Society/Culture Life after Covid-19

[Evolved1]

But its piss easy to work when you've got a cold. Nobody should need a day off for a cold. So no biggie if that spreads. Flu might knock you around a bit, so probably better to stay at home in that case.

Do you have any medical qualification to make that claim? When you go down with a virus, it's rare to be tested as to whether it's influenza or a cold anyway.

If a qualified medical professional tells you to take time off from work, you should heed their advice.

Your manager isn't qualified to provide opinions about your health.

 

[Evolved1]

I for one hate having a cold, but no biggie

Sure, but stay home so you don't needlessly spread it to others at your place of work.

Those who choose to tough it out by coughing and sneezing their germs everywhere at work will carry my workload while I recover at home watching netflix, then complain for having to do my work.

 

[Deliverance]

Do you have any medical qualification to make that claim? When you go down with a virus, it's rare to be tested as to whether it's influenza or a cold anyway.

If a qualified medical professional tells you to take time off from work, you should heed their advice.

Your manager isn't qualified to provide opinions about your health.

I don't need a medical qualification to know if I've got a cold or the flu. I'll just use the same symptom list that a GP would. As you said, they're not testing for it.

Newsroom

Queensland Health newsroom

www.health.qld.gov.au

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Sure, but stay home so you don't needlessly spread it to others at your place of work.

Those who choose to tough it out by coughing and sneezing their germs everywhere at work will carry my workload while I recover at home watching netflix, then complain for having to do my work.

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying.

 

[Over The Post]

I wonder what sort of socialist utopia you guys work at. Whenever I was off sick I'd come back to the work I'd left, plus whatever had accumulated in the time I'd been away.

 

[Evolved1]

I wonder what sort of socialist utopia you guys work at. Whenever I was off sick I'd come back to the work I'd left, plus whatever had accumulated in the time I'd been away.

If nobody else can do your job, you'll probably be overlooked come promotion time because....nobody else can do your job.

 

[Over The Post]

Ain't that the ******* truth.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, Dr Nick Coatsworth says we can't eradicate COVID-19 forever. We have to prepare for the next phase of the pandemic: open international borders and the return of the virus in the community.

Dr Coatsworth, in his speech on Thursday night, said Australians had to come to terms with the fact that Australia cannot ride out the COVID-19 pandemic “in an eliminationist bunker”.​

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“It is clear we will not have our borders closed indefinitely. We will not have quarantine stations in perpetuity whilst we aim for the false idol of eradication,” said Dr Coatsworth, speaking in a personal capacity.​

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“At a point in the future when a significant majority of our community is vaccinated, there will be pressure to open our borders. We must not resist that. In fact, when the time is right, we should be leading the calls for it.”​

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The federal government has indicated international borders could be opened in the first half of 2022 when its projections suggest the majority of the population will be fully vaccinated.​

If the vaccines are as effective as we've been told, what is the argument for not going back to normal as soon as we have vaccinated our most vulnerable? Anyone who is over 50, or has a serious medical condition, or works in a high-risk industry should have had their first dose by now and their second by July. At that point we should start treating it like other seasonal respiratory viruses.

 

[swingdog]

Australia’s former deputy chief medical officer, Dr Nick Coatsworth says we can't eradicate COVID-19 forever. We have to prepare for the next phase of the pandemic: open international borders and the return of the virus in the community.

Dr Coatsworth, in his speech on Thursday night, said Australians had to come to terms with the fact that Australia cannot ride out the COVID-19 pandemic “in an eliminationist bunker”.​

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“It is clear we will not have our borders closed indefinitely. We will not have quarantine stations in perpetuity whilst we aim for the false idol of eradication,” said Dr Coatsworth, speaking in a personal capacity.​

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“At a point in the future when a significant majority of our community is vaccinated, there will be pressure to open our borders. We must not resist that. In fact, when the time is right, we should be leading the calls for it.”​

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The federal government has indicated international borders could be opened in the first half of 2022 when its projections suggest the majority of the population will be fully vaccinated.​

If the vaccines are as effective as we've been told, what is the argument for not going back to normal as soon as we have vaccinated our most vulnerable? Anyone who is over 50, or has a serious medical condition, or works in a high-risk industry should have had their first dose by now and their second by July. At that point we should start treating it like other seasonal respiratory viruses.

