Let's STAND UP to the deros/junkies/meth heads

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All the action has moved to Victoria St. You always see people passed out on the street, people openly selling gear and passing money around, and always being asked if you "know Jason." Cops are nowhere in sight.
 

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All the action has moved to Victoria St. You always see people passed out on the street, people openly selling gear and passing money around, and always being asked if you "know Jason." Cops are nowhere in sight.
I wonder if the gear from Afghanistan is being sold in Oz now? Does seem to be more and more around. Maybe the drought is over. Which would be shit. No-one wants to go back to those awful ays in the 90s when the Hun used to print a 'heroin toll' next to the 'road toll'.
 

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I've said it for ages and I'll say it again. *Licence to have children*.

Sterilisation at birth where you must APPLY to get it reversed in order to reproduce. It wouldn't be a hard application test. Simple things like - maybe not being addicted to drugs, agreement by both parents to care for the child, perhaps have some savings and *shock* maybe one of the parents having a steady job?!

Can't quite manage those things? - APPLICATION DENIED.

Rip the root right out of the feral human filth cycle.
 

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It happened to me twice tonight at the same tram stop by 2 different groups.

1. I was sitting with my GF whilst being canoodled (sidebar- never let this happen when you're wearing no boxers and basketball shorts without staying on boner watch). So a couple of the local communitarians come roaring out of the local bottle shop hurling abuse at the shokeep. They referred to him as a "white c*nt", "**** loving fagg*t" etc and rerquested he go "**** his Dad" before leaving with a warnning that he "would be finished off later on". Bear in mind, this came from the 'woman' of the couple. The male was altogether worse.

Despite our best attempts at avoiding eye contact, the esteemed gentleman took acquaintance to our seat. Apart from a gruff order to "move the **** along", a slice of the contents in my pizza box was requested. Upon being informed that pizza was not contained in said pizza box, the sinewy male delineated that I had tried to fool him because he is an Indigenous Australian. To the contrary, I revealed the contents of the forementioned pizza box to be nothing more than garlic bread. Some of his compadries arrived and it was humbly requested by the gentleman that my partner and I find alternatove seating arrangements. We were bid adieu with remarks of "white c*nt" and "g*ok bitch".

2. The festivities were not yet over. Now sitting at the far end of the platform we then encountered a man appearing questionably attached to a plastic bag. he must have misplaced some of his organic ginger under his apple and guava juice because he almost had his entire head in the bag. Obviously, the hot weather caused him to breathe quite heavily whilst buried in there. Anyway, once removed, we could see a distinct lack of teeth and some suspicious white material around his mouth. He asked for a cigarette, a growingly frustrated Funky informed the man he did not smoke. "Ya ****ing stupid c*nt. Go get me some then you c*nt" came the aggrieved man's response, drawing a sustained star from Mr Mit Zeit which precipitated a withdrawal of the inebriated patron.

Now let me ask you...WHY DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS SHIT? racial oppression, your daddy touched you in the bath, your mummy didnt give you the superman toy...I dont give a ****. tell your social worker or parole officer. You deros only mouth off like this because you know the rest of us have too much to live for. You clowns are half dead drop kicks who have nothing to live for anyway. Why would would we bother getting stabbed, needle sticked or otherwise inconvenienced by the pitiful dregs of humanity? It's not worth it. The last thing I need is an assault charge for bludgeoning the remaining teeth out of some junkie's head (another sidebar- unless he was comatose, I probably couldnt do this anyway).

But I wish we didnt do this. Instead of trying to look away, lets confront them. It doesnt have to be an all-in, just tell them sternly "Step back, your poverty hasnt bestowed you the right to be abusive whenever your begging goes unrewarded. Move along".

This notion that they can go off their nut at someone whenever they want HAS to be confronted. has anyone been down Smith st Collingwood lately, especially around that 'culturally significant' park bench?

Let's stand up to this crap.






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Not recently Matty but it's been an ongoing problem in that area for years. I remember about 1994 doing a gig at the Rainbow Hotel just off Brunswick St and after setting up the gear and doing a soundcheck in the afternoon I came out to see two dero's belting each other over the head with bottles and abusing drivers and passer by's. I've never had any incidents but I've seen plenty of them and I pity anyone that chooses to live around there.

I have been stopped for money before by a few Aboriginals in Johnston St but I just gave them a couple of bucks and kept walking. I had a medical student with me from Germany who I'd taken out to dinner and I didn't want to cause any scene's. And even if you had've decked this prick, the first thing he would've done is run to his case manager and told them you'd hit him for racial reasons. I don't want to turn this into a racial thing but this is an issue that's getting out of hand.

I understand that it goes both ways, but that's not an excuse to just close our eye's.
 

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It is shit but it hardly a problem that's overrunning the city.

There's been dero blackfellas in the small - really about five sqaure blocks - part of Fitzroy/Collingwood since forever.

Compare it to say The Block in Redfern and get a bit of perspective.

Not defending the behaviour of the thse involved, just saying we need a bit of perspective.

