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They've done nothing of the kind. They simply have asked the League to display their name as Lions on the scoreboard when playing in Melbourne.

They'll still be displayed as Brisbane Lions at the Gabba and on the Ladder, team sheets, etc.

Additionally, they will display BB-FFC above the number on the back of the guernsey a la Western Bulldogs.

I hope this helps Fitzroy supporters to follow the team that wears what is essentially their jumper, plays what is essentially their emblem and sings what is essentially their song.

If not, that's a bit sad, but life goes on. I don't think any further tinkering with the playing kit or name is necessary.
 
Not happy Brisbane.

For the old Bears supporters.We have a new name, new song, new logo, new song.

Whats wrong with Brisbane Lions. When we play in the GF, I want it to be the Brisbane Lions, not just Lions.

As for the jumper.Our jumper as is, is a reflection of the history of our club.This is a backwards step.So is the Fitzroy faithfull wanting a dedicated match yearly to be played in the old Roys jumper. We have moved on, don't go backwards.

Now for the debenture.Thats money owed to the club.Its totally wrong to write that off.

The club is struggling financially.They have lost members in Brisbane, corporate and normal ones.They rarely advertise, but are willing to lose the Brisbane from the name, so they can buy Members in Melbourne. What a crock.

Its like the Bears were takenover.If we dare mention the name Bears, we are callous, unthinking. But now the club is not happy being called Brisbane.Thats very very wrong.
ALL supprters should be happy and proud of our name, Brisbane Lions. Not have the board say oops, we are dropping the Brisbane part.

The board have lost the plot. Interesting to see that the article is only in the Melbourne paper, not the Brisbane one. One would hate to have 15,000 of our 18,000 members knowing that the club is ashamed of the Brisbane part of our being.
 

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The cost of my Melbourne based family membership was 250.00.I seem to remember that the cost of a full membership in Brisbane is about this for one person.
Why is that.

It's good to see that having voting rights is worth didly squat to our board.

My husband is so furious, we will not be renewing.
When will clubs learn that members want a say.All they had to do was ask us members, but no nothing, a done deal.Arrogance personified.
 
Originally posted by tapestry
The cost of my Melbourne based family membership was 250.00.I seem to remember that the cost of a full membership in Brisbane is about this for one person.
Why is that.

It's good to see that having voting rights is worth didly squat to our board.

My husband is so furious, we will not be renewing.
When will clubs learn that members want a say.All they had to do was ask us members, but no nothing, a done deal.Arrogance personified.
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What on earth are you talking about? What have voting rights got to do with this? Ask the members about what? Why do we elect a board? If you're not happy vote them out at the next election?

Brisbane Lions Victorian membership is for six matches. Brisbane Lions Queensland membership is for 12 matches. Did you ever think that's why the price is different?

The club is still the Brisbane Lions and will be displayed as such in Queensland. A BB -FFC is being added to the back of the uniform. On the scoreboard in Melbourne it will be displayed as "Lions." Personally as a Victorian supporter and from Fitzroy, I was happy with the 'Brisbane Lions', but I can understand the reasoning behind the move.

I would have thought the moves would help gain more Victorian members for the club, more crowd support for the team in Melbourne and therefore more money for the club. I think your claim that the club is struggling financially is a little exaggerated. Out of the 16 AFL clubs, Brisbane has the fourth highest revenue. If they are supposedly struggling financially, your non-renewing of membership is really helpful isn't it.
 
So sorry to but in....

But!

Upon reading of the changes the Brisbane are making, I couldn't help think that these all were positive steps in the right direction. Sure this does not deliver nirvana to anyone, but they seem to be doing what they can. Identify problems and then seek to resolve them.

With respect to the perceived loss of identity (by some) of the Brisbane Bears coupled with the AFL's push for alternate jumpers for next season, I had a thought:

What if Brisbane wore something like the old Bears jumpers while playing at home while wearing an old Fitzroy one while playing away?

Would this be positive?

Now if you'll excuse me, I just gonna go and wallow in Richmond's victory a little more!:D
 
You see thats the problem.
With us old Bears members. When we suggest anything to do with the Bears, we get told we are now the Brisbane Lions, don't be so insensitive to the feelings of the Fitzroy people. All we ask is that they are sensitive to our needs.This is the Board and club I am talking about.
We used to live in Brisbane.The Brisbane Lions should be marketed as the Queensland AFL team, in Queensland.In Melbourne our rich history should be accentuated.To drop the Brisbane from the name outside Queensland is an insult to all Queenslanders, also to the history of the club.
Thats wrong.

We have family and friends who still live in Brisbane and are members. Not one of them are happy at this.
Whether anyone in Melbourne understands or not.They feel that they are the neglected partner of the merger.That their name is very important to them, that's all they have left.
 
