Vic Lidia Thorpe: Not the subject for every thread!

[Gethelred]

Seeing as Lidia discussion is cropping up across multiple threads, let's have us a thread for people who want to discuss her contribution to Australian politics.

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[HairyO]

And Lydia Thorpe would be PM.

Probably cheered her on when she used Parliamentary Privilege to accuse another Senator of sexually assaulting her, then later on took it back.

Surely the Senate has to sanction her - though for her supporters that will just be proof that she is a champion fighting against the system, rather than a moron flog who clearly is out of her depth and has no actual idea what she is doing.

 

[Gough]

Probably cheered her on when she used Parliamentary Privilege to accuse another Senator of sexually assaulting her, then later on took it back.

Surely the Senate has to sanction her - though for her supporters that will just be proof that she is a champion fighting against the system, rather than a moron flog who clearly is out of her depth and has no actual idea what she is doing.

It's not a huge leap of faith to imagine that a member of most corrupt, immoral and dishonest government in our history might be capable of this. We'll have to see what emerges.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Probably cheered her on when she used Parliamentary Privilege to accuse another Senator of sexually assaulting her, then later on took it back.

She had to withdraw due to standing orders. It's not that she's admitting the allegation was false, it's that the Senate floor isn't the right place to make such an allegation.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Probably cheered her on when she used Parliamentary Privilege to accuse another Senator of sexually assaulting her, then later on took it back.

Surely the Senate has to sanction her - though for her supporters that will just be proof that she is a champion fighting against the system, rather than a moron flog who clearly is out of her depth and has no actual idea what she is doing.

Yeah it’s not like conservative men have a history of sexually assaulting women. Or wanking on desks, or alleged rapes in ministers office etc.

It’s certainly not weird how some people immediately jump to their defence.

 

[HairyO]

Yeah it’s not like conservative men have a history of sexually assaulting women. Or wanking on desks, or alleged rapes in ministers office etc.

It’s certainly not weird how some people immediately jump to their defence.

So he probably did it because he is a conservative? Have you seen how many kiddie fiddlers have been on the Left side of politics?

She had to withdraw due to standing orders. It's not that she's admitting the allegation was false, it's that the Senate floor isn't the right place to make such an allegation.

If she has proof she can provide it to the Senate and then he will be sanctioned, or even the Police get involved. If she has no proof and is simply a flog who shoots her mouth off then she should be sanctioned. There arent much more serious accusations that can be made against someone.

It's not a huge leap of faith to imagine that a member of most corrupt, immoral and dishonest government in our history might be capable of this. We'll have to see what emerges.

Its not a huge leap of faith to imagine that someone who is continuously saying stupid things and doing stupid things doubled down on the stupid and made a disgusting accusation.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So he probably did it because he is a conservative? Have you seen how many kiddie fiddlers have been on the Left side of politics?

Milton Orkopoulos, take a bow.

Yes, sadly both “sides” of politics are far from pure.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So he probably did it because he is a conservative? Have you seen how many kiddie fiddlers have been on the Left side of politics?

Most of the kiddie fiddlers seem to be religious conservatives. They even had a royal commission looking into it.

Regardless, Lydia is not a kiddie.

 

[HairyO]

Milton Orkopoulos, take a bow.

Yes, sadly both “sides” of politics are far from pure.

There have been many. Bob Collins caught wind that he was going to be charged, tried to commit suicide, was allowed out of hospital and bailed then successfully killed himself.

The idea that one side is angellic and the other side is the devil is ridiculous.

The white knighters defending Thorpe in here are literally a carbon copy of the MAGA mob defending Trump.

Most of the kiddie fiddlers seem to be religious conservatives. They even had a royal commission looking into it.

Regardless, Lydia is not a kiddie.

List of Australian politicians convicted of crimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Plenty of sex criminals on the Left there.

Also yes, she isnt a kiddie, in theory she is meant to be an adult, but seems to struggle with it. A lot. "Child having tantrum" is the best way to describe her, while you lot lap it up. No different to Brian Harradine supporters with the level of moronic zealotry.

 

[Chief]

The idea that one side is angellic and the other side is the devil is ridiculous.

Do you see how nobody said that? Except you?

 

[HairyO]

Do you see how nobody said that? Except you?

You dont really read the thread then eh? I literally responded to someone saying that because he is a conservative he probably did it. And another saying that most perpetrators are religious conservatives.

I put up a list of grubs from both sides. And there are a huge number of them. And that is just the ones who were charged. Im sure far more never got charged.

But this is Lidia's chance. She can come out with her evidence of sexual assault in the Senate, then step outside Parliament and repeat it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

There have been many. Bob Collins caught wind that he was going to be charged, tried to commit suicide, was allowed out of hospital and bailed then successfully killed himself.

The idea that one side is angellic and the other side is the devil is ridiculous.

