Injury Lincoln McCarthy Groin Issue (Edit: Groin Issue Resolved)

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Farmer2Goggin said:
We're not alone though - look at the Pies and Freeman ( chronic hamstrings) - been on the list since 2012 and hasn't played a game yet?
I'm sure there are similar examples at other Clubs
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Alex Johnson (?) at the Swans...multiple ACL's..Morabito at Freo...there's heaps...
 

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Spazz Cat said:
Paul Lynch was actually awesome before he did his hammy though.
Ecxept for one quarter against Stkilda, Linc has been sub par really.
More overrated than Cyril on here.
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Totally agree.
PaulLynch was one player I'd pay to watch- rare talent.
Interesting fact, iirc, he never atually tore a hammy, it was more back related recurrent hamstring pain.
They sent him to the AIS to try to get it sorted.
I bumped into him in 07 at a home game in Geelong and he mentioned he was back playing for Colac and doing "ok".
One game for Colac in 2001 he kicked 19 goals and had 26 shots. Yep, a talent.

Linc is only P



potential
 
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Partridge said:
Absence from the playing field does amazing things for your reputation on here.
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True.
Gregson another player whose stocks have risen whilst injured. Some are even talking about him being trade value. I fail to see what value he or Linc would be to another team- they would have no idea if these guys can play.
 
Vdubs said:
True.
Gregson another player whose stocks have risen whilst injured. Some are even talking about him being trade value. I fail to see what value he or Linc would be to another team- they would have no idea if these guys can play.
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I think with some of them the assumption is they will improve at the same rate as other players. Gregson was at the level he needed to be first year and was a nice enough player considering his draft position. Assuming all players improve after their first I can understand why people think he could be handy to have back in the side in this his 3rd year.
 
Vdubs said:
True.
Gregson another player whose stocks have risen whilst injured. Some are even talking about him being trade value. I fail to see what value he or Linc would be to another team- they would have no idea if these guys can play.
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I love Linc, but Gregson has at least shown a fair bit more... he put together a pretty bloody good 1st year after all.
 

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While Linc and Gregerson have shown something, its clear we had to move on as well, based on durability. I honestly think Fogerty and Myers were a bonus in that we didn't plan for Fogerty to be there at our first pick, or Myers later in the draft. So, if they are durable, they will be played as our key small pressure forward/s and go past Linc and Gregerson. I heard a race horse trainer say that out of the pool of potential racehorses, some aren't fast enough, some cant compete, and a lot are not durable enough to stand the level of training and physical wear and tear of racing. I think there is some truth for footballers in the AFL - drafting can sort out basic athletic skills and game sense, etc but they haven't been tested in the durablity stakes as full time footballers. I feel for Linc and Cory as they have done nothing but try their hardest, and it must be frustrating. However, as I said, either was the G train for small forwards is leaving the station in 2018, and we will have a couple playing every week for sure.
 
What's the odds of Linc sitting out the first half of the season recovering from injury, returning to play a month (or so) of VFL before coming into the senior side late in the year, holding his place and getting a new contract for next year before getting injured on the first day of pre-season?
 
Farmer2Goggin said:
We're not alone though - look at the Pies and Freeman ( chronic hamstrings) - been on the list since 2012 and hasn't played a game yet?
I'm sure there are similar examples at other Clubs
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Perhaps. I wonder how many clubs kept as many players with long term issues at the same time though. We had Menzel, Cowan, Vardy, Clark, and McCarthy all on the list - and all frequently out of action - at the same time. Only Menzel has managed to make it back consistently, and even then it's marginal whether it was a success or not.
 
you pick one said:
I had the distinct feeling the continue success the club had in the last decade which leads to to poorer draft picks was in part responsible for a conscious decision by Wells and the club to gamble on taking players with good credentials past over by other clubs because of injury, we imported some of our problems on a risk and reward basis.
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Disagree with this. The picks aren't that much poorer. If you win the flag your first pick will still be in the high teens. It's not like you're relegated to pick 50 or anything. Look at the best two players we have developed in the last decade - Harry Taylor and Mitch Duncan. Both were drafted in a premiership year - Taylor was pick 17, and Duncan was pick 28. Pretty good return I'd argue.

