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RussellEbertHandball said:
Ok so we are only missing 1884. 1890 and 1897 premiership players.

Anyone know where we can dig up the losing GF players as well? There might be some poor bastards who played in 5 losing GF's 1966,67,68,71 and 72. Dont reckon anyone would have made it 6 playing up to 1976.
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I checked the excellent australianfootball.com website's SANFL section. They don't cover the 1884 or 1890 season. In 1897 they seem to suggest there was no finals series and Port were Premiers that year on the basis of being top after the H & A season. I would not be at all surprised if there is no specific GF team for those first three premierships.

Unfortunately the Trove website stops at the end of 1954 for the Advertiser so you'd have to head down to North Terrace and dig up the microfiche in the Mortlock Library for those losing GF teams. I never thought to look when I was there but did they microfiche the "Budget" as well?
 
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I checked the excellent australianfootball.com website's SANFL section. They don't cover the 1884 or 1890 season. In 1897 they seem to suggest there was no finals series and Port were Premiers that year on the basis of being top after the H & A season. I would not be at all surprised if there is no specific GF team for those first three premierships.
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Of course there were no GF's before 1898 and three times they had to play a one off final to determine who won the title that year. We lost one of them in 1889 and then won the flag the next year. how did I forget that.

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1880 4th of 4 teams Adelaide, South Adelaide, Norwood and Port.
1896 5th of 5 teams South Adelaide, Norwood, North Adelaide, Port Natives and Port Adelaide
1900 6th of 6 teams NA, SA, WT, Nor, WA, Port.
 
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Premiership results - at Adelaide Oval ie the 20 flags we won in GF's there. The 1884,1890 and 1897 premierships were won based on finishing top of the league at the end of the home and away season - ie no finals unless it was to be a tie breaker GF for the two sides that ended the season with equal number of wins. Geez we won a lot of close ones under the Fos era.

1903 Port Adelaide 6.6 d South Adelaide 5.5................ 7 pts
1906 Port Adelaide 8.12 d North Adelaide 5.9.............. 21 pts

1910 Port Adelaide 8.12 d Sturt 5.11.......................... 19 pts
1913 Port Adelaide 7.12 d North Adelaide 5.10............ 14 pts
1914 Port Adelaide 13.15 d North Adelaide 1.8............ 79 pts

1921 Port Adelaide 4.8 d Norwood 3.6........................ 8 pts
1928 Port Adelaide 15.14 d Norwood 7.14.................. 48 pts

1936 Port Adelaide 13.19 d Sturt 14.10...................... 3 pts
1937 Port Adelaide 13.16 d South Adelaide 9.16......... 24 pts
1939 Port Adelaide 16.28 d West Torrens 11.11.......... 47 pts

1951 Port Adelaide 10.12 d North Adelaide 8.13........... 11 pts
1954 Port Adelaide 11.13 d West Adelaide 10.16........... 3 pts
1955 Port Adelaide 15.11 d Norwood 5.8..................... 63 pts
1956 Port Adelaide 12.9 d West Adelaide 9.11.............. 10 pts
1957 Port Adelaide 15.15 d Norwood 13.16.................. 11 pts
1958 Port Adelaide 14.10 d West Adelaide 14.8............. 2 pts
1959 Port Adelaide 13.9 d West Adelaide 11.11............ 10 pts

1962 Port Adelaide 8.10 d West Adelaide 7.13............... 3 pts
1963 Port Adelaide 11.14 d North Adelaide 6.11............ 33 pts
1965 Port Adelaide 12.8 d Sturt 12.5............................ 3 pts

Grand Finals lost at AO. We lost 24 before move to Footy Park - 1 to break the tie in the league system era and 23 since start of finals system including first one in 1898. We lost a lot of close ones pre WWI and 3 in the 1930's.

1889: Norwood 7 goals def Port Adelaide 5 goals
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1898: South Adelaide 8.8 (56) def Port Adelaide 4.8 (32)........... 24 pts

1901: Norwood 4.9 (33) def Port Adelaide 4.5 (29).................... 4 pts
1904: Norwood 9.8 (62) def Port Adelaide 8.10 (58).................. 4 pts
1905: North Adelaide 6.8 (44) def Port Adelaide 1.6 (12)........... 32 pts
1907: Norwood 8.7 (55) def Port Adelaide 3.9 (27).................... 28 pts
1909: West Adelaide 7.17 (59) def Port Adelaide 6.5 (41)........... 18 pts

1911: West Adelaide 7.9 (51) def Port Adelaide 6.10 (46)........... 5 pts
1912: West Adelaide 6.10 (46) def Port Adelaide 5.2 (32)........... 14 pts
1915: Sturt 6.10 (46) def Port Adelaide 4.10 (34)...................... 12 pts

1929: Norwood 16.14 (110) def Port Adelaide 10.9 (69)............. 41 pts

1930: North Adelaide 9.13 (67) def Port Adelaide 9.9 (63).......... 4 pts
1934: Glenelg 18.15 (123) def Port 16.18 (114)........................ 9 pts
1935: South Adelaide 15.9 (99) def Port Adelaide 13.13 (91)...... 8 pts
1938: South Adelaide 23.14 (152) def Port Adelaide 15.16 (106) 46 pts

1945: West Torrens 15.25 (115) def Port Adelaide 15.12 (102)... 13 pts
1946: Norwood 13.14 (92) def Port Adelaide 9.10 (64)............... 28 pts

1953: West Torrens 9.13 (67) def Port Adelaide 8.12 (60)........... 7 pts

1964: South Adelaide 9.15 (69) def Port Adelaide 5.12 (42)........ 27 pts
1966: Sturt 16.16 (112) def Port Adelaide 8.8 (56).................... 56 pts
1967: Sturt 13.10 (88) def Port Adelaide 10.17 (77).................. 11 pts
1968: Sturt 12.18 (90) def Port Adelaide 9.9 (63)...................... 27 pts

42. 1971: North Adelaide 10.19 (79) def Port Adelaide 9.5 (59)... 20 pts
43. 1972: North Adelaide 19.14 (128) def Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) 56 pts

Since AO redevelopment and re-unification have lost 2 more at AO both by less than a kick.

