List Mgmt. Lets Be Aggressive

[partycorolla]

Disagree he was terrible in big games last year
He would attract a first rounder

Actually helped us in the Freo game (2nd time) when he took Crowley away from the middle allowing Cotch to have a free run at it.... Also kicked an important goal and I remember him taking a critical one-on-one intercept mark with Crowley hanging off him in the last (maybe the 3rd) when the flow was starting to go against us. Sometimes playing well is measured in what you do for the team, not for yourself - It's not all about possies and supercoach.

Kicked 3 and virtually won the game off his own boot against Carlton in round 1. First round 1 win against Carlton since 2008.... that'd be a big game.

Was best or second best on ground against Port Adelaide over there in about round 7 or 8. They had only lost 1 game at that point and we were coming off 3 losses with our season having stalled. Big game.

Was best on ground against West Coast after we went over there after our dreamtime debacle as we turned our season around. Even got the Brownlow votes that night too from memory. Was the start of a run where we won 4 straight and 6 out of 7. Considering we started poorly and were interstate, that'd be a big game too.

Played well against the Crows the next week too.... set that game up for us very early and was very solid with 30ish touches. We ended their season that day and ensured ours kept going.... big game

Did ok against the Hawks too in the game that ultimately secured finals for us with 27 touches.... big game

Managed to get Brownlow votes in the game against Carlton that we coughed up in round 20 something.... big game, pity some of his teammates didn't stand up as well as he did or we would have made top 4..... Should I go on?

I will concede though that it was not Brett's best season..... to suggest trading him because he doesn't stand up in big games is just something you've heard someone say in the media or one of your mates has said. it's actually not factually based when you go and do the research. Watching Lids live at games it is amazing just how much work he does. Cotch, Ellis, Lids and JR (most of the time) do so much work it's great to watch. You won't see it on tv as a lot of it is unrewarded gut running both defensively and offensively.... but it's impressive.

 

[partycorolla]

You serious?

I've rebutted mate....using actual evidence.... I'll just say sorry on his behalf!

 

[_RT_]

In the first un compromised draft in four or five years you will need better bait than in your OP to buy into a second round selection. Try working back from who would get a first round selection and you will see then what's needed for a second rounder. 2nd round picks around 25 will probably equate to pick 15 last year.

For example let's take Rance. Would you part with your first round pick for him? If not then he is the sort of player needed to get you a second round selection. If we could get a pick in the 15-25 range for Griff I would be f****n amazed!

Just because supporters don't rate players it doesn't mean that the clubs rate them the same. So we can all sit here and say you're kidding in offering up the players that we all offer up and thinking that we're getting anything of value. If a club has a need for what you're selling and value it higher than what someone else is offering they will pay for it.

You mention Griffiths not being worth a pick in the 15-25 range. Griffiths at seasons end will be a 200cm 104kg forward/ruck with 5 years in the system and would be ready to go round 1. Saints, Lions, Dogs, Carlton even Melbourne could all do with a guy like that on their lists heading into next year. If you get those sides all interested you could easily get a bidding war where their second round pick is what is needed to get him across. They might start off by offering their 3rd round picks, but lets say Carlton jumps in and says we really could use him and yet because they finish above the other 4 sides they need to offer up their second round pick which could be 26. That means to get Griffiths the other sides need to offer up their second round pick suddenly we find ourselves with a pick in the 20-25 range. Now if Fremantle, who have chased KPFs left right and centre with big money deals decide that using their late first round pick and getting Griffiths for 1/3 of the cost it would take to get a top KPF via free agency is worth it we might find ourselves with a pick in that 15-25 range.

The other players mentioned might take a little bit of wheeling and dealing to get into the second round like packaging later picks to get the earlier pick, but if we're going to be aggressive then go and do it, don't just sit there and say well we're only going to offer up kids who aren't worth it.

 

[TigerImposter]

Actually helped us in the Freo game (2nd time) when he took Crowley away from the middle allowing Cotch to have a free run at it.... Also kicked an important goal and I remember him taking a critical one-on-one intercept mark with Crowley hanging off him in the last (maybe the 3rd) when the flow was starting to go against us. Sometimes playing well is measured in what you do for the team, not for yourself - It's not all about possies and supercoach.

