I already stated, there would be kids in there from other clubs (the Lions are flat out fielding one team, it's imposible to field 2 without top ups). It is possible that there could be an invited guest from QAFL, AFL, or any of the top up players' clubs. Could have been a janitor or security worker for all I know. Even a journalist could have been in earshot/eyesight. I don't think anyone is in a position to know that "only Lions staff" were in there.
It was NEAFL, hardly a top secret war room.

Well I have been in many changerooms before and have never seen anyone in there that wasn't in some way connected to the club. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[cotter101]

Around and around in circles we go...

 

[SizeMatters]

This part;

is a bit hysterical.
Absolutely nothing to suggest it came from "Lions HQ", nor that anyone "wants 'The' Leppa gone".

Not just the story that might have been exaggerated. Some imaginations might also be.

fair enough I agree that I could have used appropriate wording but I still think its a valid hypothesis. I read somewhere that the incident occurred with only two people in the room being Leppa and ZOB. How else was this incident supposed to get out to the media outlets?
Leppa and ZOB had both moved on and the only people that would have been truly in the know would have been Swann, his henchmen, Leppa and ZOB at the time IMO. The leak occurred from within there is now other way it could have got out. I was probably drawing a long bow to suggest the powers of the club wanted Leppa gone though but you never know.

 

[patfullfankezz]

IT'S KEZZAS CONSPIRACY TIME!!!!!

Someone from the cold toast scums (perhaps a janitor or some such personage) overheard the commotion and reported back up their chainof command. It was the scums, wanting to really sink the boot in, who sold the embellished story to the media.

You can't prove me wrong! We all know what those scumbags are like! Kick 'em out of our state!

 

[Skoob]

Well I have been in many changerooms before and have never seen anyone in there that wasn't in some way connected to the club. Agree to disagree I guess.

Now we're getting somewhere.

 

[blynd_freddie]

Old people of low intelligence don't like young people who think differently to them.

I partly agree but would be changing a couple of words but do totally agree with your workplace drum banging - the times are a changing and some 'old folk' might need to re-assess their thinking to the times.

I wasn't there, so I ask people to consider a hypothetical situation.

30 years ago in a land far far away... If a bloke of say 39 years of age being the coach of a group of people ranging from the age of 18 to early 30's grabbed a young kid around 24 years of age, not by neck, let's say by the scruff of the jumper. Gave a couple of stern wards while giving a couple of tugs to jumper in a footy change-room at halftime - not many would bat an eyelid.

Same scenario but lets change a couple of things, let's wind the clock forward to today AND change the gender of the 24 year old to be a female footballer.

Some starting to feel a little different about the actions being right/wrong? I would hope so!

The bottom line is this sort of practice is outdated, shit... back in my time I received clips around the ears, the strap even a cane whipping across the legs. It all belongs in the past, we don't need this type of physical aggression as a form of corrective learning.

Back to the 'media report', IMO both were out of line but with a little bit of luck the situation as being reported by the club will not only be a lesson learned by the two individuals but hopefully 1000's of others have been able to reassess their thinking.

Carry on banging your drum Hysteria25 I'm with you on this one but I've now said my piece and will just leave it here for others to use their intelligence to at least consider.

 

[maroon and blue]

Can't see why all the fuss because Leppa strangled one of his players. If he were in Boston nobody would blink.

 

[Sherrinator]

Do you have a job? If so, I suggest you read this: http://workingsafe.com.au/workplace-violence/

Good username to post reaction ratio btw.

Am impressed.

 

[patfullfankezz]

Same scenario but lets change a couple of things, let's wind the clock forward to today AND change the gender of the 24 year old to be a female footballer.

Some starting to feel a little different about the actions being right/wrong? I would hope so!

Nope, happens to me all the time. I've been physically pulled into the bosses office and told off before (and I was younger than 24!) and I know I damned well deserved what I got.

 

[T Rick]

I thought it was disrespectful when you shot me down for referring to Josh Green as 'Fatso Green'. Clearly that was a joke, and a reasonable one considering he is considerably overweight for an elite athlete. I also thought it was disrespectful when you referred to those questioning Leppa's actions as 'a bunch of sooks'. Times have changed and the actions that Leppa was alleged to have committed (alleged, ie the throat grab) are NOT reasonable in 2015.

Clearly we have very different ways of thinking about things, so lets just agree to disagree?

Hey Hysteria25, since you present yourself as an expert on workplace law, how would you go if you called someone in your workplace by the surname of Green "Fatso Green"...wouldn't that constitute workplace bullying and/or harassment? Bullies always say "that it was only a joke". How would you go if your defence was that your comment was "...a reasonable one considering he is considerably overweight for an elite athlete".
Given that Leppa and ZoB have both publicly moved on, both expressed remorse and AFLPA (the players union) have accepted this why are you being so hysterical and continuing to make serious allegations about a matter for which you do not have one iota of proof.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Swanny this evening.

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[Hysteria25]

Hey Hysteria25, since you present yourself as an expert on workplace law, how would you go if you called someone in your workplace by the surname of Green "Fatso Green"...wouldn't that constitute workplace bullying and/or harassment? Bullies always say "that it was only a joke". How would you go if your defence was that your comment was "...a reasonable one considering he is considerably overweight for an elite athlete".
Given that Leppa and ZoB have both publicly moved on, both expressed remorse and AFLPA (the players union) have accepted this why are you being so hysterical and continuing to make serious allegations about a matter for which you do not have one iota of proof.

How is this at all relevant? Green and I don't work together. Your argument is completely invalid. Stop trying to cause trouble.

 

[James North]

So we're not tackling much this year because we don't want to assault others at the workplace?

Very considerate.

 

[irish]

move on people ! nothing to see here

lets worry about getting this rabble back on track , think that is more important