FFS - there's parts of Glasgow that make that area look like Beverly Hills and not a blackfella to be seen.
 

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It is shit but it hardly a problem that's overrunning the city.

There's been dero blackfellas in the small - really about five sqaure blocks - part of Fitzroy/Collingwood since forever.

Compare it to say The Block in Redfern and get a bit of perspective.

Not defending the behaviour of the thse involved, just saying we need a bit of perspective.

FFS - there's parts of Glasgow that make that area look like Beverly Hills and not a blackfella to be seen.
SLF, if they want to dope themselves up and drink themselves stupid, that's fine. It's their life. But get a job and pay for it. I don't see why I should have to finance them killing themselves.
 

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It happened down St Kilda, just near the IGA.
As soon as I started reading I thought, St Kilda ! The problem is that nothing can be done because of the civil libertarians and the other minorities who will scream racism or prejudice at the drop of a hat. You still hear of these sorts going up in front of the magi with 65 prior convictions and they are let off with a fine and some community service, which they never do anyway. And if one of these scumbags attakcs you and you give them what for, you get locked up! Justice is a joke sometimes. Back in the day when the police used to be able to give a moron a quick whoopin' and then onya bike it seemed to work better than what happens these days.

I reckon nearly evey house burglary these days ends up the arm of a junkie as well.
 

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SLF, if they want to dope themselves up and drink themselves stupid, that's fine. It's their life. But get a job and pay for it. I don't see why I should have to finance them killing themselves.
In principle I agree. he reality tends to be a bit more complex mate.

I suppose what I'm saying is that a city comprable to ours in size, make up etc like Toronto has a far, far worse problem with junkies/street people and begging/street crime than we do.
 

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All the action has moved to Victoria St. You always see people passed out on the street, people openly selling gear and passing money around, and always being asked if you "know Jason." Cops are nowhere in sight.
Cops are only interested in finding the suppliers at the top to try and stop it coming in but it will always come in. The problem is they are under resourced and every time they arrest a junkie and send him/her to court they have to do a mountain of paperwork and spend a heap of time only to see the junkie get a slap on the wrist and walk free, vowing to never take drugs again. They then arrest them the next week becuase they broke their vow, and they get another slap on the wrist. It's not worth the cops time picking up junkies and low level street scum dealers.

I think we need a vigilante group run by Chuck Norris !
 

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As soon as I started reading I thought, St Kilda ! The problem is that nothing can be done because of the civil libertarians and the other minorities who will scream racism or prejudice at the drop of a hat. You still hear of these sorts going up in front of the magi with 65 prior convictions and they are let off with a fine and some community service, which they never do anyway. .
And putting them in jail just costs us tens of thousands a year and does nothing to treat their underlying probelms either.

Its a difficult complex issue.
 

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And putting them in jail just costs us tens of thousands a year and does nothing to treat their underlying probelms either.

Its a difficult complex issue.
Very true...and not putting them in jail has a social cost and also the medical costs involved with handing out meth and the poor old ambo's having to pick them up when they O/D. I think we should set up an island somewhere and ship all the junkies over to play survivor amonst themselves. They actually might enjoy the challenges.
 

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Cops are only interested in finding the suppliers at the top to try and stop it coming in but it will always come in.
Or so they can get in on the action. Believe me, the Victoria Police and their corruption are held in contempt by other police forces worldwide. The Feds are better but still dirtier than most.

The problem is they are under resourced and every time they arrest a junkie and send him/her to court they have to do a mountain of paperwork and spend a heap of time only to see the junkie get a slap on the wrist and walk free, vowing to never take drugs again. They then arrest them the next week becuase they broke their vow, and they get another slap on the wrist. It's not worth the cops time picking up junkies and low level street scum dealers.
Yep, true.

I think we need a vigilante group run by Chuck Norris !
So then instead of being concerned about junkies asking us for 2 bucks we'd be scared of gun toting knobend vigilantes shooting us?
 

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In principle I agree. he reality tends to be a bit more complex mate.
But is it really? I mean if you really want to get a job you will. Even if it's sweeping streets who gives a shit? It's still a job, it's still money in your pocket. The problem is we've spoonfed people for too long and they've gotten used to it. And this is not just the indigenous folk, it's the whole box and dice.
I suppose what I'm saying is that a city comprable to ours in size, make up etc like Toronto has a far, far worse problem with junkies/street people and begging/street crime than we do.
It's even worse in Los Angeles, but do we really want to go down that path?

My biggest beef about the whole thing is {now we're getting to the root of my dissatisfaction) I have enough trouble financing my own drinking habits, I really can't afford to finance others. :)
 

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Cops are only interested in finding the suppliers at the top to try and stop it coming in but it will always come in. The problem is they are under resourced and every time they arrest a junkie and send him/her to court they have to do a mountain of paperwork and spend a heap of time only to see the junkie get a slap on the wrist and walk free, vowing to never take drugs again. They then arrest them the next week becuase they broke their vow, and they get another slap on the wrist. It's not worth the cops time picking up junkies and low level street scum dealers.