Kicked 3 and virtually won the game off his own boot against Carlton in round 1. First round 1 win against Carlton since 2008.... that'd be a big game.

Was best or second best on ground against Port Adelaide over there in about round 7 or 8. They had only lost 1 game at that point and we were coming off 3 losses with our season having stalled. Big game.

Was best on ground against West Coast after we went over there after our dreamtime debacle as we turned our season around. Even got the Brownlow votes that night too from memory. Was the start of a run where we won 4 straight and 6 out of 7. Considering we started poorly and were interstate, that'd be a big game too.

Played well against the Crows the next week too.... set that game up for us very early and was very solid with 30ish touches. We ended their season that day and ensured ours kept going.... big game

Did ok against the Hawks too in the game that ultimately secured finals for us with 27 touches.... big game

Managed to get Brownlow votes in the game against Carlton that we coughed up in round 20 something.... big game, pity some of his teammates didn't stand up as well as he did or we would have made top 4..... Should I go on?

I will concede though that it was not Brett's best season..... to suggest trading him because he doesn't stand up in big games is just something you've heard someone say in the media or one of your mates has said. it's actually not factually based when you go and do the research. Watching Lids live at games it is amazing just how much work he does. Cotch, Ellis, Lids and JR (most of the time) do so much work it's great to watch. You won't see it on tv as a lot of it is unrewarded gut running both defensively and offensively.... but it's impressive.

Crowley took the day off. Go through his bad games. This guy is on serious coin and the best we get from him is some immature clip with Grigg
He was pick 1 not a rookie. ATM Petterd is showing him up especially putting his body on the line for the jumper.
The statement was made in context swapping an A grader for a first rounder and he's the lad IMO

 

[partycorolla]

Crowley took the day off. Go through his bad games. This guy is on serious coin and the best we get from him is some immature clip with Grigg
He was pick 1 not a rookie. ATM Petterd is showing him up especially putting his body on the line for the jumper.
The statement was made in context swapping an A grader for a first rounder and he's the lad IMO

I think if you are judging a player's worth by what the media manager makes him do then you are not a very astute football judge.

I agree he's worth a first rounder but since he has 3 years left on his contract, I'm not sure if you'll get many takers....

If Petterd can be half as effective as Lids with a sore achillies I'll go hee.... wait a minute. You are comparing Petterd to Lids....oh that's whats left of your credibility gone.

Like the fact you said that Lids doesn't peform in big games and when I give you some examples you try to change your statement.... YOU GOT IT WRONG! A simple, oh yeah, fair enough I stuffed up would be fine.... but no, you had to have the last word! How ironic!!

 

[TigerImposter]

I think if you are judging a player's worth by what the media manager makes him do then you are not a very astute football judge.

I agree he's worth a first rounder but since he has 3 years left on his contract, I'm not sure if you'll get many takers....

If Petterd can be half as effective as Lids with a sore achillies I'll go hee.... wait a minute. You are comparing Petterd to Lids....oh that's whats left of your credibility gone.

PC you take life to seriously You need to learn the difference between generalisations analogies and shit stirring I know this year has been difficult but enjoy the rest of the year Supporting the rfc is like riding a 32 year old Harley with a poorly tuned engine on a cow paddock
As RT said what people think is a suitable trade may not be to others tAste It is what other clubs may want
Lets not be narrow minded about it and keep all options and suggestions open

 

[partycorolla]

PC you take life to seriously You need to learn the difference between generalisations analogies and shit stirring I know this year has been difficult but enjoy the rest of the year Supporting the rfc is like riding a 32 year old Harley with a poorly tuned engine on a cow paddock
As RT said what people think is a suitable trade may not be to others tAste It is what other clubs may want
Lets not be narrow minded about it and keep all options and suggestions open

I've been riding this Harley for 34 years now mate, I know what it's all about believe me.

We don't need to be open or narrow-minded at all champ because we don't make the decisions (thank goodness)... My problem with your post was not your assessment of what Lids is worth in terms of a pick but in terms of what you said about Lids as a player. It demonstrates a real lack of awareness of what he does, has done and will do for this team.

Do you go to games live?

Incidentally what you said about Lids going missing isn't an analogy champ.... time to go and look up what an analogy is Go and ask your dad!

