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Good thread and strong OP RobbieGray17

Just on working from home:
  • home offices become a more common feature in new homes
  • likewise home gyms
  • regulators and HR departments relax health and safety constraints associated with working from home
  • shift in performance reviews to focus more on deliverables (would be too much to hope for doing away with performance reviews)
  • smart companies getting rid of regular meetings (realisation how much time is wasted in these)
  • increased demand for improved NBN (probably won't be delivered)
  • real estate agents highlighting homes with FTTP (and distinguishing it from node) as a feature
  • drop in solar feed in tariffs (encourages home consumption which should be higher with more working from home)
  • increased uptake of rooftop solar as price for daytime energy consumptions shifts from work to home
  • decreased peak pressure on grid as consumption flattens (rather than everyone arriving home and chucking on the air-conditioner)
  • quieter roads = road space reclaimed for alternative transport uses (e.g. trams and cycling)
  • loss of some privacy (e.g. some form of certificate proving immunity required to be out and about, pretty much like China has now)
  • sport starts again but only open to those with certificates
 
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Legalise ******* weed you dumb ******* campaigners how hard is it.
Airline going under? ******* buy it. Start nationalising the profits, and not just the losses.
Add another tax bracket. Why is a specialist doctor making 200,000 a year taxed the same as the dickhead earning 65,000 a day running QANTAS.
Tell Energy "Australia", Exxon and all the other tax-dodging mother*ers to get the * out of our country or pay what they owe. Those two campaigners earned over 60 BILLION DOLLARS combined over the last 4 years and they didn't pay a single dollar to the ATO. * that.
Find those arseholes who hung out in Aspen and publicly execute them.
 

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Both birth and divorce rates will sky rocket.

Interesting thou as for the singles no one can go out and meet. Once the restricitions are lifted expect a second wave/marriage boom 9-24 months after the first.

Maybe not in the traditional sense. I think the crisis has forced people to "date from home" by using dating apps more than ever. There's women putting "looking for a quarantine buddy" in their tinder profile.
 

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Postcorona or Postcovid are going to be ******* annoying sayings. Small thing I know, waiting for some reporter to go with it and the mice will follow.
 
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Blokes at the footy are the worst. Take a piss and then drink piss all with the same bacteria.

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o_OBear Grylls plays footy? o_O
 
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Life after pandemic: How will coronavirus change us?

Though no one knows how long it will last, the pandemic will eventually end. Many of the enormous changes that have happened in response to the virus will likely return to normal.
Some things, however, may never go back to the way they were. The outbreak has affected so many parts of life, for so many people, that it stand as a pivotal point in history that fundamentally alters the way we live.

Many of the predictions of permanent changes to come out of the pandemic concern relatively small adjustments to everyday life.

* For example, a lot of workers and businesses may choose to continue remote work after social distancing ends. If this happens at a large enough scale, it could lead to a migration away from big cities and a huge drop in commuting.

* The economic toll of the outbreak could make a lasting impact on a variety of businesses sectors, including increased dominance for major tech companies, the decline of the restaurant industry and the collapse of locally owned stores.

* Some experts believe the pandemic could be a major event of the century that radically alters the world in its aftermath.

* Others argue that the virus has exposed deep flaws in the way the world economy functions. Building a more stable structure for global trade could mean significant alterations in how supply chains work.

* Others see the possibility for a political revolution that would shift the balance of power in countless countries. This revolution could lead to a more equitable society, or, some fear, a rise in authoritarianism and violent upheaval.


 
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Life after pandemic: How will coronavirus change us?

Though no one knows how long it will last, the pandemic will eventually end. Many of the enormous changes that have happened in response to the virus will likely return to normal.
Some things, however, may never go back to the way they were. The outbreak has affected so many parts of life, for so many people, that it stand as a pivotal point in history that fundamentally alters the way we live.

Many of the predictions of permanent changes to come out of the pandemic concern relatively small adjustments to everyday life.

* For example, a lot of workers and businesses may choose to continue remote work after social distancing ends. If this happens at a large enough scale, it could lead to a migration away from big cities and a huge drop in commuting.

* The economic toll of the outbreak could make a lasting impact on a variety of businesses sectors, including increased dominance for major tech companies, the decline of the restaurant industry and the collapse of locally owned stores.

* Some experts believe the pandemic could be a major event of the century that radically alters the world in its aftermath.

* Others argue that the virus has exposed deep flaws in the way the world economy functions. Building a more stable structure for global trade could mean significant alterations in how supply chains work.

* Others see the possibility for a political revolution that would shift the balance of power in countless countries. This revolution could lead to a more equitable society, or, some fear, a rise in authoritarianism and violent upheaval.



Women love to shop, bricks & mortar, its been challenged by cheaper prices on the net, this rejig of the market has financial & social implications & its got a way to go ......
 

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Listening to some random podcasts provoked these unrelated thoughts.

1. If we only focus on rebuilding what we had in terms of an economy / how society works then we've missed a huge opportunity. Because you can be sure there will be another one of these pandemics along in a few years and we'd be back to where we were and economically and socially much weaker. It's like people wanting to re-build after a bushfire in a fire zone. I understand the emotion, but really, you're asking for trouble.

2. Whereas the 2008 GFC resulted in a growth in anti-establishment politics (Trump, Brexit), the polling showing a high level of trust in government during this crisis may result in increasing support for moderate, establishment politics. May also be linked to the first point about how governments come out of this crisis.

3. The other factor in this is highlighting inequality. Covid-19 has shown the people society and the economy most depends upon (nurses, cleaners, bus drivers, supermarket staff etc.) are amongst the lowest paid. There's an appreciation of what they are doing but not much discussion on making it easier for them in the future.
 