2014: Norwood 12.10 (82) def Port Adelaide 11.12 (78)............. 4 pts
2017: Sturt 7.8 (50) def Port Adelaide 7.7 (49)......................... 1 pt
 
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How much of the game would we recognise from back in the early years
compared to now, what with something like 200 rule changes, kicking , tackling, passing ?
Would be interesting if any olde film footage around that is still viable to watch----- pre 1970's
 
tamba said:
How much of the game would we recognise from back in the early years
compared to now, what with something like 200 rule changes, kicking , tackling, passing ?
Would be interesting if any olde film footage around that is still viable to watch----- pre 1970's
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This is 10 minutes of footage of the 1909 Grand Final, probably the earliest footage still in existence.

 
Scores of 13 flags won at Footy Park

1977 Port Adelaide 17.11 d Glenelg 16.9 ............ 8 pts
1979 Port Adelaide 9.9 d South Adelaide 3.14..... 31 pts

1980 Port Adelaide 11.15 d Norwood 9.9 ........... 18 pts
1981 Port Adelaide 14.11 d Glenelg 6.8 ............. 51 pts
1988 Port Adelaide 12.12 d Glenelg 8.7 ............. 29 pts
1989 Port Adelaide 15.18 d North Adelaide 1.8.... 94 pts

1990 Port Adelaide 16.12 d Glenelg 13.15 ......... 15 pts
1992 Port Adelaide 17.3 d Glenelg 7.7 .............. 56 pts
1994 Port Adelaide 15.16 d WWT 10.9 .............. 37 pts
1995 Port Adelaide 13.16 d Central Districts 6.10 48 pts
1996 Port Adelaide 11.14 d Central Districts 6.8.. 36 pts
1998 Port Adelaide 11.9 d Sturt 9.12................... 9 pts
1999 Port Adelaide 14.17 d Norwood 14.9 ........... 8 pts

Only lost 3 GF's at Footy Park
1976: Sturt 17.14 (116) def Port Adelaide 10.15 (75)...... 41 pts
1984: Norwood 15.10 (100) def Norwood 13.13 (91)....... 9 pts
1997: Norwood 19.12 (126) def Port Adelaide 7.11 (53).. 73 pts
 
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Put this in another thread but is a bit of info re premiership players. Dave Boyd's passing along with maybe 10 others the last 4 or 5 years of that golden generation of 1950-1970 has made me want to put this list together for awhile. I will stick it in here for now.

Won the First 7 under Fos and Mots captain coach era 1951, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959
John Abley (died 19 August 2011)
Dave Boyd (died 15 December 2017)
Ted Whelan (died 22 June 2015)

Won the 6 in a row guys that missed out on 1951
Geof Motley (+ 1962, 1963, 1965)
Neville Hayes (+ 1962, 1963)
Lloyd Zucker (died 21 September 2009)

Won the First 6 under Fos
Fos Williams ( died 1 September 2001)
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Marx Kretschmer

Won the First 5 under Fos
Harold McDonald (died 12 June 1999)

Won the last 5 in a row under Fos
Tom Garland

Won 6 out of the 10 under Fos and Mots
Peter Obst 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963 (died 11 May 2017)

Won 5 out of the 10 under Fos and Mots
Dave Gill ....... 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965
Don Thompson 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959 (died 29 July 2015)
Tom Williams 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959

There are about 18 players from that 1950-70 era that have won 3 or 4 of those 10 premierships. I think 5 of these 18 players have passed away in the last 4 or 5 years.
 
The premiership squad for the 1884, 1890 and 1897 flags. The first 3 flags were won under the League system ie if you topped the table at the end of the season you won the flag, no finals like the Euro soccer leagues. The first official grand final was 1898 but 2 'grand finals' had to held in 1889 and 1894 ( they had to replay that one the next weekend as both sides kicked 4 goals and only goals were counted) to separate the teams who won the same number of game at the end of those seasons.

From John Wood's 1995 book Simply The Best - The story of The Port Adelaide Football Club Part I 1870-1901 - pages 109 and 110

SgtSchulz you might want to update your wiki page in the new year.


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Port finished 2nd under the League system in
1879 (pink), 1883, **, 1887, 1888, 1889 (see GF below), **, 1891,1892 (all magenta) ** = flag years

So that is 6 more 2nd places out side of GF's

Flags 33 wining GFs + 3 League titles = 36
2nd place - lost 28 official GF's + 1 to sort out League title winner + 6 under League system = 35 times

Wooden spoon 1896 6th of 6 teams and 1900 7th of 7 teams. Also 1886 4th of 4 teams.

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-09-18/ports-grand-final-history
PORT ADELAIDE'S senior team is preparing for yet another grand final decider this weekend.

It what will be the club's 62nd official appearance in an end-of-season decider, the Magpies will face the Double Blues for a chance at premiership glory. Port Adelaide has a long history in grand finals, having played in the very first way back in 1889 against Norwood. Back then, Port was nicknamed the 'Magentas' and wore blue and magenta striped jackets.

In the early days of South Australian football, it was customary for the team that finished top of the ladder to be awarded the premiership, but when Port and Norwood tied that year, a one-off decider was played. Unfortunately, Norwood took the title, winning the decider 7 goals to 5. Port next battled South in the 1898 final. Again falling short, this time by 24 points, and in 1901 against Norwood by four. In fact for a club that has a storied reputation of success, Port Adelaide lost its first three deciders.

