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RobbieGray17

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I'm wondering if sick days at work could be increased for verified sickness as a means of reducing transfer. Workplaces generally want their people to be at work all the time but if they give more sick days to those who verify viruses/flu etc they can mitigate the damage of transfer.

Currently we get 10 days a year. Perhaps workplaces start giving virus leave or something, but reducing the number of days for other sickness as a trade off.

Go to doctor, get swab, stay at home for incubation period for strain. It's in the best interest of the business to keep sick people home.
 

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I'm wondering if sick days at work could be increased for verified sickness as a means of reducing transfer. Workplaces generally want their people to be at work all the time but if they give more sick days to those who verify viruses/flu etc they can mitigate the damage of transfer.

Currently we get 10 days a year. Perhaps workplaces start giving virus leave or something, but reducing the number of days for other sickness as a trade off.

Go to doctor, get swab, stay at home for incubation period for strain. It's in the best interest of the business to keep sick people home.
In my last job they required a doctor’s certificate for even ONE day off. No wonder germs were passed around freely.
 

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Yup. As soon as HR get involved it becomes "come into work unless you are on your deathbed you campaigner." Not only did they want a medical certificate for any time off, if you had more than a couple of Mondays or Fridays off they threatened to make you go to their doctor next time. Not sure how legal that was.

About 15 years ago I had two weeks annual leave, fell sick on the Friday before leaving work and spent the next nine days dying in bed. I sent an email to the big boss and had five days transferred to sick leave instead. You wouldn't even bother asking these days.
 

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In my last job they required a doctor’s certificate for even ONE day off. No wonder germs were passed around freely.
This would be a win win win for everyone.

I get a few days a year without a note, but they don't like it. What they don't like even more is multiple single days off with a pattern. Seems to happen a lot on shift work.

More opportunities for casual workers to fill in for genuine recorded virus leave
More incentive for workers to report illness
Less community transmission of viruses means less health implications, more available health resources
Business won't be in situations where they have scores of people away and in a mad panic to get people to work.
 

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And if you've got a 24-hour bug and know you'll be in to work tomorrow, there is no incentive to traipse down to the doctor even if you feel up to it.

And if you've got a bad cold and feel like sh*t but you're not sick enough to require medical intervention, there is no incentive to traipse down to the doctor.

It's just a bureaucratic hurdle for the 95% of us who don't fu** around abusing the system.

In any case, you can't just traipse down to the doctor these days. You have to make an appointment, generally in 2-4 days. When I lived in Brunswick it was over three weeks. So I can have today off without a certificate, or three days off to get your piece of paper. Your call, HR.

They generally back down when faced with logic, but dislike being shown up and have long memories. fu** 'em all.
 

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And if you've got a 24-hour bug and know you'll be in to work tomorrow, there is no incentive to traipse down to the doctor even if you feel up to it.

And if you've got a bad cold and feel like sh*t but you're not sick enough to require medical intervention, there is no incentive to traipse down to the doctor.

It's just a bureaucratic hurdle for the 95% of us who don't fu** around abusing the system.

In any case, you can't just traipse down to the doctor these days. You have to make an appointment, generally in 2-4 days. When I lived in Brunswick it was over three weeks. So I can have today off without a certificate, or three days off to get your piece of paper. Your call, HR.

They generally back down when faced with logic, but dislike being shown up and have long memories. fu** 'em all.
Human Remains.
 

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Somebody just learned a new word HAHA.

This is where we should have virus testing clinics. Dedicated clinics to get testing done. I should have mentioned that this would offer up a gold mine in terms of data and understanding virus transmission.
I hope this proliferation of new health facilities means new career pathways for multitudes of unemployed. How hard can it be to swab someone’s mouth?
 

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This would be a win win win for everyone.

More opportunities for casual workers to fill in for genuine recorded virus leave
More incentive for workers to report illness
Less community transmission of viruses means less health implications, more available health resources
Business won't be in situations where they have scores of people away and in a mad panic to get people to work.
Not over the longer term. Our immune system only works the way it does because of exposure to pathogens. People should not be discouraged from staying at home when they have a cold. Everyone on the planet would be dead from Covid if it weren't for acquired immunity.


 

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I'm wondering if sick days at work could be increased for verified sickness as a means of reducing transfer. Workplaces generally want their people to be at work all the time but if they give more sick days to those who verify viruses/flu etc they can mitigate the damage of transfer.

Currently we get 10 days a year. Perhaps workplaces start giving virus leave or something, but reducing the number of days for other sickness as a trade off.

Go to doctor, get swab, stay at home for incubation period for strain. It's in the best interest of the business to keep sick people home.
The only verification workplaces need is a medical certificate based on the expert opinion of a health professional. Beyond that, it's none of their business what illness you have.

The requirement for a medical certificate is something I'd challenge. It's a waste of time and resources for some minor illnesses.
 

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The only verification workplaces need is a medical certificate based on the expert opinion of a health professional. Beyond that, it's none of their business what illness you have.