And can someone tell me the point of this?
Was Brisbane to big to fit on the scoreboard :D, can't they have gotten a bigger scoreboard just for Brisbane? ;)
 
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Don't get me wrong, I'm all for any moves by the club to increase the supporter base down in Melbourne, but I can't for the life of me, understand why the board would go to such lengths to please a minority when they treat the Brisbane bases supporters like crap.

They (the board) have NO idea...... they close down the social club, with the exception of game days, because it is running at a loss. Why is it running at a loss? The social club USE to be a place where you could go and mix and mingle with the players, coaching staff and other supporters. This all changed mid-way through last year when, slowly, the number of players turning up to the social club declined.(These days, three players come up to receive awards but are in and out as quick as you can blink). No explanation was given until a few weeks ago after a woman (I'm sorry but I can't remember her name) approached the powers that be and asked WHY they didn't come up anymore. The reason they gave her, was that they had "family commitments". Out of 40 + members of the players and coaching staff, ALL of them have family commitments....... EVERY WEEK??? Oh puh-lease...... do they really think we are THAT stupid??

So of course the amount of people who go to the social club is going to dwindle. Less people = less money coming in = closing down the social club. THIS is how they encourage people to renew their memberships here in Brisbane.

Were we( the members) asked about the BBFFC to be put on the back of the jumpers next season? Were we asked whether we approved of them letting the $1.2 million dollar debt slide?
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What on earth are you talking about? What have voting rights got to do with this? Ask the members about what? Why do we elect a board? If you're not happy vote them out at the next election?

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Great idea, wait till AFTER the decisions are made and THEN vote them out. I don't recall anything about the debt or the idea of calling them just the "Lions" in Melbourne ever being brought up before OR during the elections last time we voted .

I don't think all this would bother me so much if the club were as eager to see the Brisbane based supporters happy as they want the more Fitzroy supporters to jump on board.
Not only have the former Bears supporters lost
- their colours
- their song
- their emblem (as tacky as it was)

now, they've taken away our "Brisbane" identity in Victoria.

The scoreboard at the Gabba has alwas read "Lions" not "Brisbane Lions", (I don't know what the case is in Melbourne) and I've never seen a problem with it. Why did they have to make such a big song and dance about "officially" stripping us of our "Brisbane" name in Melbourne?? This has enraged the Brisbane based supports as much as it has pleased the Melbourne based supporters.

It's hard to read comments like "now if only they'd take the extra steps to wear our jumper when playing in Melbourne" and think that what the club is doing is going to make one iota of difference to Fitzroy supporters who are still angry about the merger. There will always be an excuse as to why they won't come across and support the Brisbane Lions.

Wipping the debt, sure, a gesture of good will. Placing a BBFFC on the back of the jumper, definately, it symbolizes BOTH teams, represents BOTH our histories. But the scratching of the Brisbane name from anything Melbourne related....... it isn't a way to promote our MERGED team. How would Melbourne supporters feel if we "officially" dropped the "Lions" name and promoted them as only "Brisbane" up here in Queensland? Not too happy I'm guessing.
 
Brisbane have done a heck of a lot to cater for the Fitzroy component. I don't consider it enough for me to jump on board, regardless of the latest developments, BUT that is not to say that Brisbane aren't catering as much as they can to attract such folk as myself. There's just some of us for whom any form of marriage is simply not viable.

(That is my 'excuse')

The following is opinion only :

The BBFFC seems to me like a good idea.

Striking 'Brisbane' from 'Brisbane Lions' in Melbourne doesn't feel to me to achieve much.

The debenture issue is a goodwill gesture only, and probably should be treated as such. On an elementary basis (subjective assumption of articulation) Brisbane Lions WON out of the merger. Fitzroy and Brisbane (Bears) LOST out of the merger. Brisbane Lions should not hold a debenture, it should have been more than paid out by the real value of the WIN Brisbane Lions had through the merger. Maybe the debenture should be held by Brisbane Bears ... that was in jest.

To me, the debenture reminds me of paying a friend petrol money for a lift, and then being asked for a further payment for the convenience. It is simply a Damaclean sword held ready to squash any stand-alone Fitzroy venture : 'You try that and we'll bring this back on yer.'

Wouldv'e been better, though highly unlikely, to somehow find the money for the debenture, and hand it to Brisbane, and just clear ourselves of the whole thing. Now we're gonna cop a 'we did a favour for you'-type whinge.

Bah, too early in the morning.
 
Long and short of it is value for money..brisbane lions dont offer value for money in terms of matches played in melb vs a season ticket cost..no wonder the old lions vic based supporters haven't joined up on the books

and tapestry..how exactly is your hubby noel gordon these days?
or are you doing his pal ross oakleigh these days?

brisbane lions..bah humbug!
 