 

[Tigerbob]

A team in our position. Trading A graders or potential A graders is a damn stupid move. The talk of trading Deledio is silly. One, he's one of the few A graders we have and secondly, he's on a long ass contract. Stop it. Stop it now.

Does he need to be reinvented though? Maybe. Because of his injury Dimma is playing him differently to before. I think we need to just have him be our half back quarter back type and combine him with another A grader in Rance to solidify our backline.

Do we need to be aggressive in the trade period? Yep, every year. We should be striving to be the best. Right now we are nowhere near a flag, so we gotta move pieces around to be the best.

The trades offered up though are not gonna happen. Not this draft. Griffiths may, may get you a second rounder. The likes of Houli and Grigg won't. Jackson is seen as important only by our club. Other clubs won't give up a second round pick for him.

Aggressive for me would be to clear out all the guys that aren't gonna get us to our Premiership. You know, the likes of Petterd, Grigg, Houli, Thomas and drafting and recruiting better talent and developing it.

This draft in my opinion has a weak top end but has more depth than last year and is nearly uncompromised.

The only players that will get us a first round pick or early second are the ones we cannot afford to lose. Maybe Griffiths if teams are desperate. I'm with RT on this one. Hearing some are.

 

[partycorolla]

A team in our position. Trading A graders or potential A graders is a damn stupid move. The talk of trading Deledio is silly. One, he's one of the few A graders we have and secondly, he's on a long ass contract. Stop it. Stop it now.

Does he need to be reinvented though? Maybe. Because of his injury Dimma is playing him differently to before. I think we need to just have him be our half back quarter back type and combine him with another A grader in Rance to solidify our backline.

Do we need to be aggressive in the trade period? Yep, every year. We should be striving to be the best. Right now we are nowhere near a flag, so we gotta move pieces around to be the best.

The trades offered up though are not gonna happen. Not this draft. Griffiths may, may get you a second rounder. The likes of Houli and Grigg won't. Jackson is seen as important only by our club. Other clubs won't give up a second round pick for him.

Aggressive for me would be to clear out all the guys that aren't gonna get us to our Premiership. You know, the likes of Petterd, Grigg, Houli, Thomas and drafting and recruiting better talent and developing it.

This draft in my opinion has a weak top end but has more depth than last year and is nearly uncompromised.

The only players that will get us a first round pick or early second are the ones we cannot afford to lose. Maybe Griffiths if teams are desperate. I'm with RT on this one. Hearing some are.

He's been playing a different role for the last month or so.... starting predominantly at half-forward working up to half back and through the midfield at times.

I think he is super effective across hbf but we sometimes become too reliant on him being the one to bring the ball out.... I think due to his talent and versatility he will be moved around a fair bit over the rest of his career. He could almost be given a license to go where he thinks he can do the most damage....

Agree with you on the aggressive culling of blokes that won't make it too.... seems like the only sensible option to me.

 

[TigerImposter]

I've been riding this Harley for 34 years now mate, I know what it's all about believe me.

We don't need to be open or narrow-minded at all champ because we don't make the decisions (thank goodness)... My problem with your post was not your assessment of what Lids is worth in terms of a pick but in terms of what you said about Lids as a player. It demonstrates a real lack of awareness of what he does, has done and will do for this team.

Do you go to games live?

What did I say? You've said nasty things to me and other posters , but we put up with you.
You need to realise its a forum and we have differing opinions so get over it or hit ignore buddy
We e had a bad year a d we're peeved as another season goes by, but who cares we come up fesh again next year
Petterd has been great this year IMO and more valuable than Lids
Remember it's my opinion and you can bitxh and moan as much as you like but it's my opinion
Remember to watch the way you respect other posters just bc they think contrary to you
Try and remain open minded and neutral if it makes you angry
Thanks again for your quality time. I bow to you again

 

[partycorolla]

What did I say? You've said nasty things to me and other posters , but we put up with you.
You need to realise its a forum and we have differing opinions so get over it or hit ignore buddy
We e had a bad year a d we're peeved as another season goes by, but who cares we come up fesh again next year
Petterd has been great this year IMO and more valuable than Lids
Remember it's my opinion and you can bitxh and moan as much as you like but it's my opinion
Remember to watch the way you respect other posters just bc they think contrary to you
Try and remain open minded and neutral if it makes you angry
Thanks again for your quality time. I bow to you again

I've been nasty to you? I'm so sorry, if you need a shoulder to cry on I'm sure you can find one somewhere.... in the mean time, idgaf!