The requirement for a medical certificate is something I'd challenge. It's a waste of time and resources for some minor illnesses.
There was a push by once to allow pharmacists and nurses to do doc certs.

Idea being if you just have a bad cold, go to the chemist, pay $5, get your note, stay home. And consider the process now, you pay $60 to say to the doc "I have a bad cold", they go "yep", and youre out in 2 minutes.

The AMA lost their sh*t. Apparently it's grossly unsafe to do that, and lives would be at risk. Ultimately they won out and govt backed down.

sh*t like this is why I say they are the second strongest union in the country.
 

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There was a push by once to allow pharmacists and nurses to do doc certs.

Idea being if you just have a bad cold, go to the chemist, pay $5, get your note, stay home. And consider the process now, you pay $60 to say to the doc "I have a bad cold", they go "yep", and youre out in 2 minutes.

The AMA lost their sh*t. Apparently it's grossly unsafe to do that, and lives would be at risk. Ultimately they won out and govt backed down.

sh*t like this is why I say they are the second strongest union in the country.

Medical Certificates are a hideous waste of our taxes. $40 from the tax payer for each certificate.
I know people who go to the doctor saying, " can i have a medical certificate i want to go fishing "
Employers regard the certificate as a "slight barrier" making it at least a little bit inconvenient to "pull a sicky"

Personally, i've gone years without using any sick leave, so when i have needed to use it, the Boss tells me not to bother bringing one in.
 

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Medical Certificates are a hideous waste of our taxes. $40 from the tax payer for each certificate.
I know people who go to the doctor saying, " can i have a medical certificate i want to go fishing "
Employers regard the certificate as a "slight barrier" making it at least a little bit inconvenient to "pull a sicky"

Personally, i've gone years without using any sick leave, so when i have needed to use it, the Boss tells me not to bother bringing one in.
They were a waste because:

1) the Fair Work Act didnt specify that chemists were an approved expert to issue these

2) the AMA ran a massive disinformation campaign saying that these were being issued fraudulently

3) industry groups like VECCI and AIG advised their members to reject any cert not from a doctor

many blue chip/multinationals wont accept them, and the small/mid sized mobs will often be like your boss (not even ask for one unless the worker is habitually taking time off)
 

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If you are not invested into the banking sector right now, you deserve to be broke
 

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They were a waste because:

1) the Fair Work Act didnt specify that chemists were an approved expert to issue these

2) the AMA ran a massive disinformation campaign saying that these were being issued fraudulently

3) industry groups like VECCI and AIG advised their members to reject any cert not from a doctor

many blue chip/multinationals wont accept them, and the small/mid sized mobs will often be like your boss (not even ask for one unless the worker is habitually taking time off)
Sorry , i meant that Medical Certificates for a day off work are a waste in general.
People who have a small sickness, visit a doctor, the money is bulk billed.
In most cases the doctor needs to take your symptoms at face value, and write you a certificate.
If you do have a bad dose of gastro, normally you feel better in a day or so, what can be worse than needing to go to the doctors when your toilet bowl seems to be the most attractive thing in your life.
So then the doctors write out a certificate the day after, based on described symptoms.

Topic 2.
I'm sure there is still a sign at the Chemist Warehouse i go to ,stating that they will do certificates.
It is up to the employer whether they accept it. Nothing to do with the AMA. Nothing to do with the fair work act.
If the employer wishes to contest a Chemist certificate , they probably can. Of course some doctors and medical centres love to get their $40 from the government for telling you that you have a cold and you should get some rest.


My father once had an employee who had taken a day off to go four wheel driving at short notice. All good.
He rolls up a little late the following Monday , with a doctors certificate stating that "XXXXX had probably been too sick to work on Friday " He told him to get f’ed and took the time out of his leave.
He would have rung the doctor for a mouthful but you don't get to talk to them do you.

My wife stopped going to the medical centre i go to because, quite rightly , they have a policy against prescribing inappropriate antibiotics. My wife wants a doctor who will give her antibiotics when she asks for them, and she found one.
 

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My wife stopped going to the medical centre i go to because, quite rightly , they have a policy against prescribing inappropriate antibiotics. My wife wants a doctor who will give her antibiotics when she asks for them, and she found one.
Mine knows that when I have to ask for antibiotics, I'm a few hours away from sepsis setting in. So there's no questions asked. Dentists are also good for kick-arse antibiotics, as mouth infections tend to be violent and severe.
 

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Sorry , i meant that Medical Certificates for a day off work are a waste in general.
People who have a small sickness, visit a doctor, the money is bulk billed.
In most cases the doctor needs to take your symptoms at face value, and write you a certificate.
If you do have a bad dose of gastro, normally you feel better in a day or so, what can be worse than needing to go to the doctors when your toilet bowl seems to be the most attractive thing in your life.
So then the doctors write out a certificate the day after, based on described symptoms.