First success
Port Adelaide tasted grand final success - and its fourth premiership overall - in 1903.

There, after losing the first 'final' to South, the Magpies as minor premiers were entitled to a 'challenge' match, which they won by seven points. Disappointment came again in 1904 and 1907 against Norwood, 1905 against North, and 1909 against West. Only one other premiership for the decade - in 1906 - would grace the halls at Alberton. It was only at the turn of the decade that Port really began to build its reputation as a finals performer.


1902 was the first year of the Magpies wharf pylon design jumper.

Port Adelaide's grand finals
1. 1889: Norwood 7 goals def Port Adelaide 5 goals at Adelaide Oval
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forced due to tie in League system
2. 1898: South Adelaide 8.8 (56) def Port Adelaide 4.8 (32) at Adelaide Oval
3. 1901: Norwood 4.9 (33) def Port Adelaide 4.5 (29) at Adelaide Oval
4. 1903: Port Adelaide 6.6 (42) def South Adelaide 5.5 (35) at Adelaide Oval
5. 1904: Norwood 9.8 (62) def Port Adelaide 8.10 (58) at Jubilee Oval
6. 1905: North Adelaide 6.8 (44) def Port Adelaide 1.6 (12) at Adelaide Oval
7. 1906: Port Adelaide 8.12 (60) def North Adelaide 5.9 (39) at Adelaide Oval
8. 1907: Norwood 8.7 (55) def Port Adelaide 3.9 (27) at Adelaide Oval
9. 1909: West Adelaide 7.17 (59) def Port Adelaide 6.5 (41) at Adelaide Oval
10. 1910: Port Adelaide 6.13 (49) def Sturt 6.9 (45) at Adelaide Oval
11. 1911: West Adelaide 7.9 (51) def Port Adelaide 6.10 (46) at Adelaide Oval
12. 1912: West Adelaide 5.2 (32) def Port Adelaide 9.9 (63) at Adelaide Oval WA 6.10 (46) def PA 5.2 (32)
13. 1913: Port Adelaide 7.12 (54) def North Adelaide 5.10 (40) at Adelaide Oval
14. 1914: Port Adelaide 13.15 (93) def North Adelaide 1.8 (14) at Adelaide Oval
15. 1915: Sturt 6.10 (46) def Port Adelaide 4.10 (34) at Adelaide Oval
16. 1921: Port Adelaide 4.8 (32) def Norwood 3.6 (24) at Adelaide Oval
17. 1928: Port Adelaide 15.14 (104) def Norwood 7.14 (56) at Adelaide Oval
18. 1929: Norwood 16.14 (110) def Port Adelaide 10.9 (69) at Adelaide Oval
19. 1930: North Adelaide 9.13 (67) def Port Adelaide 9.9 (63) at Adelaide Oval
20. 1934: Glenelg 18.15 (123) def Glenelg 16.18 (114) at Adelaide Oval
21. 1935: South Adelaide 15.9 (99) def Port Adelaide 13.13 (91) at Adelaide Oval
22. 1936: Port Adelaide 13.19 (97) def Sturt 14.10 (94) at Adelaide Oval
23. 1937: Port Adelaide 13.16 (94) def South Adelaide 9.16 (70) at Adelaide Oval
24. 1938: South Adelaide 23.14 (152) def Port Adelaide 15.16 (106) at Adelaide Oval
25. 1939: Port Adelaide 16.28 (124) def West Torrens 11.11 (77) at Adelaide Oval
26. 1945: West Torrens 15.25 (115) def Port Adelaide 15.12 (102) at Adelaide Oval
27. 1946: Norwood 13.14 (92) def Port Adelaide 9.10 (64) at Adelaide Oval
28. 1951: Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) def North Adelaide 8.13 (61) at Adelaide Oval
29. 1953: West Torrens 9.13 (67) def Port Adelaide 8.12 (60) at Adelaide Oval
30. 1954: Port Adelaide 11.13 (79) def West Adelaide 10.16 (76) at Adelaide Oval
31. 1955: Port Adelaide 15.11 (101) def Norwood 5.8 (38) at Adelaide Oval
32. 1956: Port Adelaide 12.9 (81) def West Adelaide 9.11 (65) at Adelaide Oval
33. 1957: Port Adelaide 15.15 (105) def Norwood 13.16 (94) at Adelaide Oval
34. 1958: Port Adelaide 14.10 (94) def West Adelaide 14.8 (92) at Adelaide Oval
35. 1959: Port Adelaide 13.9 (87) def West Adelaide 11.11 (77) at Adelaide Oval
36. 1962: Port Adelaide 8.10 (58) def West Adelaide 7.13 (55) at Adelaide Oval
37. 1963: Port Adelaide 11.14 (80) def North Adelaide 6.11 (47) at Adelaide Oval
38. 1964: South Adelaide 9.15 (69) def Port Adelaide 5.12 (42) at Adelaide Oval
39. 1965: Port Adelaide 12.8 (80) def Sturt 12.5 (77) at Adelaide Oval
40. 1966: Sturt 16.16 (112) def Port Adelaide 8.8 (56) at Adelaide Oval
41. 1967: Sturt 13.10 (88) def Port Adelaide 10.17 (77) at Adelaide Oval
**** Mathew Agius' list forgot 1968 Sturt 12.18 d Port Adelaide 9.9 - that is #42
42. 1971: North Adelaide 10.19 (79) def Port Adelaide 9.5 (59) at Adelaide Oval
43. 1972: North Adelaide 19.14 (128) def Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) at Adelaide Oval
44. 1976: Sturt 17.14 (116) def Port Adelaide 10.15 (75) at Football Park
**** Mathew Agius' list jumps from 44 to 46
46. 1977: Port Adelaide 17.11 (113) def Glenelg 16.9 (105) at Football Park
47. 1979: Port Adelaide 9.9 (63) def South Adelaide 3.14 (32) at Football Park
48. 1980: Port Adelaide 11.15 (81) def Norwood 9.9 (63) at Football Park
49. 1981: Port Adelaide 14.11 (95) def Glenelg 6.8 (44) at Football Park
50. 1984: Norwood 15.10 (100) def Norwood 13.13 (91) at Football Park
51. 1988: Port Adelaide 12.12 (84) def Glenelg 8.7 (55) at Football Park
52. 1989: Port Adelaide 15.18 (108) def North Adeladie 1.8 (14) at Football Park
53. 1990: Port Adelaide 16.12 (108) def Glenelg 13.15 (93) at Football Park
54. 1992: Port Adelaide 17.3 (105) def Glenelg 7.7 (49) at Football Park
55. 1994: Port Adelaide 15.16 (106) def Woodville-West Torrens 10.9 (69) at Football Park
56. 1995: Port Adelaide 13.16 (94) def Central District 6.10 (46) at Football Park
57. 1996: Port Adelaide 11.14 (80) def Central District 6.8 (44) at Football Park
58. 1997: Norwood 19.12 (126) def Port Adelaide 7.11 (53) at Football Park
59. 1998: Port Adelaide 11.9 (75) def Sturt 9.12 (66) at Football Park
60. 1999: Port Adelaide 14.17 (101) def Norwood 14.9 (93) at Football Park
61. 2014: Norwood 11.12 (78) def Port Adelaide 12.10 (82) at Adelaide Oval
62. 2017: Sturt 7.8 (50) def Port Adelaide 7.7 (49) at Adelaide Oval