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So the club doesn't want to be called Brisbane outside of the Gabba.So that they can appease Melbourne based supporters, who don't want to chant Brisbane.

Pathetically weak decision makers I say. If they honestly think they will get one more member because of that, then they are in pixie land.It might just backfire for them up in Brisbane though.Queenslanders are proud of who they are.The Gabba holds 38,000 people, the Lions only have 15,000 members locally.People can still support their players, watch them play, but not pay for membership.They have lost 2500 members in Brisbane this year already.Why risk upsetting the larger of the 2 membership bases.

Intersting that it made our Sunday Mail today.Even our local newsagent who is a Broncos man, couldn't help having a dig at the traitors.You would never see the Broncos lose the Brisbane.
 
chant brisbane in brisbane all you like...me i wont be

if its good enough for the kangaroos and western bulldogs to lose their orig tags to spread themselves around it should be good enough for brisbane ...that will truely make them an "australian" football club as they go on about
 
There has been a a trend away from place names in AFL nomenclature in recent years. Nicknames used to be totally informal once upon a time. Back in the 1920s, if you wanted to call a club by its nickname you had to use inverted commas. The "magpies", the "bull-dogs", etc. etc.

Then those emplems, like the magpie or the bulldog, became official. But the clubs were still called Collingwood, Footscray etc.

Then, in the 1980s, when the VFL admitted clubs from outside Victoria, emblems such as the Eagle and the Bear became part of the clubs' actual name. It wasn't "Brisbane". It was the "Brisbane Bears". It wasn't "West Coast.". It was the "West Coast Eagles".

Gradually that Americanised style of nomenclature took over. Even the older clubs started using it more and more.

Can anyone remember a game a couple of years back in which Geelong was billed by Channel 7 as the "Geelong Supercats"?

Yuk.

Now, in the last few years it's gone even further. the Kangaroos no longer have an actual place name. So what do they represent. A family of marsupials, perhaps. Maybe that's why no one goes to ther games. They represent marsupials. Maybe they should play their home games at the Zoo.

I reckon, within a decade, no clubs will be known by any sort of place name. It will just be Demons, Magpies, Kangaroos, Saints etc. etc.

Of course, this would pave the way for sponsors to take over naming rights ... the Ford Cats ... the Emirates Magpies ... etc. etc.

Jock help us !!!
 
How can anyone suggest or think that these changes will not result in greater support for the Lions in Melbourne?

I have seen the support base in Melbourne grow substantially in recent times. The support at Colonial stadium against the Kanga's on Sat night was fantastic - I estimate that there was at least 10,000 Lion supporters. The board should not and cannot ignore this support.

These concessions will no doubt bring back more Fitzroy people and make the existing Lion supporters that little more passionate.

It would be fantastic to see Lion membership in Melbourne soar to 10,000 and with a potential membership in Brisbane of about 25,000, this would make the club one of the strongest in the AFL.

Lets unite and enjoy many years of success!
 
It seems to me the problem is there is still this whole us vs them mentality from both Brisbane and Melbourne followers of the Lions. Brisbane supporters are wanting one thing, Fitzroy the other and instead of uniting the support base of the club it has fractured it into 2 distinct camps.

But firstly, IMHO it's pretty arrogant for Brisbane supporters to be complaining about losing their jumper, emblem and song.

For starters, the theme song was worse than the Dockers current one, and the jumper and emblem wasn't much better either.

And to think that a manufactured club with 9 years tradition is going to get precedence over a club with 8 flags and 113 years tradition is pretty naive.

Fitzroy supporters who have chosen to follow the Lions only get to see them play 6 times a year - surely the least they are entitled to is seeing their team running around in a jumper that resembles the old Fitzroy.

CJH, I don't think the suggestion of different home & away jumpers would be positive, I think it would just push the supporters of Brisbane Lions into 2 camps even further. Do you think Fitzroy supporters would feel as much passion for a team running around 2 states away in a different jumper? I doubt it.

The debenture should have been scrapped when the merger took place, it's been an unfair burden on Fitzroy directors over the past 5 years.

The BB - FFC is a step in the right direction, and who can blame the Brisbane board for trying to get some extra Fitzroy supporters back on board. The past few weeks have seen the biggest support for the Lions in Melbourne yet, and it's important they continue to grow this support.

Sydney have a large support base in Melbourne because they kept the colours, the song and the emblem of South, and many of the old South supporters still feel like they have a team to follow.

Before Brisbane supporters start whinging about Brisbane not been acknowledged in other states, how about thinking about how much Fitzroy have been through?
 