And I'm not sure that the gambles were about players with good credentials. Look at two of the most injury prone players we've had (and have): Josh Cowan and now Lincoln McCarthy. Cowan was pick 56, and McCarthy was pick 66. If they had good credentials they would have been taken a lot sooner.
 
Partridge said:
Disagree with this. The picks aren't that much poorer. If you win the flag your first pick will still be in the high teens. It's not like you're relegated to pick 50 or anything. Look at the best two players we have developed in the last decade - Harry Taylor and Mitch Duncan. Both were drafted in a premiership year - Taylor was pick 17, and Duncan was pick 28. Pretty good return I'd argue.

And I'm not sure that the gambles were about players with good credentials. Look at two of the most injury prone players we've had (and have): Josh Cowan and now Lincoln McCarthy. Cowan was pick 56, and McCarthy was pick 66. If they had good credentials they would have been taken a lot sooner.
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Not so sure that paints an accurate picture.

Pick 17: Sam Blease, Daniel Menzel, Shaun Atley, Clay Smith, Josh Simpson, Michael Apeness, Kyle Langford, Tom Doedee, Jarred Berry.
Pick 28: Shaun McKernan, Mitch Duncan, Ryan Lester, Fraser McInnes, Tim O'Brien, Lewis Taylor, Dylan Viojo-Rainbow, Luke Partington, Patrick Lipinski.

Pretty average bunch so yeah I'd say there is a difference between picks that top sides get (17) and sides missing finals get (1-10).
 
Partridge said:
Perhaps. I wonder how many clubs kept as many players with long term issues at the same time though. We had Menzel, Cowan, Vardy, Clark, and McCarthy all on the list - and all frequently out of action - at the same time. Only Menzel has managed to make it back consistently, and even then it's marginal whether it was a success or not.
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Agree P - we also carried McIntosh to add to that list.
Odds are at only one time rehab room will be in operation - just don't want it overcrowded and hope visits are short term :)
 
Partridge said:
Disagree with this. The picks aren't that much poorer. If you win the flag your first pick will still be in the high teens. It's not like you're relegated to pick 50 or anything. Look at the best two players we have developed in the last decade - Harry Taylor and Mitch Duncan. Both were drafted in a premiership year - Taylor was pick 17, and Duncan was pick 28. Pretty good return I'd argue.

And I'm not sure that the gambles were about players with good credentials. Look at two of the most injury prone players we've had (and have): Josh Cowan and now Lincoln McCarthy. Cowan was pick 56, and McCarthy was pick 66. If they had good credentials they would have been taken a lot sooner.
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I have heard commentators call for the draft to be revised due to the fact the teams at the bottom of the ladder really do not gain enough advantage over the top teams and that it takes far to long to rebuild because of this. They have a point. The 18th team and the first team basically have the same picks except for one extra pick the 18th team gets. Bottom gets 1 then its 18,19 .. 36,37 etc ... Highly valuable but if that player doesn't become the player they hoped for it leave their drafted talent with no advantage over the best club.

Im not denying the value of those early picks , just that it places the corrective socialistic levers are very much all on the selection a few players in a list build. I think these guys should be the icing , maybe the difference between flag and not but the main guts of a competitive list build has to come from making the most of your later picks. Wells seems to be master of this , he looks for value the unloved , the over looked , the late developer and underperformer but he has at times brought in troubled players in an effort to do this. McCarthy was late but Cockatoo was early ..and he was known as a player with his body concerns. From memory Smedts had his issue too. Its all risk/reward.. and we might not have Selwood if he had not been prepared to do this.

Linc may have gone earlier ...im not sure. Certainly talented enough to go earlier... at some stage we will have to assess if its unlikely he will be able to get his body to a level of being resilient. The development of other players has probably taken the pressure off to some degree but even guys like Cowan were let go eventually. I just hope Linc can get his body right to show us what he is really capable of.
 
Geelong Dynasty said:
Linc was good yesterday
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He has rarely played poorly when he has been given they opportunity to play, the problem is that he has rarely played due to injury
 
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