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So been thinking, what changes do you think will happen after Covid-19

Just a few things I think will be on the cards
  • More comprehensive live data collection of viruses will be shared internationally to prevent another outbreak. Measures will be put in place to lock locations down rapidly.
  • Airport/cruise ship testing prior to boarding, isolation areas for infected people, and testing prior to arriving in another country
  • Resource availability and stockpiling for future pandemics
  • Massive increases in medical science, and research
  • Implement a crisis response unit that specifically handles situations like this one swiftly and free from politics. This unit would be covered by the best experts in each field.
  • We will inevitably at some stage, (I wouldn't expect in the next 2-3 years) a crisis fund whether this be developed from an increase in the GST or a levy of some sort.
  • I expect a strong response in the next two years to seriously tackle both Cardiovascular disease, obesity, and diabetes. WE have seen the cost is too high NOT to act.
  • More and more businesses will allow workers to work from home, saving on costs to the company and much face to face will be done online
  • Supermarkets will push hard for automation where customers walk in pick up goods and walk out
  • The handshake will die
  • Cash will die
  • More and more people will wear masks outside of Melbourne
  • I expect for quite some time that a lot of people will start prepping creating the same shortages on shelves atm.
  • I expect and hope that more Australians support Australian jobs and Australian products keeping money in the country
  • Robotic technologies to disinfect will be massive in the next 5 years.
  • automation and sensors on doors, toilets, streets and basically anything that can be touched will be a big thing in the next 5 years including in the home.
  • Home builders will start designing homes with larger pantries.
Let me know what you think

I think you have quite an optimistic view of humanity especially those in power. We have had serious health epidemics recently the view of ‘its only queers/oldies/brown people’ is rife
 

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Inflation back is a good thing

China USA cold war has been cooking for years now

Won't be income tax. It will be IMO combo of a gst rise (and possible removal of exemptions), and a carbon tax. A carbon tax is basically a consumption tax, and it's a way to get the alp and greens on board.

when Abbott repeals the carbon tax, didn’t he also make a change which was effectively a carbon tax on petrol?
 

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Good thread and strong OP RobbieGray17

Just on working from home:
  • home offices become a more common feature in new homes
  • likewise home gyms
  • regulators and HR departments relax health and safety constraints associated with working from home
  • shift in performance reviews to focus more on deliverables (would be too much to hope for doing away with performance reviews)
  • smart companies getting rid of regular meetings (realisation how much time is wasted in these)
  • increased demand for improved NBN (probably won't be delivered)
  • real estate agents highlighting homes with FTTP (and distinguishing it from node) as a feature
  • drop in solar feed in tariffs (encourages home consumption which should be higher with more working from home)
  • increased uptake of rooftop solar as price for daytime energy consumptions shifts from work to home
  • decreased peak pressure on grid as consumption flattens (rather than everyone arriving home and chucking on the air-conditioner)
  • quieter roads = road space reclaimed for alternative transport uses (e.g. trams and cycling)
  • loss of some privacy (e.g. some form of certificate proving immunity required to be out and about, pretty much like China has now)
  • sport starts again but only open to those with certificates

heard a view that as restrictions ease, crowded trains will be less popular for a while, and when people do return to commute to cbd, more likely to use car, though not as often as before.
 

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heard a view that as restrictions ease, crowded trains will be less popular for a while, and when people do return to commute to cbd, more likely to use car, though not as often as before.

Possibly but it'll run up against the lack of free parking, which is what most supports driving as commuting.
 
heard a view that as restrictions ease, crowded trains will be less popular for a while, and when people do return to commute to cbd, more likely to use car, though not as often as before.

Like any disaster , people close the gate after the horse has bolted.
After serious bushfires, they are great at cleaning round their properties , doing controlled burns, taking precautions.
Then over time it all creeps back and life is back to normal.

Google and have a look at the current day "active" volcano, Mt Vesuvius.

China have had a heap of bad flu type viruses. They still use public transport.

If people avoid the trains , the Monash will be a gridlocked nightmare.
 
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Would it be a good thing if WHO became organised in a militarised sense (specialised helicopter/aircraft carriers for rapid MEDEVAC, fleets of hospital ships, staff drawn from across the globe) that could react quickly to outbreaks at any point on earth?

I know that global politics being what it is some nations (or armed groups controlling territory within that nation) may not let such a force deploy but is it worth considering anyway?
Would be a waste of resources as big geopolitical dick swinging would dictate that it doesn't get used 90% of the time it would be useful (which would already be a minuscule amount of time).
 
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Might see what happened 100 years ago:
australias-response-to-the-spanish-flu-of-1919-sounds-warnings-on-dealing-with-coronavirus-134017

Most Australians - Indigenous people under the protection acts were an exception - have long taken for granted their right to cross state borders. They have treated them much as they do the often unmarked boundaries dividing their suburbs. Not any more.

Australia has closed its international borders to non-residents. South Australia has announced it will close its borders, New South Wales is moving closer to lock-down over the next two days, with Victoria set to follow suit. The Tasmanian government is forcing non-essential travellers into 14 days of quarantine. The Combined Aboriginal Organisations of Alice Springs called for severe restrictions on entry to the Northern Territory, and its government has now followed Tasmania’s example. Queensland has reciprocated by imposing controls on part of its western border.

....

COVID-19 represents the worst public health crisis the world has faced since the Spanish flu. Estimates of global deaths from the flu in 1919 vary, often beginning at around 30 million but rising as high as 100 million. Australian losses were probably about 12,000-15,000 deaths..


Worth a read imho there is pleny more to read.
 

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if you work just outside the CBD, and need to change trains/trams, the car v PT decision is finely balanced, and might swing toward the car. Especially of you don't go in every day any more
 
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