The white knighters defending Thorpe in here are literally a carbon copy of the MAGA mob defending Trump.

List of Australian politicians convicted of crimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Plenty of sex criminals on the Left there.

Also yes, she isnt a kiddie, in theory she is meant to be an adult, but seems to struggle with it. A lot. "Child having tantrum" is the best way to describe her, while you lot lap it up. No different to Brian Harradine supporters with the level of moronic zealotry.

Labor aren’t a left wing party though. Everyone you disagree with isn’t a leftie. Pretending they are is something Trump would do.

I hope this helps.

 

[HairyO]

Labor aren’t a left wing party though. Everyone you disagree with isn’t a leftie.

I hope this helps.

The only time Labor arent a left wing party is when you are so far to the left you think the Greens are centrists and Mao was on the money (BTW - he also had a thing for little girls - once they turned 10 they were too old for Mao).

I hope this helps.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Probably cheered her on when she used Parliamentary Privilege to accuse another Senator of sexually assaulting her, then later on took it back.

Surely the Senate has to sanction her - though for her supporters that will just be proof that she is a champion fighting against the system, rather than a moron flog who clearly is out of her depth and has no actual idea what she is doing.

Van also took back his allegation that her claim was a lie

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The only time Labor arent a left wing party is when you are so far to the left you think the Greens are centrists and Mao was on the money (BTW - he also had a thing for little girls - once they turned 10 they were too old for Mao).

I hope this helps.

Nice straw man.

 

[HairyO]

Van also took back his allegation that her claim was a lie

Because the rules dont allow you to call someone a liar, even if they are a liar.

I assume you know this and are just doing a little smoke and shadows behind the windows.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Because the rules dont allow you to call someone a liar, even if they are a liar.

I assume you know this and are just doing a little smoke and shadows behind the windows.

Which is exactly why Thorpe withdrew her allegation, as she expressly said - or doesn't that count?

 

[Gough]

Van has now admitted he moved office after a complaint by Thorpe in 2021.

 

[Chief]

because he is a conservative he probably did it

Where in there is anything like "lefties are all angels"?

 

[Gethelred]

Former Liberal senator accuses David Van of 'inappropriate touching', which Van denies

Former Queensland Liberal senator Amanda Stoker accuses senator David Van of inappropriately touching her at a social gathering in 2020, but he says it's not something he'd ever do.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If she has proof she can provide it to the Senate and then he will be sanctioned, or even the Police get involved. If she has no proof and is simply a flog who shoots her mouth off then she should be sanctioned. There arent much more serious accusations that can be made against someone.

She's giving a statement today. Maybe we should wait and see what she says before rushing to judgement.

The only time Labor arent a left wing party is when you are so far to the left you think the Greens are centrists and Mao was on the money

Wow, it's like you read the contents of my mind! (although I only like Mao's stance on landlords, don't know anything about his personal failings). But I'd question whether the Overton window is always in the right place, and whether being a "centrist" in modern society is a good thing when looking at the facts and what experts in each field think is best practice.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Oh, what has she "cried wolf" about in the past?

I guess the history of incidents within the LNP (and other political parties) and society in general is completely made up and all the other payouts and cover-ups never happened?

"Sensible skeptics" who use Reddit and 3-year-old unrelated stories to draw their conclusions? Would we call those "sensible"?

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe says she was racially profiled by Virgin Australia staff at Canberra Airport - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Accused Virgin Airlines of racially profiling her.

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission | Lidia Thorpe | The Guardian

Independent senator also foreshadowed abstaining from Senate vote on Indigenous voice referendum in interview with ABC

amp.theguardian.com

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission

Mardi Gras 2023: Premier calls senator Thorpe 'a disgrace' after temporarily halting Madi Gras parade

Premier calls senator Lidia Thorpe ‘a disgrace’ after temporarily halting Mardi Gras parade

Lidia Thorpe banned for life from Melbourne strip club Maxine’s

amp.theage.com.au

Independent senator Lidia Thorpe has been banned for life from a strip club in Melbourne’s inner north after she was filmed yelling profanities at a group of men outside the venue in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Lidia Thorpe outburst with Indigenous elders revealed; Greens staffer ‘scared and shocked’

amp.smh.com.au

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe’s former chief of staff says he was scared and appalled by her outburst in a meeting with two Indigenous community leaders at Parliament House last year, describing her behaviour among the most unprofessional conduct he has ever witnessed.

Thorpe to face probe over relationship with ex-bikie boss

The Greens senator said she would refer herself to the privileges committee over links with an ex-Rebels bikie gang president.

www.afr.com

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe faces a parliamentary review over her secret relationship with the former president of a motorcycle gang and has promised to co-operate with an inquiry.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/lidia-thorpe-has-accused-the-greens-of-bullying-and-the-lnp-and-alp-of-sexual-assault/news-story/37a6f0def013d1ee426348ddf027952c?amp

Lidia Thorpe has accused the Greens of bullying and the LNP and ALP of sexual assault

Not exactly the resume of a stable and honest person. I don't know if you have ever dealt with any of these BPD types in real life but unfortunately they don't like it when they don't get to feel like the biggest victim in the room.

