Let's talk real 'conditioning'...

[deliberate!!]

Ok..
Here's a little exercise going forward....

Remember that photo of our new young clubs together?
Take note of their bodies...yeh they are young guys....that's not my point..
Even better, wait till you actually see them run around next season for the first time.

Now go look for the new recruits of West Coast, Freo, & let's throw in Port as well.

Hang on to the memories of the body types and state of musculature of all those young players. (nothing special at the moment of course)

Ok....if we go forward 2 seasons.....(or mark this down for the next 2 seasons)

Now...
I bet anyone, that in 2 seasons, the Weagles, Freo and Port guys will be bigger and better, and their bodies will be in better physical condition then our guys...
Why?
This is a serious question, it has happened at Richmond since the 80's and continues to happen...

And I don't think bringing up isolated examples hold much water, like...
"Oh....Johnny Annear was well built"

I'd like to hear something intelligent feedback on this

(And if you are going to come out as a tw@t with all guns blazing with abuse......FU in advance........then come up with something original)

Cheers

 

[blxx]

LMAO at the your little ''Let me abuse the fuq outta the club but no-ones allowed to abuse me back'' disclaimer.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

[deliberate!!]

LMAO at the your little ''Let me abuse the fuq outta the club but no-ones allowed to abuse me back'' disclaimer.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I wasn't abusing the club......I was questioning why we did and still do have 'sticks figures' playing Senior AFL...

U got ur crack in......happy?
Now clean the mess up u made!
*blxx looks down his leg *

 

[deliberate!!]

LMAO at the your little ''Let me abuse the fuq outta the club but no-ones allowed to abuse me back'' disclaimer.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

So don't tell me you don't look at other clubs while they are playing and say, shees, look at the builds on all that team...

was it magic?
it can't be 'roids'?
so how'd they do it?
hmmmmm

 

[PLSC]

i agree mate west coast and sydney are so far ahead of the competition its not funny and its because all their players are solid as ********

look at the bulldogs they got smashed against the eagles and just shows how far they are still off

still a long way to go for us

 

[deliberate!!]

i agree mate west coast and sydney are so far ahead of the competition its not funny and its because all their players are solid as ********

look at the bulldogs they got smashed against the eagles and just shows how far they are still off

still a long way to go for us

On the money PLSC.......you see nearly every dude in the Weagles and they have upper body muscles and strengths........Now don't tell me there is not someone the same age as Schulze there at the Weagles...

So why the heck......are the Weagles guys bigger & stronger than our guys....
And Schulze gets pushed out of packs...
(someone of course will bring up his screamer, but that didn't have much to do with upper physical body work)

And aren't we at RFC trying to be, or keep up with the best teams?

Cheers

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

Sorry to jump in, was actually going to post something similar on the main board about the change in Hawks over last three years compared to Schwab.

A poster on another board produced some stats on average weight gain in players 1st and 2nd seasons at some differnt clubs.

1st in weight gain were Eagles at +8kg
2nd ?? at 6kg (sydney?)

Huge group (about 10 clubs) at 4-5kg

Richmond, Hawthorn, and Bulldogs? at 3kg

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

that's from 2-3 years ago.

Last year we averaged 6kg so in the right direction (of course all talls helps too).

 

[deliberate!!]

Sorry to jump in, was actually going to post something similar on the main board about the change in Hawks over last three years compared to Schwab.

A poster on another board produced some stats on average weight gain in players 1st and 2nd seasons at some differnt clubs.

1st in weight gain were Eagles at +8kg
2nd ?? at 6kg (sydney?)

Huge group (about 10 clubs) at 4-5kg

Richmond, Hawthorn, and Bulldogs? at 3kg

Thanks Simon.....quality work.....much appreciated
Cheers

 

[wart101]

Ok..
Here's a little exercise going forward....

Remember that photo of our new young clubs together?
Take note of their bodies...yeh they are young guys....that's not my point..
Even better, wait till you actually see them run around next season for the first time.

Now go look for the new recruits of West Coast, Freo, & let's throw in Port as well.

Hang on to the memories of the body types and state of musculature of all those young players. (nothing special at the moment of course)

Ok....if we go forward 2 seasons.....(or mark this down for the next 2 seasons)

Now...
I bet anyone, that in 2 seasons, the Weagles, Freo and Port guys will be bigger and better, and their bodies will be in better physical condition then our guys...
Why?
This is a serious question, it has happened at Richmond since the 80's and continues to happen...