Originally posted by Chicago Boy

I have seen the support base in Melbourne grow substantially in recent times. The support at Colonial stadium against the Kanga's on Sat night was fantastic - I estimate that there was at least 10,000 Lion supporters. The board should not and cannot ignore this support.
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Ummmmm...you cannot fit 10,000 people behind the goals in 3 seating bay areas?
 

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If it wasn't for the then Brisbane Bears, the Fitzroy Lions would be totally wiped off of the face of the Earth and I for one would personally be alot happier. Why don't you people pull your heads out of the back of your pants and open your eyes. You are a bunch of ill-informed hypocrites who don't know football from synchronised swimming. You now have, in essence, Fitzroy running around in the league again. Apart from 20 or so players and the GABBA what is still around from the Brisbane Bears era. What I am trying to say is, Get stuffed you narrow-minded gits!!!!!
 
The postal address of the North Melbourne Football Club is P.O Box 158 North Melbourne Victoria Post Code 3051. The 'Kangaroos' has been the nick name of the club since the 1950's.

The Kangaroos is the trading name of the NMFC. We are not offay with living up gum trees like the Brisbane Bears/ Brisbane Lions have done for years. That is why Brisbane are commonly known in Melbourne as the 'koalas'.
 
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Ummmmm...you cannot fit 10,000 people behind the goals in 3 seating bay areas?
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So, you're suggesting every other person at the ground, outside of those "3 seating bay areas", was a Kangas, or at least, a non-Lions supporter?

Phunny logic, that!

Actually, 3AW's Graham Bond guesstimated that more than half the crowd on Satdy night were Lions supporters. So there! :p
 
Originally posted by Chicago Boy
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Hey, what is this??? I'm the true 'Chicago boy'... well, at approaching 50, maybe not a boy anymore! LOL :D

Could this person be one of my fans??? Oh, shucks! :)
 
Originally posted by Homer
If it wasn't for the then Brisbane Bears, the Fitzroy Lions would be totally wiped off of the face of the Earth and I for one would personally be alot happier. Why don't you people pull your heads out of the back of your pants and open your eyes. You are a bunch of ill-informed hypocrites who don't know football from synchronised swimming. You now have, in essence, Fitzroy running around in the league again. Apart from 20 or so players and the GABBA what is still around from the Brisbane Bears era. What I am trying to say is, Get stuffed you narrow-minded gits!!!!!
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Ill-informed hypocrite? After that pathetic post isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? If it wasn't for the other clubs in the competition agreeing, the Brisbane Bears would have died in 1992 as they were broke, and only received a cash injection from the AFL after the other clubs agreed it would be in the best interests of the competition.

And Fitzroy wouldn't have been wiped off the face of the earth, they would have merged with North instead, leaving Brisbane as the Bears with a bad song, bad emblem, bad jumper and absolutely no support in Melbourne.

What's around from the Brisbane Bears era? You have a team playing in YOUR city. That's a lot more than Fitzroy supporters have. Anyway, what difference did it make to Brisbane if their team was called the Bears or the Lions. They are still your team, except with better colours, some actual history and a support base in Melbourne.

You should be grateful Oakley and his mates gave you Fitzroy to pick and choose as you like, instead of having a sook. It's people like you that make me realise a merger like this has a long way to go, given the massive gap in football knowledge between people who used to follow Fitzroy and those that followed the Bears.

:mad: :mad: :mad: If I was a Fitzroy supporter I would be utterly disgusted having people like you supposedly 'supporting' the club.
 
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk



What's around from the Brisbane Bears era? You have a team playing in YOUR city. That's a lot more than Fitzroy supporters have. Anyway, what difference did it make to Brisbane if their team was called the Bears or the Lions. They are still your team, except with better colours, some actual history and a support base in Melbourne.

You should be grateful Oakley and his mates gave you Fitzroy to pick and choose as you like, instead of having a sook. It's people like you that make me realise a merger like this has a long way to go, given the massive gap in football knowledge between people who used to follow Fitzroy and those that followed the Bears.
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A tad harsh their GOALden Hawk.

It actually mattered alot to Bears supporters that we were called the "Bears". They were 'ours' for better and for worse. For ppl like my family it was a terrible day the merger happened. 10 years of fighting for some recognition, 10 years of being the joke of the competition, 10 years of fighting for an identity in our own home town. We finally got it all, then it was gone.

Please, don't belittle the losses of the Bears supporters. Their loss was just as real as the loss was to Fitzroy supporters. They only difference is that Fitzroy was mourning their past history. We were mourning the history we were now never going to create.

Just like 10 years previous - we were starting all over again with an essentially new club.

And just like you said - a merger has a long way to go - especially when many ppl only ever think of one side of the story (in this case Fitzroy) and not the other (Bears).
 

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