I will never bitxh, whatever that is. I actually don't have to respect any other poster or their opinions. Especially when they compare Petts to Lids.... We'll see how valuable they are judged to be at the bnf later this year..... Oh wait, that'll be opinion based too.... by those who watch them day in and day out.

I am able to articulate arguments using evidence whereas you make sweeping statements (and call them analogies as you don't seem to understand what an analogy is) and then get all defensive when someone points out that your 'opinion' is not actually based on anything factual. That's ok, I'm here to help educate people when they lose their way and I don't mind helping you with these matters.

There are many posters on here who I have differing opinions to on a range of issues/players etc but you are the only one who feels hurt by my comments. So perhaps you need to remember that this is a forum and it's only my opinion and I have a right to it. You don't have to take what I write to heart. If you think Petterd is more valuable than Lids, you just go ahead and believe that.... good for you

 

[TigerImposter]

Take a

I've been nasty to you? I'm so sorry, if you need a shoulder to cry on I'm sure you can find one somewhere.... in the mean time, idgaf!

I will never bitxh, whatever that is. I actually don't have to respect any other poster or their opinions. Especially when they compare Petts to Lids.... We'll see how valuable they are judged to be at the bnf later this year..... Oh wait, that'll be opinion based too.... by those who watch them day in and day out.

I am able to articulate arguments using evidence whereas you make sweeping statements (and call them analogies as you don't seem to understand what an analogy is) and then get all defensive when someone points out that your 'opinion' is not actually based on anything factual. That's ok, I'm here to help educate people when they lose their way and I don't mind helping you with these matters.

There are many posters on here who I have differing opinions to on a range of issues/players etc but you are the only one who feels hurt by my comments. So perhaps you need to remember that this is a forum and it's only my opinion and I have a right to it. You don't have to take what I write to heart. If you think Petterd is more valuable than Lids, you just go ahead and believe that.... good for you [/QUOTE
Take a rest junior you've missed the point of the thread and you've just about killed it. What a shame as people were coming up with good suggestions. If you believe we can give up pooh for 3-ply toilet paper as FT said then keep drinking the Shards
I salute you PC as you have proven to me to be loyal noble and committed to the demise of the rfc
Repeat. I'm thinking of ideas for where our club could improve in the future and I think trading IMO a A grader like lids for a first rounder could be a plausible concept

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

 

[theflea]

Not bad.... I'd give Gordon one more crack at it before Grigg (or keep him and trade Grigg if anyone is that dumb)

With trading players are you talking about trading for picks, players or a combination?

Gordo is still contracted and will play next year. He also has a skill set we need ie speed and endurance but has to get the footy more. Keep for me.

 

[Mr Magic]

Senior List Depth Chart

Rucks:

Ivan Maric 200cm 102kg 124 games 28 years old 2016

Shaun Hampson 201cm 104kg 74 games 26 years old 2016

Orren Stephenson 200cm 104kg 15 games 31 years old 2014


KPF:

Jack Riewoldt 195cm 95kg 149 games 25 years old 2016

Tyrone Vickery 200cm 97kg 85 games 24 years old 2016

Ben Griffiths 200cm 104kg 29 games 22 years old 2014

Liam McBean 200cm 90kg 0 games 19 years old 2014


Medium Forwards:

Ben Lennon 190cm 82kg 5 games 19 years old 2015

Brett O’Hanlon 189cm 89kg 9 games 21 years old 2014

Nathan Gordon 188cm 86kg 7 games 24 years old 2015

Aaron Edwards 184m 93kg 94 games 30 years old 2014

Chris Knights 184cm 83kg 101 games 27 years old 2015

Cadeyn Williams 186cm 86kg 0 games 20 years old 2014


Small Forwards:

Shane Edwards 182cm 83kg 144 games 25 years old 2016

Sam Lloyd 182cm 84kg 5 games 24 years old 2015

Matthew McDonough 180cm 84kg 8 games 20 years old 2014

Jake King 178cm 82kg 107 games 30 years old 2014

Todd Banfield 183cm 83kg 53 games 24 years old 2014


KPD:

Alex Rance 194cm 96kg 99 games 24 years old 2015

Troy Chaplin 195cm 99kg 177 games 28 years old 2016

David Astbury 195cm 96kg 37 games 23 years old 2014

Dylan Grimes 193cm 88kg 37 games 23 years old 2015

Todd Elton 197cm 97kg 1 game 21 year old 2014

Ben Darrou 190cm 97kg 0 games 20 year old 2014


Medium Defenders:

Steve Morris 185cm 83kg 57 games 25 years old 2017

Jake Batchelor 188cm 87kg 44 games 22 years old 2014

Matthew Dea 186cm 87kg 31 games 22 years old 2014

Bradley Helbig 185cm 85kg 16 games 22 years old 2014


Small Defenders:

Bachar Houli 180cm 86kg 106 games 26 years old 2016

Chris Newman 183cm 81kg 243 games 32 years old 2014


Inside Midfielders:

Trent Cotchin 185cm 85kg 123 games 24 years old 2015

Anthony Miles 179cm 78kg 15 games 22 years old 2014

Daniel Jackson 188cm 92kg 155 games 28 year old 2015

Matt Thomas 186cm 87kg 97 games 27 years old 2014

Nathan Foley 178cm 79kg 146 games 28 years old 2015

Matt Arnot 180cm 86kg 8 games 20 years old 2014


Hybrid Midfielders:

Brett Deledio 188cm 88kg 206 games 27 years old 2017

Dustin Martin 187cm 89kg 101 games 23 years old 2015

Reece Conca 185cm 83kg 65 games 22 years old 2016

Ricky Petterd 185cm 85kg 76 games 26 years old 2015

Nick Vlastuin 187cm 86kg 30 games 20 years old 2016


Outside Midfielders:

Brandon Ellis 181cm 81kg 57 games 21 years old 2015

Shaun Grigg 190cm 85kg 119 games 26 years old 2015

Kamdyn McIntosh 192cm 87kg 0 games 20 years old 2014


From the above depth list the changes I would be looking at making are:

Delisted:

Chris Newman 183cm 81kg 243 games 32 years old 2014

Aaron Edwards 184m 93kg 94 games 30 years old 2014

Jake King 178cm 82kg 107 games 30 years old 2014

Bradley Helbig 185cm 85kg 16 games 22 years old 2014

Matt Arnot 180cm 86kg 8 games 20 years old 2014

All 5 are delisted as I don’t see any of them getting us anything of value at the trade table. The final 2 spots I have 3 players in contention for, they being Arnot Helbig & O'Hanlon. The thing that saves O'Hanlon is his size and flexibility. At 189cm/89kg he can play as a tall winger or a 3rd tall forward. I realise that Helbig and Arnot can also play multiple positions, but sub 185cm midfielder/flankers are a dime a dozen, tall midfielders/forwards with good foot skills aren't.


Trade Table:

Daniel Jackson 188cm 92kg 155 games 28 year old 2015

Dylan Grimes 193cm 88kg 37 games 23 years old 2015

Ben Griffiths 200cm 104kg 29 games 22 years old 2014

Shaun Grigg 190cm 85kg 119 games 26 years old 2015

Jake Batchelor 188cm 87kg 44 games 22 years old 2014

Matthew Dea 186cm 87kg 31 games 22 years old 2014

Not all of these guys are getting traded, so before everyone loses their minds, lets just get that clear. What I'd be looking at is trading 3 of them if possible.

1. All the whispers at the moment are about Griffiths wanting out, if that is the case then I'd be hoping that a 200cm/104kg KPF who can play some ruck sees a bidding war develop. Saints Lions Dogs Fremantle Carlton are all players with picks in the 15-25 range of the draft and all 5 could do with Griffiths on their lists. So getting a pick in this area for us would be a good return on our initial investment on Griffiths.

2. Jackson/Grigg would be a handy addition for a young side looking for some mature bodies to help their kids develop or a team thinking they are close to a flag. Either one IMO would net us a second round pick from a rebuilding side, while we might be able to snare a late first round pick(might take packaging our 2nd round pick) from a side thinking they are close. Put both on the table and see what comes of it, they might not get anything of real value and we keep them. Some will suggest trying to trade a contracted player out is dangerous as if it doesn't work you get s disgruntled player on your list, I'd hope that both would be smart enough to understand that it's business not personal.