And I don't think bringing up isolated examples hold much water, like...
"Oh....Johnny Annear was well built"

I'd like to hear something intelligent feedback on this

(And if you are going to come out as a tw@t with all guns blazing with abuse......FU in advance........then come up with something original)

Cheers

LOL, i can appreciate what you are trying to say deliberate but this may have happened in the past but since terry, alot of things are begining to change including development, richmond if they haven't already are getting new facilities and equipment for fitness development which will enable players to better condition there bodies, you know, with people willing to change things at the clubs all these hidden problems get fixed as well, like the general attitude at the club, i thought last year was there most confident year in a long time and next year will be even better but this wouldn't have happened if these changes wern't being made and as for building the young ones, it's like what polak has been quoted saying on some of these threads "i can't believe how hard you guys train", i think we will be alright and those youngsters will be too, look at bling, he's going to be pretty big next year.

 

[wart101]

On the money PLSC.......you see nearly every dude in the Weagles and they have upper body muscles and strengths........Now don't tell me there is not someone the same age as Schulze there at the Weagles...

So why the heck......are the Weagles guys bigger & stronger than our guys....
And Schulze gets pushed out of packs...
(someone of course will bring up his screamer, but that didn't have much to do with upper physical body work)

And aren't we at RFC trying to be, or keep up with the best teams?

Cheers

But they are thats the whole purpose of redeveloping the cluB! so we can keep up with the interstate teams, being sydney, west coast and adelaide, yes they do have better facilities think about what kane said he thought about richmond when he first arrived, all i'm saying is you are right but it's not going to stay like that for long.

 

[wart101]

So don't tell me you don't look at other clubs while they are playing and say, shees, look at the builds on all that team...

was it magic?
it can't be 'roids'?
so how'd they do it?
hmmmmm

more money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[deliberate!!]

But they are thats the whole purpose of redeveloping the cluB! so we can keep up with the interstate teams, being sydney, west coast and adelaide, yes they do have better facilities think about what kane said he thought about richmond when he first arrived, all i'm saying is you are right but it's not going to stay like that for long.

We've been redeveloping the club since 1982 !

Just one pre-season cup, I'd like to look out our players and say,
shees a lot of them have put on some size.....maybe we can stand our ground against the stronger, harder teams....

For 20 years we have been having 'the hardest pre-season ever'...

LOL

 

[Drunken Wookie]

since wallace took over the fitness staff appear to be doing a much better job at building our young guys up (refer to training pics of lids, foley, tambling).
I think alot of it has to do with how comitted the players are, there wouldn't be trainers on them individually all the time making them do weights, to a fair degree it's up to the player to do the hard work in the gym.
players like krakouer and schulz need to get their attitiudes right and start wanting to get stronger/fitter and not just relying on their talent to keep their place. maybe in the past it has had to do with the poor club culture? both seem to be turning round in the wallace era.

 

[Rocket00]

Interesting thread ... I wonder if anyone has completed a comparison (height, weight and age) across all the AFL lists?

 

[PLSC]

cogs is the only one who would fit into the eagles midfield and he wouldnt look out of place, when he plays for us he is just so far above the rest is conditioning its not funny

 

[deliberate!!]

cogs is the only one who would fit into the eagles midfield and he wouldnt look out of place, when he plays for us he is just so far above the rest is conditioning its not funny

Yeh PLSC....he did a lot of work on himself, quickly......I can remember him down at a Family Day early on.......and he was light on.....then he topped up...

it can be done...

 

[True Thylacine]

Its a valid point for sure but I think its directly related to where we are. Hate to drag out TW's premiership clock and formula for success by age mix but its directly relational to size and strength. The sides who are at about the same point in that cycle as us also are the ones with younger under developed bodies. As our mix moves more toward lots of players in the 22-28yo so will our average body mass.

The problem with all that of course is that it also needs to accompanied by appropriate skills and ability or we wont care about muscles. Our recent history is littered by coaching panels that failed to pro-actively promote both well. Pro actively being the operative word as there have been individual players that have achieved in spite of that.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

I dont think we have a weights room to be honest !!!!

 

[deliberate!!]

I dont think we have a weights room to be honest !!!!

lol...yes we do....and we have free weights as well...we have a couple of old wet socks that have dried up, and we use them...

 

[jezza]

It's also about the types of players we draft. The Eagles go for guys like Hurn and Waters that are physically mature, we go for guys like JON and Meyer that need 3 seasons in the gym.

 

[blxx]

I wasn't abusing the club......I was questioning why we did and still do have 'sticks figures' playing Senior AFL...

U got ur crack in......happy?
Now clean the mess up u made!
*blxx looks down his leg *

wow that oozes class way beyond my measly returns

 

[deliberate!!]

wow that oozes class way beyond my measly returns

 

[cairo tiger]

I treated this post with some value until i read you last few words....look mate if you want to take your substance seriously refrain from the expletives. re the substance of your argument we ahve got much more professional since wallace took over. this has permeated into the conditioning sphere. end of story

 

[deliberate!!]

I treated this post with some value until i read you last few words....look mate if you want to take your substance seriously refrain from the expletives. re the substance of your argument we ahve got much more professional since wallace took over. this has permeated into the conditioning sphere. end of story