EDIT DIDN'T PICK IT UP AT THE TIME BUT MATTHEW AGIUS IN 2017 FORGOT THE 1968 GF Port lost
Sturt 12.18 d Port Adelaide 9.9 - that is #42
BUT HE JUMPS FROM 44 IN 1976 TO 46 IN 1977, SO 62 GF'S IS CORRECT TOTAL.

Patriotic Football League (World War I)

1916: Port Adelaide 7.11 (53) def West Torrens 1.13 (19) at Hindmarsh Oval
1917: Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) def West Torrens 8.8 (56) at Alberton Oval
1918: West Adelaide 13.16 (94) def Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) at Jubilee Oval

SANFL Combined Teams (World War II)

1942: Port-Torrens 18.12 (120) def West-Glenelg 16.13 (109) at Adelaide Oval
1943. Norwood-North 12.10 (82) def Port-Torrens 8.13 (61) at Adelaide Oval
1944. Norwood-North 9.7 (61) def Port-Torrens 7.13 (55) at Adelaide Oval

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-09-18/ports-grand-final-history
 
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RussellEbertHandball said:
Port finished 2nd under the League system in
1879 (pink), 1883, **, 1887, 1888, 1889 (see GF below), **, 1891,1892 (all magenta) ** = flag years

So that is 6 more 2nd places out side of GF's

Flags 33 wining GFs + 3 League titles = 36
2nd place - lost 28 official GF's + 1 to sort out League title winner + 6 under League system = 35 times

Wooden spoon 1896 6th of 6 teams and 1900 7th of 7 teams.

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-09-18/ports-grand-final-history
PORT ADELAIDE'S senior team is preparing for yet another grand final decider this weekend.

It what will be the club's 62nd official appearance in an end-of-season decider, the Magpies will face the Double Blues for a chance at premiership glory. Port Adelaide has a long history in grand finals, having played in the very first way back in 1889 against Norwood. Back then, Port was nicknamed the 'Magentas' and wore blue and magenta striped jackets.

In the early days of South Australian football, it was customary for the team that finished top of the ladder to be awarded the premiership, but when Port and Norwood tied that year, a one-off decider was played. Unfortunately, Norwood took the title, winning the decider 7 goals to 5. Port next battled South in the 1898 final. Again falling short, this time by 24 points, and in 1901 against Norwood by four. In fact for a club that has a storied reputation of success, Port Adelaide lost its first three deciders.

First success
Port Adelaide tasted grand final success - and its fourth premiership overall - in 1903.

There, after losing the first 'final' to South, the Magpies as minor premiers were entitled to a 'challenge' match, which they won by seven points. Disappointment came again in 1904 and 1907 against Norwood, 1905 against North, and 1909 against West. Only one other premiership for the decade - in 1906 - would grace the halls at Alberton. It was only at the turn of the decade that Port really began to build its reputation as a finals performer.


1902 was the first year of the Magpies wharf pylon design jumper.