3. Grimes/Batchelor/Dea looking at the roles these 3 are best suited to I think we can afford to trade one of them out in the search for a pick in the second round. I think Grimes is capable of getting a second round pick on his own, while Batchelor/Dea would have to be packaged with a draft pick to get it done. Like Jackson/Grigg above I see them being handy for a rebuilding side or a side thinking they are close to challenging.

Summary:
From this aggressive list management we would free up 5 spots immediately which would then allow us to elevate say Miles & Darrou or Thomas to the senior list. With the trade bait we might be able to get ourselves right into the second round of the draft with 3-4 picks to really go hard at snaring some new kids. This might be a pipe dream but if we worked it right we could end up with picks 7, 17, 21, 27, 34 & 45 in the draft. Adding 6 kids from the top 45 of the draft while losing predominately under performing players would be a decent return from a horror year results wise.

Interesting post but IMO I would make a few re-classifications:

RUCK: Maric, Hampson, TV(forward hybrid), Stephenson, McBean possibly

KPF: JR, Griffths(also ruck hybrid and KPD)

Medium forwards: Lennon, O'hanlon, Gordon , A Edwards

Small forwards: Lloyd, S Edwards, M McDonough, Banfield, King

KPD: Rance, Chaplin, Astbury, Elton

Medium Defenders: Grimes,McIntosh, Batchelor(possibly small)

Small Defenders:Houli,Newman, Dea, Morris, Helbig, Petterd(also small forward)

Inside Mids:Conca, Miles, Foley, Arnott, Thomas,

Hybrid Midfielders: Cotch, Martin, Lids(forward), Jackson,Vlastuin(defense), Knights, C Williams

Outside Mids: Ellis, Grigg


Without going into War and Peace TV's cameo was interesting on the weekend, showed potential as a hybrid, but very little as a KPF yet. For him to win me over he need to take more marks in the forward line particular. Goals from strong marks will please me!

Furthermore the under development of the RFC list is starting to be issue IMO. Things, seem to be stagnating. Something I think need to occur to revitalise the footy dept and if Griffiths goes thats a disgrace and inditement on the footy dept!

If some of the elder statesman do not get turned over footy staff really need to get turned over to provide a reasonable future for RFC.

It is not the match performance that has concerned me this year. It is the perceived player management and list development that really is worrying!

 

[sante]

If we lose Griff, whatever we get won't be enough for what we are losing.

 

[Spluff]

You mention Griffiths not being worth a pick in the 15-25 range. Griffiths at seasons end will be a 200cm 104kg forward/ruck with 5 years in the system and would be ready to go round 1.

That's all well and good but none of those stats you've thrown up mean that he's worth anything. Clubs don't recruit players simply based on their height, weight, and time in the system (well... we may have recruited Hampson for these reasons) - they also need to have shown some sort of ability. You're kidding yourself if you think we're going to get a better pick than we originally spent on a player who has completely failed to come on at all.

 

[TheProwler]

Just because supporters don't rate players it doesn't mean that the clubs rate them the same. So we can all sit here and say you're kidding in offering up the players that we all offer up and thinking that we're getting anything of value. If a club has a need for what you're selling and value it higher than what someone else is offering they will pay for it.

You mention Griffiths not being worth a pick in the 15-25 range. Griffiths at seasons end will be a 200cm 104kg forward/ruck with 5 years in the system and would be ready to go round 1. Saints, Lions, Dogs, Carlton even Melbourne could all do with a guy like that on their lists heading into next year. If you get those sides all interested you could easily get a bidding war where their second round pick is what is needed to get him across. They might start off by offering their 3rd round picks, but lets say Carlton jumps in and says we really could use him and yet because they finish above the other 4 sides they need to offer up their second round pick which could be 26. That means to get Griffiths the other sides need to offer up their second round pick suddenly we find ourselves with a pick in the 20-25 range. Now if Fremantle, who have chased KPFs left right and centre with big money deals decide that using their late first round pick and getting Griffiths for 1/3 of the cost it would take to get a top KPF via free agency is worth it we might find ourselves with a pick in that 15-25 range.

The other players mentioned might take a little bit of wheeling and dealing to get into the second round like packaging later picks to get the earlier pick, but if we're going to be aggressive then go and do it, don't just sit there and say well we're only going to offer up kids who aren't worth it.