Variants.

 

[RobbieGray17]

Variants.

11 players on a baseball team got the virus after being fully vaccinated.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

11 players on a baseball team got the virus after being fully vaccinated.

But are any of them seriously sick or hospitalised? Or are the symptoms reduced and they are no sicker than they would be with a bad cold? Or have they simply tested positive?

 

[RobbieGray17]

But are any of them seriously sick or hospitalised? Or are the symptoms reduced and they are no sicker than they would be with a bad cold? Or have they simply tested positive?

My understanding early was that the vaccines were going to prevent transmission, but now learning that is not the case.

 

[Frank Bunn]

My understanding early was that the vaccines were going to prevent transmission, but now learning that is not the case.

The Phase III clinical trial for the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine found efficacy against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 was 66.3%. Which is not great. However vaccine efficacy for the prevention of COVID-19–associated hospitalization was high: estimated efficacy = 93.1%. There were no COVID-19–associated deaths in the vaccine group and seven in the placebo recipients. There was some weaker evidence that the vaccine inhibits transmission.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ ...

This report describes the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ (ACIP’s) interim recommendation for use of the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

It's my understanding that seven New York Yankees staffers, plus one player tested positive - all but one of them asymptomatic and none with severe symptoms. It's a good example of how the vaccines are meant to work.

So what is the plan for how and when Australia can go back to normal?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

My understanding early was that the vaccines were going to prevent transmission, but now learning that is not the case.

No, in one of the earliest pressers the CHO said the vac would not stop you getting covid or passing it on, it would only reduce the severity and keep you out of hospital. Hotel quarantine would continue and borders would remain closed. All of this has come to pass.

 

[swingdog]

My understanding early was that the vaccines were going to prevent transmission, but now learning that is not the case.

They do, just not 100%. Same as the flu shots.

 

[Pessimistic]

Transmission is less in communities which have high levels of vaccination. It’s a numbers game, not an individual one

 

[RobbieGray17]

They do, just not 100%. Same as the flu shots.

But why 11 people in a group. Thats potentislly greater than 20 percent

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

But why 11 people in a group. Thats potentislly greater than 20 percent

It can be spread via pizza boxes, is wildly infectious and 87% more deadly, haven’t you heard?

 

[RobbieGray17]

It can be spread via pizza boxes, is wildly infectious and 87% more deadly, haven’t you heard?

Not sure on your angle. Were talking about fully vaccinated groups. 8 people got it. Im reading into it now

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Not sure on your angle. Were talking about fully vaccinated groups. 8 people got it. Im reading into it now

So back to my question, are they sick or just tested positive? Maybe testing positive is a side effect.

 

[RobbieGray17]

So back to my question, are they sick or just tested positive? Maybe testing positive is a side effect.

Still reading about it. Saying 100% effective against serious illness. Minor asymptomatic would have ripped through an unvaccinated team

 

[swingdog]

But why 11 people in a group. Thats potentislly greater than 20 percent

Not necessarily a representative sample.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Do you have any medical qualification to make that claim? When you go down with a virus, it's rare to be tested as to whether it's influenza or a cold anyway.

If a qualified medical professional tells you to take time off from work, you should heed their advice.

Your manager isn't qualified to provide opinions about your health.

Usually they tell you you "can take time off work "
Then there are the ones who will write you a sick certificate if you tell them you'd like to go fishing.
Doctors know whats going on and so do managers.

 

[Evolved1]

Usually they tell you you "can take time off work "
Then there are the ones who will write you a sick certificate if you tell them you'd like to go fishing.
Doctors know whats going on and so do managers.

Nobody really knows what's going on in another persons life, including doctors and managers. I have no issue with people taking a day off work fishing if its good for their mental health. Happy and healthy workers are productive workers.

The sick leave system is open to abuse, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Nobody really knows what's going on in another persons life, including doctors and managers. I have no issue with people taking a day off work fishing if its good for their mental health. Happy and healthy workers are productive workers.

The sick leave system is open to abuse, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.

How do you know if they are taking time off for “mental health”, or if they’re just a slacker?