Port Adelaide's grand finals
1. 1889: Norwood 7 goals def Port Adelaide 5 goals at Adelaide Oval
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forced due to tie in League system
2. 1898: South Adelaide 8.8 (56) def Port Adelaide 4.8 (32) at Adelaide Oval
3. 1901: Norwood 4.9 (33) def Port Adelaide 4.5 (29) at Adelaide Oval
4. 1903: Port Adelaide 6.6 (42) def South Adelaide 5.5 (35) at Adelaide Oval
5. 1904: Norwood 9.8 (62) def Port Adelaide 8.10 (58) at Jubilee Oval
6. 1905: North Adelaide 6.8 (44) def Port Adelaide 1.6 (12) at Adelaide Oval
7. 1906: Port Adelaide 8.12 (60) def North Adelaide 5.9 (39) at Adelaide Oval
8. 1907: Norwood 8.7 (55) def Port Adelaide 3.9 (27) at Adelaide Oval
9. 1909: West Adelaide 7.17 (59) def Port Adelaide 6.5 (41) at Adelaide Oval
10. 1910: Port Adelaide 6.13 (49) def Sturt 6.9 (45) at Adelaide Oval
11. 1911: West Adelaide 7.9 (51) def Port Adelaide 6.10 (46) at Adelaide Oval
12. 1912: West Adelaide 5.2 (32) def Port Adelaide 9.9 (63) at Adelaide Oval
13. 1913: Port Adelaide 7.12 (54) def North Adelaide 5.10 (40) at Adelaide Oval
14. 1914: Port Adelaide 13.15 (93) def North Adelaide 1.8 (14) at Adelaide Oval
15. 1915: Sturt 6.10 (46) def Port Adelaide 4.10 (34) at Adelaide Oval
16. 1921: Port Adelaide 4.8 (32) def Norwood 3.6 (24) at Adelaide Oval
17. 1928: Port Adelaide 15.14 (104) def Norwood 7.14 (56) at Adelaide Oval
18. 1929: Norwood 16.14 (110) def Port Adelaide 10.9 (69) at Adelaide Oval
19. 1930: North Adelaide 9.13 (67) def Port Adelaide 9.9 (63) at Adelaide Oval
20. 1934: Glenelg 18.15 (123) def Glenelg 16.18 (114) at Adelaide Oval
21. 1935: South Adelaide 15.9 (99) def Port Adelaide 13.13 (91) at Adelaide Oval
22. 1936: Port Adelaide 13.19 (97) def Sturt 14.10 (94) at Adelaide Oval
23. 1937: Port Adelaide 13.16 (94) def South Adelaide 9.16 (70) at Adelaide Oval
24. 1938: South Adelaide 23.14 (152) def Port Adelaide 15.16 (106) at Adelaide Oval
25. 1939: Port Adelaide 16.28 (124) def West Torrens 11.11 (77) at Adelaide Oval
26. 1945: West Torrens 15.25 (115) def Port Adelaide 15.12 (102) at Adelaide Oval
27. 1946: Norwood 13.14 (92) def Port Adelaide 9.10 (64) at Adelaide Oval
28. 1951: Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) def North Adelaide 8.13 (61) at Adelaide Oval
29. 1953: West Torrens 9.13 (67) def Port Adelaide 8.12 (60) at Adelaide Oval
30. 1954: Port Adelaide 11.13 (79) def West Adelaide 10.16 (76) at Adelaide Oval
31. 1955: Port Adelaide 15.11 (101) def Norwood 5.8 (38) at Adelaide Oval
32. 1956: Port Adelaide 12.9 (81) def West Adelaide 9.11 (65) at Adelaide Oval
33. 1957: Port Adelaide 15.15 (105) def Norwood 13.16 (94) at Adelaide Oval
34. 1958: Port Adelaide 14.10 (94) def West Adelaide 14.8 (92) at Adelaide Oval
35. 1959: Port Adelaide 13.9 (87) def West Adelaide 11.11 (77) at Adelaide Oval
36. 1962: Port Adelaide 8.10 (58) def West Adelaide 7.13 (55) at Adelaide Oval
37. 1963: Port Adelaide 11.14 (80) def North Adelaide 6.11 (47) at Adelaide Oval
38. 1964: South Adelaide 9.15 (69) def Port Adelaide 5.12 (42) at Adelaide Oval
39. 1965: Port Adelaide 12.8 (80) def Sturt 12.5 (77) at Adelaide Oval
40. 1966: Sturt 16.16 (112) def Port Adelaide 8.8 (56) at Adelaide Oval
41. 1967: Sturt 13.10 (88) def Port Adelaide 10.17 (77) at Adelaide Oval
42. 1971: North Adelaide 10.19 (79) def Port Adelaide 9.5 (59) at Adelaide Oval
43. 1972: North Adelaide 19.14 (128) def Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) at Adelaide Oval
44. 1976: Sturt 17.14 (116) def Port Adelaide 10.15 (75) at Football Park
46. 1977: Port Adelaide 17.11 (113) def Glenelg 16.9 (105) at Football Park
47. 1979: Port Adelaide 9.9 (63) def South Adelaide 3.14 (32) at Football Park
48. 1980: Port Adelaide 11.15 (81) def Norwood 9.9 (63) at Football Park
49. 1981: Port Adelaide 14.11 (95) def Glenelg 6.8 (44) at Football Park
50. 1984: Norwood 15.10 (100) def Norwood 13.13 (91) at Football Park
51. 1988: Port Adelaide 12.12 (84) def Glenelg 8.7 (55) at Football Park
52. 1989: Port Adelaide 15.18 (108) def North Adeladie 1.8 (14) at Football Park
53. 1990: Port Adelaide 16.12 (108) def Glenelg 13.15 (93) at Football Park
54. 1992: Port Adelaide 17.3 (105) def Glenelg 7.7 (49) at Football Park
55. 1994: Port Adelaide 15.16 (106) def Woodville-West Torrens 10.9 (69) at Football Park
56. 1995: Port Adelaide 13.16 (94) def Central District 6.10 (46) at Football Park
57. 1996: Port Adelaide 11.14 (80) def Central District 6.8 (44) at Football Park
58. 1997: Norwood 19.12 (126) def Port Adelaide 7.11 (53) at Football Park
59. 1998: Port Adelaide 11.9 (75) def Sturt 9.12 (66) at Football Park
60. 1999: Port Adelaide 14.17 (101) def Norwood 14.9 (93) at Football Park
61. 2014: Norwood 11.12 (78) def Port Adelaide 12.10 (82) at Adelaide Oval
62. 2017: Sturt 7.8 (50) def Port Adelaide 7.7 (49) at Adelaide Oval

Patriotic Football League (World War I)

1916: Port Adelaide 7.11 (53) def West Torrens 1.13 (19) at Hindmarsh Oval
1917: Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) def West Torrens 8.8 (56) at Alberton Oval
1918: West Adelaide 13.16 (94) def Port Adelaide 10.12 (72) at Jubilee Oval

SANFL Combined Teams (World War II)

1942: Port-Torrens 18.12 (120) def West-Glenelg 16.13 (109) at Adelaide Oval
1943. Norwood-North 12.10 (82) def Port-Torrens 8.13 (61) at Adelaide Oval
1944. Norwood-North 9.7 (61) def Port-Torrens 7.13 (55) at Adelaide Oval

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-09-18/ports-grand-final-history
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I've checked once. Port still has more top-2 finishes than Norwood and Sturt combined.
 