I think we need a vigilante group run by Chuck Norris !
I hear what you're saying. Things have really gone downhill on Victoria St in a hurry though, to the point where MY MUM can actually see people dealing drugs there, and she wouldn't even know what drugs really looked like if they hit her in the face.
 

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But is it really? I mean if you really want to get a job you will. Even if it's sweeping streets who gives a shit? It's still a job, it's still money in your pocket. The problem is we've spoonfed people for too long and they've gotten used to it. And this is not just the indigenous folk, it's the whole box and dice.
For my sins I've actually learnt a whole lot about this kind of stuff in my work over here.

These people come from families where unemployment is multi generational. They lierally don't know how to get work and even if they are given jobs can't hold them down.

The science that's coming out shows us that the skills you need to hold down any sort of employment - even street sweeping - in our modern economy are actually ingrained in the very early years, even in the womb - empathy, the ability to communicate on equal terms.

I'm not defending the behaviour of these people, I'm just saying that the solutions to the problem will take decades and billions of dollars.

When I think about these kind of men, which they usually are, I'm always reminded of the line in Billy Bragg's song Levi Stubbs Tears:

He was the kind of man a war used to take away
But there wasn't a war
Though he left anyway

Family breakdown, social dislocation, all these things are part of it. In the older days, regular wars saw these types swept into armies. That doesn't happen any more,
so we have to find other ways of dealing with them and jst saying they should get a job, or we should have Chuck Norris style vigilantes just isn't enough.
 

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My biggest beef about the whole thing is {now we're getting to the root of my dissatisfaction) I have enough trouble financing my own drinking habits, I really can't afford to finance others. :)
Mate, I agree. Wholeheartedly. But just locking them up actually costs us far more than simply paying them the dole.

Its a tough one. If I had the answers, I'd be the new Obama.
 

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For my sins I've actually learnt a whole lot about this kind of stuff in my work over here.

These people come from families where unemployment is multi generational. They lierally don't know how to get work and even if they are given jobs can't hold them down.

The science that's coming out shows us that the skills you need to hold down any sort of employment - even street sweeping - in our modern economy are actually ingrained in the very early years, even in the womb - empathy, the ability to communicate on equal terms.

I'm not defending the behaviour of these people, I'm just saying that the solutions to the problem will take decades and billions of dollars.

When I think about these kind of men, which they usually are, I'm always reminded of the line in Billy Bragg's song Levi Stubbs Tears:

He was the kind of man a war used to take away
But there wasn't a war
Though he left anyway

Family breakdown, social dislocation, all these things are part of it. In the older days, regular wars saw these types swept into armies. That doesn't happen any more,
so we have to find other ways of dealing with them and jst saying they should get a job, or we should have Chuck Norris style vigilantes



I was actually all for that until I heard this;

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These people come from families where unemployment is multi generational....In the older days, regular wars saw these types swept into armies... the solutions to the problem will take decades and billions of dollars...
So we either need a war or billions and billions of dollars to fix it?

-> sterilisation + child licence!! :thumbsu:

Also, any baby bonus or cash payment should be in the form of a tax deduction.
 

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I hear what you're saying. Things have really gone downhill on Victoria St in a hurry though, to the point where MY MUM can actually see people dealing drugs there, and she wouldn't even know what drugs really looked like if they hit her in the face.
What if the drugs were shaped like a giant penis?

:)
 

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Then she would think it was a giant penis.
But if she is familiar with a giant penis when its shoved in her face, and unfamiliar with drugs when they are shoved in her face, then doesn't it stand to reason that if some savvy dealer shaped the drugs like a giant penis then she would soon recognise them as drugs, due to a pre-existing level of familiarity with both what a penis looks like, and what a drug dealer looks like. Similar to how an gorilla will associate a banana with the zoo keeper.

To clarify, I'm not calling your mother a gorilla, just that she would possess gorilla like deductions that if a drug dealer smacked her in the face with a giant penis, then it would be somewhat logical to associate the giant penis with drugs.... and from that point on, the association between drugs, the giant penis and the drug dealer would be continued.

*cough* :D:D
 

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But if she is familiar with a giant penis when its shoved in her face, and unfamiliar with drugs when they are shoved in her face, then doesn't it stand to reason that if some savvy dealer shaped the drugs like a giant penis then she would soon recognise them as drugs, due to a pre-existing level of familiarity with both what a penis looks like, and what a drug dealer looks like. Similar to how an gorilla will associate a banana with the zoo keeper.

To clarify, I'm not calling your mother a gorilla, just that she would possess gorilla like deductions that if a drug dealer smacked her in the face with a giant penis, then it would be somewhat logical to associate the giant penis with drugs.... and from that point on, the association between drugs, the giant penis and the drug dealer would be continued.

*cough* :D:D
Wow. I didn't expect my slightly off-the-cuff comment about my mother's naivety about drugs to result in a philosophical discussion about learned animal behavioural patterns.

What if I had said Blind Freddy could see the drug dealers in action in Victoria St? I await with bated breath your next move....
 
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