Player Watch Lin Jong

[jackcass]

Seeing this mattys123 makes you think the Recruiters need to Change?

IF He moved to us I hope he likes playing in the VFL

The recruiters need to look at every option thoroughly so quite the opposite, recruiters would need to be changed if they weren't doing this.

 

[Unnamed1]

If you look over at the doggies board they seem to think that they will get Cloke, Witts or N Brown for Jong and even then they will need to get an additional draft pick to make it even. Otherwise they are saying no to a direct swap.

I don't really think that's the consensus over there - there is a considerable portion of our board who cringe whenever he is selected - but an equal portion who really rate him.

I personally don't understand why you're interested enough in him now to give him a tour of facilities. Seems odd. But the reality is each of Witts, Cloke and Jong (ignoring "potential" or our own biased views on their ability) is a fringe 22 player, in the case of Jong for a potential top 4 team, and in the case of Witts and Cloke, for a team which has not been in the top half of the ladder for a while. Each player has many younger and more talented players in front of them. Both teams' supporters are likely to overrate their own players and what they think they're worth, and undervalue the opposition team's potential trade target (and s****** at what posters on each side are saying!)

 

[jackcass]

Love your work Malty!

Collingwood
Western Bulldogs midfielder Lin Jong tours Collingwood facilities mid-season

Jay Clark, Herald Sun
32 minutes ago
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WESTERN Bulldogs midfielder Lin Jong toured Collingwood’s facilities in the days before he played in the Dogs’ pulsating win over Sydney on Saturday.

The out-of-contract Bulldog met with a Magpies official after hours at the Holden Centre last week as he weighs up his footballing future.

Clubs are permitted to talk to rival players and their managers, but stepping inside a rival club in-season is uncommon.


Former Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse says he would be furious if he was coaching a player who toured another club’s facilities in-season.

Malthouse said he would consider not playing Jong again this season.

“If I found a player who has challenged the club that I’m going to go (at season’s end) because my management has got him booked into Collingwood or wherever else, with the view of looking at their facilities and with the view of moving at the end of the year — I would be livid,” Malthouse said on SEN.

“Because trust is both ways. If that’s done behind your back it’s the very fabric of your building. Trust is the mortar and if that starts to fray because a player can’t cop what he sees in front of him and he can’t wait until the end of the year, then I wouldn’t play him.”

AFL rules prohibit players from signing contracts with new clubs before the trade period starts in November.

The Bulldogs have attempted to re-sign Jong this season, but they have been unable to agree to terms.

Jong, 23, has not reached any agreement with the Magpies, but is believed to be considering his options.

Sources close to the 188cm hard-nut confirmed the night-time visit to Collingwood’s Olympic Park headquarters.

Malthouse said Jong should have waited until season’s end, unless he and the Bulldogs already had an undertaking about a move to another club.

“I understand that sometimes you are not going to get a game at a football club. And there is going to be times when a club says we can get a second or third-round pick or whatever the case may be, that’s just the mechanics of the game,” Malthouse said.

“But by and large that’s done at the end of the year. Unless you get a hint from the coach or the committee that you are pushing it uphill, that you are not going to get a game we are quite happy for you to pursue other interests. I think that’s honest and gives a player a real knowledge of where he is at.

“But very few clubs are going to do that in the Western Bulldogs position where they are challenging for a flag they need every player and anyone who has played the game this year in particular so they know they can fall back on this player and know they are going to get a really decent hit out.

“The kid will probably say ‘I will give everything I’ve got’. But what’s the point of doing it in July or June, when you can still do the same thing at the end of the football season? Why not wait until the end of the year?”

The ball-winner has been in and out of the Bulldogs’ senior team, playing seven AFL games this season.

He had 20 possessions and three clearances in the thrilling win over the Swans

Jong has played 30 AFL games in five seasons at the kennel and could move elsewhere for more senior opportunities next year.

Gold Coast chased the No.9 pick in the 2011 rookie draft in last year’s trade period, but he turned the Suns down.

