Let's talk Ports! Part 3

[TeeKray]

Hardwick also has the greatest player of his generation in Dusty in his team and a proven Coleman medallist. Its not as simple as him coaching at Port = guaranteed flags.

What the f*** even is this discussion? Hardwick is a hard nosed, intelligent, ruthless operator who has been involved in premierships as a player and coach at multiple clubs (Essendon & Port as a player, Hawthorn and Richmond as a coach). He's a born winner. Hinkley is a mediocre country bumpkin who had a mediocre bridesmaid playing career and has had a mediocre bridesmaid coaching career. It's chalk and cheese.

 

[backtozero]

What the f*** even is this discussion? Hardwick is a hard nosed, intelligent, ruthless operator who has been involved in premierships as a player and coach at multiple clubs (Essendon & Port as a player, Hawthorn and Richmond as a coach). He's a born winner. Hinkley is a mediocre country bumpkin who had a mediocre bridesmaid playing career and has had a mediocre bridesmaid coaching career. It's chalk and cheese.

*in hell. If you think he's easily winning those premierships at any club he chooses to go to then your outlook is cooked. A premiership team is the sum of its parts and that includes a ******* multiple Norm Smith medallist. Try to look at the big picture.

 

[TeeKray]

fu**in hell. If you think he's easily winning those premierships at any club he chooses to go to then your outlook is cooked. A premiership team is the sum of its parts and that includes a ******* multiple Norm Smith medallist. Try to look at the big picture.

I never said he's definitely winning a premiership at Port but he's a much better coach than Hinkley and therefore would've given us a much better chance of having won a premiership than Hinkley. There's really nothing more to it than that.

 

[backtozero]

I never said he's definitely winning a premiership at Port but he's a much better coach than Hinkley and therefore would've given us a much better chance of having won a premiership than Hinkley. There's really nothing more to it than that.

So why are you quoting me then? You just had an argument against a point I never made.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Hardwick also has the greatest player of his generation in Dusty in his team and a proven Coleman medallist. Its not as simple as him coaching at Port = guaranteed flags.

True, but would Hardwick have done something more than play Sam Gray and Jack Neade deep and then just bomb it to Charlie, post 2016 at Port.

 

[JimmyBC]

Hardwick is a damn good coach these sliding doors things are difficult though, had he become the successor to Choco he would've been faced with the shitshow bones of our ass situation Primus had who knows if he'd have been afforded the time to find himself as a coach ala Richmond.

 

[backtozero]

True, but would Hardwick have done something more than play Sam Gray and Jack Neade deep and then just bomb it to Charlie, post 2016 at Port.

There's no doubt that Hinkley has had some s**t ******* set ups over the last few years and the one you mentioned stands out like no other.
That said, is anyone seriously going to claim they'd prefer Dixon/Neade/S. Gray over Riewoldt/Rioli/Castagna?

 

[Hammer#8]

That approach is simply wrong I feel. Amazon is not only successful because Jeff Bezos is there, 100s of other workers and factors make up it's success or failure.

Hardwick arriving at Port wouldn't have resulted in a dynasty.

 

[Relativity]

That approach is simply wrong I feel. Amazon is not only successful because Jeff Bezos is there, 100s of other workers and factors make up it's success or failure.

Hardwick arriving at Port wouldn't have resulted in a dynasty.

Who employed the 100's of workers?

 

[NoddyHolder]

Who employed the 100's of workers?

HR

 

[Hammer#8]

Who employed the 100's of workers?

This ain't the Ken Hinkley Football Club, even though it feels like Ken has become bigger than the club.

 

[Relativity]

HR

Who employs HR?

 

[NoddyHolder]

Who employs HR?

HR

 

[Relativity]

This ain't the Ken Hinkley Football Club, even though it feels like Ken has become bigger than the club.

Yeah I'm not suggesting he is. Failure and success always roost with the top person or persons. On a playing level that is Ken/Hardwick. How do you judge performance if not by results? Blame someone else?

 

[Hammer#8]

Yeah I'm not suggesting he is. Failure and success always roost with the top person or persons. On a playing level that is Ken/Hardwick. How do you judge performance if not by results? Blame someone else?

Koch and KT extended his contract a year BEFORE it was set to end. Twice.