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Ford Fairlane said:
Neil Kerley talks about the infamous goal post lopping after the 1958 grand final.

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I don't know if knuckles mentioned it, but the Adelaide oval curator ( who was probably Arthur Lance back then ) used to live in a house that was inside the oval grounds and just behind the mound at the river end.
He must have been a very heavy sleeper as the echo of the axe hitting the goal post would have been incredibly noisy at night in an empty stadium.
 
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I've checked once. Port still has more top-2 finishes than Norwood and Sturt combined.
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The club says 36 firsts and 36 seconds but I make it 35 seconds = 71

Not sure what history books you have been reading but I make it

Norwood 30 firsts + 22 seconds = 52 (Pre 1898 official grand finals they finished 11 firsts and 6 seconds but in 1889 they beat in a final Port to determine first place and also in 1894 beat South in 2 finals first one was a draw 4 goals 8 behinds each and then won the replay)
Sturt 15 firsts + 11 seconds = 26 ( all grand finals)
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
The club says 36 firsts and 36 seconds but I make it 35 seconds = 71

Not sure what history books you have been reading but I make it

Norwood 30 firsts + 22 seconds = 52 (Pre 1898 official grand finals they finished 11 firsts and 6 seconds but in 1889 they beat in a final Port to determine first place and also in 1894 beat South in 2 finals first one was a draw 4 goals 8 behinds each and then won the replay)
Sturt 15 firsts + 11 seconds = 26 ( all grand finals)
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I was quoting by memory. You are probably right. Still, 78-71 is very close.

Do you know why your number (71) is different than the club's (72)?
 
GremioPower said:
I was quoting by memory. You are probably right. Still, 78-71 is very close.

Do you know why your number (71) is different than the club's (72)?
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No I don't know why, as I used ther list of 61 grand finals + this year's GF and add to them old League system placings. So either their list of 61 was wrong and should have been 62 before this years GF or they double counted the 1889 2nd as both a GF and a 2nd in the League system.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
No I don't know why, as I used ther list of 61 grand finals + this year's GF and add to them old League system placings. So either their list of 61 was wrong and should have been 62 before this years GF or they double counted the 1889 2nd as both a GF and a 2nd in the League system.
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I think we had an advantage 68-67 in 1996; at least, if Wikipedia and my math are both correct. That might explain my earlier mistake.

P.S.: Wikipedia has us with 36 premiers and 37 runners-up (73): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SANFL_premiers
 
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GremioPower I found the missing 2 second places. Yes Port in the SANFL have finished 2nd 37 times. The 2 missing places can be put down to administrators stupidity in trying different finals systems.

After 1897 the SANFL and V/AFL introduced Grand Finals. In 1897 and 1924 the VFL had a round robin finals series between the top 4 sides and the side at the top of that finals ladder was the premiers, and others were given 2nd place, 3rd placed and 4th placed and therefore there was no Grand Final.

In the SANFL as noted previously there was no Grand Final 1897 and for some dopey reason in 1923, 1925 and 1926 there were mickey mouse grand finals which didnt really count. This is what the history books of grand finals say

1923 Norwood 9.12 d North Adelaide 6.4
1924 West Torrens 9.12 d Sturt 8.10
1925 Norwood 8.4 d West Torrens 7.9
1926 Sturt 9.10 d North Adelaide 8.10

But Port were given 2nd place in 1925 and 1926. I had seen that Port were given 2nd place in those 3 years but I assumed that it was like the VFL system and didn't dig deeper.

Once again thank's to the great work done by John Devaney who immigrated to Australia as a teenager in the mid 1960's then returned to the UK in around 1980, but kept up his love affair with Aussie rules in the days of no internet and no TV coverage, he sets it all out in his old fullpointsfooty.net site which covered footy from all across Australia, which he sold in 2012 because he couldn't keep up with everything and no money was in it and whilst australiafootball.com took over his site it didn't transfer all his stuff across. But thanks to webarchive we have a lot of his magnificent stuff.

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net:80/sanfl_part_2.htm
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Notes copied from this page
1923 Under the finals system in operation at the time all clubs other than the eventual premier reverted to their pre-finals positions once the major round had ended. Thus although the final saw Norwood 9.12 (66) defeat North Adelaide 6.4 (40) North, which had defeated Sturt in a semi final, was officially placed below both the Double Blues and South Adelaide on the basis of its inferior record in the minor round

1925 Under the finals system in operation at the time all clubs other than the eventual premier reverted to their pre-finals positions one the major round had ended. Thus although the final saw Norwood 8.4 (52) defeat West Torrens 7.9 (51) Torrens, which had defeated Port Adelaide in a semi final, was officially placed both below the Magpies and Sturt on the basis of its inferior record in the minor round.

1926 Under the finals system in operation at the time all clubs other than the eventual premier reverted to their pre-finals positions once the major round had ended. Thus although the final saw Sturt 9.10 defeat North Adelaide 7.9 (51) North, which had defeated Norwood in a semi final, was officially placed below both the Redlegs and Port Adelaide on the basis of its inferior record in the minor round.