Despite high hopes for 2016, the growing depth on the Bulldogs’ list has pushed Jong to the fringes of senior selection.

The Oakleigh product was also suspended for two matches for making high contact to young Giant Matthew Buntine in Round 9.

Jong underwent groin surgery in the off-season and said he wanted to model his game on Geelong superstar Patrick Dangerfield.

“The way he uses his speed is something I’d really like to do,” Jong told the AFL website in March.

“The coaches tell me to use my speed as much as I can and break away from packs a bit more.

“Patrick is such a great player and I aspire to be a better player and keep improving, so I like to adapt my game to his.”

How Collingwood could secure Jong in either this year’s trade or draft periods remains unclear.

Collingwood does not have a first-round pick in this year’s draft after using it to secure star midfielder Adam Treloar last year.

The club also needs to amass draft points if it is to nab father-son propositions Callum Brown and Josh Daicos, so any trade move for Jong would be difficult.

However, out-of-contract ruckman Jarrod Witts could be put up for trade to bolster the Magpies’ position. Full-back Nathan Brown is also a free agent this year.

Western Bulldogs officials met with recruit Tom Boyd at Peter Gordon’s house in 2014, midway through Boyd’s first season at Greater Western Sydney.

Neither the Dogs or the Pies would comment.

Got to love the MM hypocrisy... remind us again just how Daisy got to Carlton... so trust is a 2 way street, well as long as it runs his way.

 

[CFC2010]

Got to love the MM hypocrisy... remind us again just how Daisy got to Carlton... so trust is a 2 way street, well as long as it runs his way.

MM a hypocrite???? Butter wouldn't melt in that blokes mouth jackcass!

 

[Couch Coach]

I don't really think that's the consensus over there - there is a considerable portion of our board who cringe whenever he is selected - but an equal portion who really rate him.

I personally don't understand why you're interested enough in him now to give him a tour of facilities. Seems odd. But the reality is each of Witts, Cloke and Jong (ignoring "potential" or our own biased views on their ability) is a fringe 22 player, in the case of Jong for a potential top 4 team, and in the case of Witts and Cloke, for a team which has not been in the top half of the ladder for a while. Each player has many younger and more talented players in front of them. Both teams' supporters are likely to overrate their own players and what they think they're worth, and undervalue the opposition team's potential trade target (and s****** at what posters on each side are saying!)

Well reasoned post Unnamed1,
What makes it very questionable from a pies supporters position is we don't have great depth in KPF's or Rucks (Grundy, Cox and then who if Witts leaves). So why would we trade from our shallow depth areas to pick up a player who would be competing in our strongest depth area.
In addition to this we need 2nd / 3rd round draft picks for F&S Brown and Daicos and we don't have a 1st round pick this year due to the Treloar trade.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Well reasoned post Unnamed1,
What makes it very questionable from a pies supporters position is we don't have great depth in KPF's or Rucks (Grundy, Cox and then who if Witts leaves). So why would we trade from our shallow depth areas to pick up a player who would be competing in our strongest depth area.
In addition to this we need 2nd / 3rd round draft picks for F&S Brown and Daicos and we don't have a 1st round pick this year due to the Treloar trade.

If Witts is a part of any rumoured trade then it may well be Witts for Jong and a pick, but I suspect this is more about Jong getting the word from within the Dogs he should start looking elsewhere

 

[pablo disco bar]

Not sure why everyone is losing their shit. Until we know what we will pay for him, no use getting carried away with it. It may be they have shown some interest is an Oxley or Brown (free agent) or whoever and we are looking at a straight swap.

I think Jong brings in pace and hardness which is what we need. He was a high draft pick so can obviously play, but probably needs to play consistent footy.
I don't think it's a bad move at all at this stage.

No he was a rookie

 

[domin8tors]

I hope we aren't targeting him. given that we all wish to pick up Brown and Daicos. our Midfield / high half forward stocks are covered. we need quality talls to pick up in trade / FA .

 

[jackcass]

Straight swap for Gault and I'm in!