Hardwick was hanging by a thread at the end of 2016. They just nailed the trade period and were unstoppable at the MCG. Sometimes circumstances change around you which cause a turnaround.

 

[Relativity]

Koch and KT extended his contract a year BEFORE it was set to end. Twice.

Hardwick was hanging by a thread at the end of 2016. They just nailed the trade period and were unstoppable at the MCG. Sometimes circumstances change around you which cause a turnaround.

Agree. But how do you judge a career coach if not by their success and if someone is ultimately successful can you really discount their repeated success because of circumstances? That would include every premiership coach in history.

 

[_VXV]

If anything the Hardwick example makes clubs hang onto loser coaches ‘cause “look what happened at richmond”.

 

[It Just Is]

True, but would Hardwick have done something more than play Sam Gray and Jack Neade deep and then just bomb it to Charlie, post 2016 at Port.

Ironically that was a key part of Hardwick’s 2017 game plan with Riewoldt and a mosquito fleet of tackling smalls.

They did it better but also had a generational talent in Dusty at a time much of the competition was depleted from the concessions given to Gold Coast and GWS. Winning 3 premierships isn’t luck but they timed their run perfectly.

2021 is the first year we are seeing sides challenging that are driven by players drafted post expansion. Wines at Port, Petracca and Oliver and Melbourne, Bont and Macrae at the Dogs.

 

[Hammer#8]

Agree. But how do you judge a career coach if not by their success and if someone is ultimately successful can you really discount their repeated success because of circumstances? That would include every premiership coach in history.

There are 18 senior coach positions in the AFL, to get appointed in this position requires mastery of a line position that is credited to your influence alone. Second to that is a assistant coaching that demonstrates you can understand and co-ordinate a successful game plan if given the opportunity. Succession plans assume that the coach in waiting can absorb all the knowledge base of the departing coach in time for when they take over.

Other than that there are some wiser heads emerging these days which demonstrate they have an organisational, top-down proficiency at knowing who's best at which job. That's why Noble and Fagan were appointed, they've been in the environment for so long their experience alone gets them an in.

It's likely that Hardwick argued a case that improvement was needed in select areas at the end of 2016. He in turn may have been self-critical of his own performance. The board may have embraced that change and felt his argument was convincing enough. It certainly worked and the change of coaching roles showed a marked improvement.

Our reappointment of Hinkley seems intertwined with fear, in that our results will languish once he's gone or that no-one out there is better. The coaching department may not comfortable with a new senior coach so back in Hinkley because he know he has their back. Many other reasons than this however.

What is apparent is that after a certain time you need to freshen up the coaching or otherwise it gets stale. It otherwise leads to performances that either stagnate or fail to follow an upward trajectory.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

 

[Relativity]

There are 18 senior coach positions in the AFL, to get appointed in this position requires mastery of a line position that is credited to your influence alone. Second to that is a assistant coaching that demonstrates you can understand and co-ordinate a successful game plan if given the opportunity. Succession plans assume that the coach in waiting can absorb all the knowledge base of the departing coach in time for when they take over.

Other than that there are some wiser heads emerging these days which demonstrate they have an organisational, top-down proficiency at knowing who's best at which job. That's why Noble and Fagan were appointed, they've been in the environment for so long their experience alone gets them an in.

It's likely that Hardwick argued a case that improvement was needed in select areas at the end of 2016. He in turn may have been self-critical of his own performance. The board may have embraced that change and felt his argument was convincing enough. It certainly worked and the change of coaching roles showed a marked improvement.

Our reappointment of Hinkley seems intertwined with fear, in that our results will languish once he's gone or that no-one out there is better. The coaching department may not comfortable with a new senior coach so back in Hinkley because he know he has their back. Many other reasons than this however.

What is apparent is that after a certain time you need to freshen up the coaching or otherwise it gets stale. It otherwise leads to performances that either stagnate or fail to follow an upward trajectory.

I just think if our coaching position was declared vacant and Hardwick, Clarkson, Neil Craig and Hinkley were the only 4 applicants you'd only be inviting Hardwick and Clarkson to the interview based on their ability to achieve repeated success. And if you weren't choosing between those 2 then you should be declaring the board vacant.

 

[edgie]

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[edgie]

Who was a big mentor to Dusty as well leading up to his breakout?

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[OneGreatClub]

There’s the problem

 

[GremioPower]

There’s the problem

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