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net:80/sanfl_part_2.htm

I have several old SANFL books and none of them explain this system!!


3 premierships under the league system
33 premierships winning grand finals
------
36 premierships in total

6 second places under the league system
1 grand final lost to work out winner of league system in 1889
28 grand finals played in and lost since 1898
2 stupid 2nd places under 1925 and 1926 dopey system
------
37 2nd places

33 grand finals won + 1 grand lost under league system + 28 lost since 1898 = 62 grand finals played in.

This page on Port's website, which was before the 2017 season GF result says

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/club/history/premierships
SAFA/SAFL/SANFL
36 premierships
36 seconds
26 thirds
9 fourths
7 fifths
11 sixths
4 sevenths
2 eighths

Only out of major round
18 times since 1877 (inc 9 since 1997) remember no finals before 1898 under the league system

My count is
36 premierships
37 seconds
26 thirds
10 fourths
9 fifths
11 sixths
4 sevenths
2 eighths
---------
135

Reconciliation 1877-2017 = 140 years so 141 seasons as 1877 = season 1. Less 6 years suspended for War WWI 1916,17,18 and WWII 1942,43,44 = 135 seasons.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
GremioPower I found the missing 2 second places. Yes Port in the SANFL have finished 2nd 37 times. The 2 missing places can be put down to administrators stupidity in trying different finals systems.

After 1897 the SANFL and V/AFL introduced Grand Finals. In 1897 and 1924 the VFL had a round robin finals series between the top 4 sides and the side at the top of that finals ladder was the premiers, and others were given 2nd place, 3rd placed and 4th placed and therefore there was no Grand Final.

In the SANFL as noted previously there was no Grand Final 1897 and for some dopey reason in 1923, 1925 and 1926 there were mickey mouse grand finals which didnt really count. This is what the history books of grand finals say

1923 Norwood 9.12 d North Adelaide 6.4
1924 West Torrens 9.12 d Sturt 8.10
1925 Norwood 8.4 d West Torrens 7.9
1926 Sturt 9.10 d North Adelaide 8.10

But Port were given 2nd place in 1925 and 1926. I had seen that Port were given 2nd place in those 3 years but I assumed that it was like the VFL system and didn't dig deeper.

Once again thank's to the great work done by John Devaney who immigrated to Australia as a teenager in the mid 1960's then returned to the UK in around 1980, but kept up his love affair with Aussie rules in the days of no internet and no TV coverage, he sets it all out in his old fullpointsfooty.net site which covered footy from all across Australia, which he sold in 2012 because he couldn't keep up with everything and no money was in it and whilst australiafootball.com took over his site it didn't transfer all his stuff across. But thanks to webarchive we have a lot of his magnificent stuff.

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net:80/sanfl_part_2.htm
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Notes copied from this page
1923 Under the finals system in operation at the time all clubs other than the eventual premier reverted to their pre-finals positions once the major round had ended. Thus although the final saw Norwood 9.12 (66) defeat North Adelaide 6.4 (40) North, which had defeated Sturt in a semi final, was officially placed below both the Double Blues and South Adelaide on the basis of its inferior record in the minor round

1925 Under the finals system in operation at the time all clubs other than the eventual premier reverted to their pre-finals positions one the major round had ended. Thus although the final saw Norwood 8.4 (52) defeat West Torrens 7.9 (51) Torrens, which had defeated Port Adelaide in a semi final, was officially placed both below the Magpies and Sturt on the basis of its inferior record in the minor round.

1926 Under the finals system in operation at the time all clubs other than the eventual premier reverted to their pre-finals positions once the major round had ended. Thus although the final saw Sturt 9.10 defeat North Adelaide 7.9 (51) North, which had defeated Norwood in a semi final, was officially placed below both the Redlegs and Port Adelaide on the basis of its inferior record in the minor round.

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net:80/sanfl_part_2.htm

I have several old SANFL books and none of them explain this system!!


3 premierships under the league system
33 premierships winning grand finals
------
36 premierships in total

6 second places under the league system
1 grand final lost to work out winner of league system in 1889
28 grand finals played in and lost since 1898
2 stupid 2nd places under 1925 and 1926 dopey system
------
37 2nd places

33 grand finals won + 1 grand lost under league system + 28 lost since 1898 = 62 grand finals played in.

This page on Port's website, which was before the 2017 season GF result says

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/club/history/premierships
SAFA/SAFL/SANFL
36 premierships
36 seconds
26 thirds
9 fourths
7 fifths
11 sixths
4 sevenths
2 eighths

Only out of major round
18 times since 1877 (inc 9 since 1997) remember no finals before 1898 under the league system

My count is
36 premierships
37 seconds
26 thirds
10 fourths
9 fifths
11 sixths
4 sevenths
2 eighths
---------
135

Reconciliation 1877-2017 = 140 years so 141 seasons as 1877 = season 1. Less 6 years suspended for War WWI 1916,17,18 and WWII 1942,43,44 = 135 seasons.
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It is not unsound the old system. It simply puts bigger weight on the H&A season. Finals are limited to determine the champions; everything else is settled by the H&A. It is only different.
 
GremioPower said:
It is not unsound the old system. It simply puts bigger weight on the H&A season. Finals are limited to determine the champions; everything else is settled by the H&A. It is only different.
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Losing a grand final in 1925 and 1926 and not finishing 2nd because Port finished 2nd in the home and away season and even though you beat Port in the finals is stupid especially after 20 years experience of a better finals system. If it wasn't stupid they would of kept it. Next post I will explain the Paige McIntyre system introduced in 1931 around Australia and is the basis for the finals system today.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Losing a grand final in 1925 and 1926 and not finishing 2nd because Port finished 2nd in the home and away season and even though you beat Port in the finals is stupid especially after 20 years experience of a better finals system. If it wasn't stupid they would of kept it. Next post I will explain the Paige McIntyre system introduced in 1931 around Australia and is the basis for the finals system today.
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It is odd and might be confusing. I will give you that, but there is a logic behind it.