 

[Lefthanded]

Straight swap for Gault and I'm in!

Doggies short on cash, need more Golds

 

[The Dawes]

I hope we aren't targeting him. given that we all wish to pick up Brown and Daicos. our Midfield / high half forward stocks are covered. we need quality talls to pick up in trade / FA .

me too. If we trade it must be needs based, Jong isn't a need.

Think he'd be a better fit at Essendon.

 

[TW Sherrin]

MM a hypocrite???? Butter wouldn't melt in that blokes mouth jackcass!

you'd have to remove daisy's .... to get the butter in.

 

[Anzacday]

What's the big deal.
He paid $15 and got a tour of our facilities.

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

Going after players like Jong lol. Seriously! We are becoming the Lakers of the AFL.

I wouldn't want him if he came for free and we only paid half of his salary. Need to move past dud users. If you can't use the ball then it's a no, like the criteria they have at Hawthorn.

I think Oxley is a dud but I would still take him over Jong any day of the week.

 

[Big Bryza]

Can't kick, no thank you.

 

[Unnamed1]

If Witts is a part of any rumoured trade then it may well be Witts for Jong and a pick, but I suspect this is more about Jong getting the word from within the Dogs he should start looking elsewhere

I agree with you on that, we must have told Jong to look around. I can't see you letting Witts go unless he forces your hand by not signing a new contract with you, in which case it's more likely going to be palatable for you if he wants to go to a club which has picks to burn to allow you to accumulate F/S points.

While it's a separate topic, I do feel for you that you're having to scramble to get points to draft F/S players in a system contrived to deal with the GWS zoning rort - especially given we only had to spend 22&40 on Wallis & Libba who were at the top end of talent in the 2010 draft

 

[The Dawes]

If Witts is a part of any rumoured trade then it may well be Witts for Jong and a pick, but I suspect this is more about Jong getting the word from within the Dogs he should start looking elsewhere

even if Jong is being used as a potential make-weight in a deal for Witts, I fail to see why we would be interested - don't see him addressing a deficiency on our list.

 

[Lockyer24]

We seem hell bent on building a deep list of C graders. Bit disillusioned

 

[TradeDraft]

Jong is a foot soldier, we have plenty of them.

Bucks love his Foot Soliders

 

[TradeDraft]

I actually don't want to lose him. If he can tidy up his skills he could be an absolute weapon. He smashes packs. The Asian Danger!

You can keep him. We don't need him

 

[Lefthanded]

We seem hell bent on building a deep list of C graders. Bit disillusioned

Maybe Dogs have told Jong to test the market because he's asking for too much and a tour of Pies sells newspapers. No evidence we are hell bent on him, if any player that's getting some senior games asked us for a tour we'd be silly to say no, just from a PR point of view. Heck for all we know Jong might be best friends with a Stringer, Bonts or other star.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I'll just add one more thing before I leave you guys to your discussion...

Most here seem to think that you guys are really keen on him or that Bucks has sought him out. It's also very likely that Jong's management contacted the Pies and said "Lin is keeping his options open, mind if we come have a look?"

In which case any club would be crazy to refuse.

 

[TradeDraft]

Maybe Dogs have told Jong to test the market because he's asking for too much and a tour of Pies sells newspapers. No evidence we are hell bent on him, if any player that's getting some senior games asked us for a tour we'd be silly to say no, just from a PR point of view. Heck for all we know Jong might be best friends with a Stringer, Bonts or other star.

Him taking a Tour at Least Shows there is Interest from Both Parties

 

[eddiebankbalance]

No!

Now please close this thread and shred it!

 

[The Dawes]

I'll just add one more thing before I leave you guys to your discussion...

Most here seem to think that you guys are really keen on him or that Bucks has sought him out. It's also very likely that Jong's management contacted the Pies and said "Lin is keeping his options open, mind if we come have a look?"

In which case any club would be crazy to refuse.

Buckley saves all his serious negotiations for his Balinese holidays, if Lin Jong bobs up there in October we should be concerned