Topic 2.
I'm sure there is still a sign at the Chemist Warehouse i go to ,stating that they will do certificates.
It is up to the employer whether they accept it. Nothing to do with the AMA. Nothing to do with the fair work act.
If the employer wishes to contest a Chemist certificate , they probably can. Of course some doctors and medical centres love to get their $40 from the government for telling you that you have a cold and you should get some rest.


My father once had an employee who had taken a day off to go four wheel driving at short notice. All good.
He rolls up a little late the following Monday , with a doctors certificate stating that "XXXXX had probably been too sick to work on Friday " He told him to get f’ed and took the time out of his leave.
He would have rung the doctor for a mouthful but you don't get to talk to them do you.

My wife stopped going to the medical centre i go to because, quite rightly , they have a policy against prescribing inappropriate antibiotics. My wife wants a doctor who will give her antibiotics when she asks for them, and she found one.
1) i agree doc certs are a waste of money. getting one for a cold is just stupid

2) the AMA discredited Chemist Warehouse in particular (big HUN/3AW campaign) so that employers would not accept them. They then successfully got their golfing buddies in the AIG and VECCI to tell members not to accept them too
 

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There was a push by once to allow pharmacists and nurses to do doc certs.

Idea being if you just have a bad cold, go to the chemist, pay $5, get your note, stay home. And consider the process now, you pay $60 to say to the doc "I have a bad cold", they go "yep", and youre out in 2 minutes.

The AMA lost their sh*t. Apparently it's grossly unsafe to do that, and lives would be at risk. Ultimately they won out and govt backed down.

sh*t like this is why I say they are the second strongest union in the country.
Chemist Warehouse used to charge $20 for a sick note. If you want a cheap/free consultation you would be better off finding a bulk billing doctor. They are medically qualified, will run some basic tests, and can refer you to pathology or a specialist if required. Eg you might rock up thinking you have a cold but you actually have a heart complaint.

I have no sympathy with the Pharmacy Guild. They control the industry on a non-competitive basis. Only a registered pharmacist can own a pharmacy, which locks out big companies like the big supermarkets - and so artificially keeps prices high. "Location laws" mean that a new pharmacy cannot be opened closer than 1.5 kilometres from an existing pharmacy.
 

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I'm wondering if sick days at work could be increased for verified sickness as a means of reducing transfer. Workplaces generally want their people to be at work all the time but if they give more sick days to those who verify viruses/flu etc they can mitigate the damage of transfer.

Currently we get 10 days a year. Perhaps workplaces start giving virus leave or something, but reducing the number of days for other sickness as a trade off.

Go to doctor, get swab, stay at home for incubation period for strain. It's in the best interest of the business to keep sick people home.
Sick leave accrues. If you are sick more than 10 days every year there is something wrong with you.
Employers aren't allowed to discriminate against medical issues, but if a prospective employer found out you were using your full 10 days each work, you wouldn't get the job. ( try to prove you have been discriminated against ).
 

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Chemist Warehouse used to charge $20 for a sick note. If you want a cheap/free consultation you would be better off finding a bulk billing doctor. They are medically qualified, will run some basic tests, and can refer you to pathology or a specialist if required. Eg you might rock up thinking you have a cold but you actually have a heart complaint.

I have no sympathy with the Pharmacy Guild. They control the industry on a non-competitive basis. Only a registered pharmacist can own a pharmacy, which locks out big companies like the big supermarkets - and so artificially keeps prices high. "Location laws" mean that a new pharmacy cannot be opened closer than 1.5 kilometres from an existing pharmacy.
There is a word for people who rock up at the doctors with a cold , wondering if they have a heart complaint.
It costs taxpayers dearly each year.
Yes people probably should have an annual check-up, but its easy to overdo it.
 

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Chemist Warehouse used to charge $20 for a sick note. If you want a cheap/free consultation you would be better off finding a bulk billing doctor. They are medically qualified, will run some basic tests, and can refer you to pathology or a specialist if required. Eg you might rock up thinking you have a cold but you actually have a heart complaint.

I have no sympathy with the Pharmacy Guild. They control the industry on a non-competitive basis. Only a registered pharmacist can own a pharmacy, which locks out big companies like the big supermarkets - and so artificially keeps prices high. "Location laws" mean that a new pharmacy cannot be opened closer than 1.5 kilometres from an existing pharmacy.
no point getting a chem warehouse one if the majority of workplaces dont accept them.

on bulk billing, the only bulk billing places in my area are public hospitals (which is why so many idiots go to emergency for the flu)

and dont disagree on the PG. Their propaganda campaign against supermarkets being able to have in house chemists was pathetic.
 

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Sick leave accrues. If you are sick more than 10 days every year there is something wrong with you.
Employers aren't allowed to discriminate against medical issues, but if a prospective employer found out you were using your full 10 days each work, you wouldn't get the job. ( try to prove you have been discriminated against ).
incorrect. I worked for one mob who only gave 5 days per year, and those days expired if not used after 12 months

same arseholes who wouldnt give me time off for my grandmothers funeral
 

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