The McIntyre system is great, and the AFL version of the system is absolutely fantastic; but it has nothing to do with the issue — which is related to the final table in the end of the season. The League simply disregarded the finals, but its champion.
 
Ford Fairlane can this thread be stickied as it has info re premiership teams and GF's and is a good reference source, especially checking how many flags the greats of the 1950-70 era in particular won, as they are now getting to the age where they are passing away regularly,unfortunately.

This article about Port players who have played Test or state cricket was put up on Boxing Day last year. As I said at the time, I knew Ernie Jones played footy and cricket, had a great record in both, in particular winning lots of flags in footy, but was never aware that he played a year for Port. He help with the transformation of Port as we had some bad years in the last 1890's - 1896 we finished bottom of a 5 team comp and in 1900 finished bottom of a 6 team comp. The only other time we won the wooden spoon was 1886 finished 4th of a 4 team comp.

Ernie Jones comes to Port and helped lift us to a GF where we finish 2nd in 1901 and the Magpie introduced in 1902 season. The 15 seasons between 1901-1915 was the transformation of Port to a powerful team in the league.

5 Flags - 1903, 1906, 1910, 1913, 1914 (udefeated) [ Norwood 3, NA 2 WA 4 Sturt 1]
8 GF's. - 1901, 1904, 1905, 1907, 1909, 1911, 1912, 1915
2 3rd's - 1902, 1908 * finished minor premiers in 1902 but forfeited the 1v3 SF because we objected to umpire Kneebone being appointed as the umpire for the SF.

World War I changed the club and its dominate period ended. Whilst the club didn't win as many flags of the 1950-1965 era or 1988-1999 era it still was a dominate era that set Port up.

1901-1915 13 Grand Finals in 15 seasons, 5 premierships Consecutive GF's 1903-07, 1909-15

1950-1965 12 Grand Finals in 16 seasons, 10 premierships Consecutive GF's 1953-59, 1962-65
1950-1968 15 Grand Finals in 19 seasons, 10 premierships Consecutive GF's 1953-59, 1962-68

1988-1999 10 Grand Finals in 12 seasons, 9 premierships Consecutive GF's 1988-90, 1994-99


http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-12-26/ports-double-talents-
Ernest (‘Ernie’) Jones was a remarkable all-round South Australian sportsperson around the turn of the 19th century. Like Hawke, Jones played only season of league football for Port Adelaide in 1901, finishing with 19 games for the Magpies; but he was instrumental in helping Port rise from last place on the premiership ladder in 1900 to runner-up to Norwood in the 1901 Grand Final, which was Ernie’s last game of league football. In the 7 seasons prior, Ernie played in four premierships for South Adelaide and then captained North Adelaide to its first-ever premiership in 1900 (against South!).

Nicknamed ‘Jonah’ and born in Auburn in South Australia’s Mid North, Jones was also a firebrand right arm fast bowler who played 19 tests for Australia from 1894-5 to 1902 and took 64 test wickets at an average of 29.01. His best bowling figures in an innings were 7/88 and in a match were 10/164. Jones made his test debut against England in Sydney in December 1894. He went on three Ashes tours of England in 1896, 1898 and 1902. In his first match on English soil, he played for the Australian touring team against a Lord Sheffield X1 at Sheffield Park in Surrey. Folklore has it that Jones had the famous England batsman WG Grace ‘dancing around the crease’ with his first three balls, and then his fourth ball saw Grace throw his head back, with the ball ‘parting his beard’ on the way through to the keeper!

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2017-12-26/ports-double-talents-

Edit thanks to Ports for this picture of Ernie Jones.

 
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Thought I would do a chart of Port's 1st and 2nd places and separate them from Grand Finals won and Lost by opponent. 1877-1897 was the League system like the EPL that you win flag by finishing top at end of season and only have a final if 2 teams ended up with the same points as we had in 1889 when Norwood beat Port;
1. 1889: Norwood 7 goals def Port Adelaide 5 goals at Adelaide Oval

Then for some stupid reason between 1923 and 1926 inc if a side finished 2nd and didn't make the GF, they were given 2nd spot and that's why there are 2 seconds after 1897 under other. See full explanation in post 44 above. See Post 44 and 36 for reconciliation of places to Matthew Agius's list of 62 grand finals Port has played in with a 33-29 record.

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1950-1981 32 seasons, 22 Grand Finals, 14 Flags, 8 lost Grand Finals

1945-1999 55 seasons, 35 Grand Finals, 23 Flags, 12 lost Grand Finals

1901-1939 39 years, 23 Grand Finals, 10 Flags, 13 lost Grand Finals + 2 x 2nd placings by SANFL system
Take out 3 years in WWI competetion was suspended in 1916,17 and 18.

1901-1939 36 seasons, 23 Grand Finals, 10 Flags, 13 lost Grand Finals + 2 x 2nd placings by SANFL system

The 1901-1939 years vs the 1950-81 years are similar in terms of Grand Finals made, but lost more of those close GF's.
 
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Been looking at the past grand finals stuff since we won the Second Semi Final a couple of weeks ago.

That 1950-81 period was unbelievable. Never went 4 years without making a GF. Only missed GF's in 1950, 52, 60,61, 69,70, 73,74,75, 78

The 1945-1999 only had 1 x 4 year period 1947,48,49,50 and 2 x 3 year period 1973,74,75 and 1985,86,87

The other years missed GF between 1945 and 1999 not mentioned in above 2 lines are - 1982,83, 1991 and 1993
 
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