Just because supporters don't rate players it doesn't mean that the clubs rate them the same

I recall jaw dropping on our board last year when we drafted Hampson but I and many gave the club a chance. Nope we were right, bloke is a deadset spud. Maybe our recruiters should post who they want on here and we can give them an honest run down for them

As for Griffiths, we need a 200cm 104kg fwd/ruck so why would we trade him in the hope of a second rounder in the first place? If he is not able to do the job what makes you think someone will pay dearly for him?

What if the bidding war doesn't work with Griff? If we do that then we must take the best offer we can get for him be it 3rd or 4th round. The guy has talent way better than this but his confidence will be shot if we dangle him but then decide against it

 

[TheProwler]

Gordo is still contracted and will play next year. He also has a skill set we need ie speed and endurance but has to get the footy more. Keep for me.

Agree he and Lloyd will benefit from this year and a solid preseason. We have all next year to consider if they are of any use.

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Enlighten me as to why we have a boxing coach?????

 

[_RT_]

That's all well and good but none of those stats you've thrown up mean that he's worth anything. Clubs don't recruit players simply based on their height, weight, and time in the system (well... we may have recruited Hampson for these reasons) - they also need to have shown some sort of ability. You're kidding yourself if you think we're going to get a better pick than we originally spent on a player who has completely failed to come on at all.

Griffiths has shown glimpses of what he can do, unfortunately for him and us though, those glimpses aren't often enough to have him secure a spot in our best 22. However at a club like the ones I mentioned where he would be the focal point of a forward line, those glimpses might become more consistent. Like I said it is all about creating/hoping that a bidding war happens.

I recall jaw dropping on our board last year when we drafted Hampson but I and many gave the club a chance. Nope we were right, bloke is a deadset spud. Maybe our recruiters should post who they want on here and we can give them an honest run down for them

As for Griffiths, we need a 200cm 104kg fwd/ruck so why would we trade him in the hope of a second rounder in the first place? If he is not able to do the job what makes you think someone will pay dearly for him?

What if the bidding war doesn't work with Griff? If we do that then we must take the best offer we can get for him be it 3rd or 4th round. The guy has talent way better than this but his confidence will be shot if we dangle him but then decide against it

Interesting idea no doubt that us keyboard warriors know better than what the clubs recruiters/list managers know.

If you look at the depth chart I put up, Griffiths sits 3rd/4th in line for that KPF spot in our side, he also sits 4th/5th in our ruck options. At a rebuilding club like the ones that I mentioned he would be 1st/2nd on their lists given most of those clubs don't have a ready to go option currently on their lists. That is what we'd be hoping creates the bidding war for him. It's not like you're trading a dime a dozen run of the mill midfielder/flanker, you're trading out a KPF/ruck and when you look at what they are worth to teams an early second rounder is around the mark.

When you look at the top end of the draft and what these teams could pick up they have a chance to really shore up their KPP stocks moving forward. Saints & Lions in particular could go out and take McCartin or Durden with their first pick add Griffiths with their second round pick and their KPP stocks are looking a lot better than they currently do. They could even go and pick up Petracca if they rated him the best kid and bolster both their midfields and KPF stocks with their first 2 picks and both players would be able to play from round 1 next year.

 

[partycorolla]

Enlighten me as to why we have a boxing coach?????

So TV can punch on behind the play....

 

[RFC_Official]

If you want to get aggressive with list management, then this is where it starts
Property and Facility Manager Giuseppe Mamone

Bit harsh on Giuseppe.

 

[DustinsGuns]

Retire:
King
Newman

Delist:
A Edwards
Helbig
Arnot
Knight (pay out 3rd year. His body will never be right)
Gordon (pay out 2nd year)
Banfield (r)
Williams (r)

Retain Thomas & Stephenson, promote Miles & Darrou (lack of the KPD depth)

Trade:
Grimes for a top 30 pick (if we can't get top 30, then keep)
Griff for a top 30 pick (if we can't get top 30, then keep)

 

[TigerTime88]

We won't get anything for Griffiths except maybe a 4th rounder.

He has done SFA and at the end of the day will go to Brisbane/Saints/Dogs and could walk via the PSD. The side he chooses will be where he goes.

The rest of our list has no trade value at all bar Brett Deledio, who I wouldn't trade because we wouldn't get reward for.