 

[Saint]

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe says she was racially profiled by Virgin Australia staff at Canberra Airport - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Accused Virgin Airlines of racially profiling her.

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission | Lidia Thorpe | The Guardian

Independent senator also foreshadowed abstaining from Senate vote on Indigenous voice referendum in interview with ABC

amp.theguardian.com

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission

Mardi Gras 2023: Premier calls senator Thorpe 'a disgrace' after temporarily halting Madi Gras parade

Premier calls senator Lidia Thorpe ‘a disgrace’ after temporarily halting Mardi Gras parade

Lidia Thorpe banned for life from Melbourne strip club Maxine’s

amp.theage.com.au

Independent senator Lidia Thorpe has been banned for life from a strip club in Melbourne’s inner north after she was filmed yelling profanities at a group of men outside the venue in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Lidia Thorpe outburst with Indigenous elders revealed; Greens staffer ‘scared and shocked’

amp.smh.com.au

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe’s former chief of staff says he was scared and appalled by her outburst in a meeting with two Indigenous community leaders at Parliament House last year, describing her behaviour among the most unprofessional conduct he has ever witnessed.

Thorpe to face probe over relationship with ex-bikie boss

The Greens senator said she would refer herself to the privileges committee over links with an ex-Rebels bikie gang president.

www.afr.com

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe faces a parliamentary review over her secret relationship with the former president of a motorcycle gang and has promised to co-operate with an inquiry.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/lidia-thorpe-has-accused-the-greens-of-bullying-and-the-lnp-and-alp-of-sexual-assault/news-story/37a6f0def013d1ee426348ddf027952c?amp

Lidia Thorpe has accused the Greens of bullying and the LNP and ALP of sexual assault

Not exactly the resume of a stable and honest person. I don't know if you have ever dealt with any of these BPD types in real life but unfortunately they don't like it when they don't get to feel like the biggest victim in the room.

So, which of these did she lie about?

This is just stuff she's done. To be honest, this might be the type of behaviour one might expect from a victim of an assault. Or it might just be lots of grandstanding. But it doesn't show a history of lying.

That she felt racially profiled?

 

[QuietB]

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe says she was racially profiled by Virgin Australia staff at Canberra Airport - ABC News

amp.abc.net.au

Accused Virgin Airlines of racially profiling her.

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission | Lidia Thorpe | The Guardian

Independent senator also foreshadowed abstaining from Senate vote on Indigenous voice referendum in interview with ABC

amp.theguardian.com

Lidia Thorpe to lodge racism claim against Greens party with Human Rights Commission

Mardi Gras 2023: Premier calls senator Thorpe 'a disgrace' after temporarily halting Madi Gras parade

Premier calls senator Lidia Thorpe ‘a disgrace’ after temporarily halting Mardi Gras parade

Lidia Thorpe banned for life from Melbourne strip club Maxine’s

amp.theage.com.au

Independent senator Lidia Thorpe has been banned for life from a strip club in Melbourne’s inner north after she was filmed yelling profanities at a group of men outside the venue in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Lidia Thorpe outburst with Indigenous elders revealed; Greens staffer ‘scared and shocked’

amp.smh.com.au

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe’s former chief of staff says he was scared and appalled by her outburst in a meeting with two Indigenous community leaders at Parliament House last year, describing her behaviour among the most unprofessional conduct he has ever witnessed.

Thorpe to face probe over relationship with ex-bikie boss

The Greens senator said she would refer herself to the privileges committee over links with an ex-Rebels bikie gang president.

www.afr.com

Greens senator Lidia Thorpe faces a parliamentary review over her secret relationship with the former president of a motorcycle gang and has promised to co-operate with an inquiry.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/lidia-thorpe-has-accused-the-greens-of-bullying-and-the-lnp-and-alp-of-sexual-assault/news-story/37a6f0def013d1ee426348ddf027952c?amp

Lidia Thorpe has accused the Greens of bullying and the LNP and ALP of sexual assault

Not exactly the resume of a stable and honest person. I don't know if you have ever dealt with any of these BPD types in real life but unfortunately they don't like it when they don't get to feel like the biggest victim in the room.

Yet you would take a bullet for Trump

 

[kalex6251]

think its about time msm press van on the dog barking incident .... it gives weight to thorpes claim he uses intimidatory tactics to undermine women .... which is what thorpe has suggested occurred when he repeatedly followed her into the senate chamber (acts which ultimately resulted in his office change)

specifically: why did he do it? what did he hope to achieve by doing it? why did he initially deny doing it? why did he finally apologise? what changed between the denial and the apology?