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But the Bears V was nothing like that, which is why I’m so surprised that many believe it reflects the Bears jumper because it actually doesn’t.
A few to compare.
Yes they are not the same. But their are enough characteristics to compare to the Bears strip.
Different materials and more modern designs are the difference. Being a clash strip it was never going to look like the old Bears V strip.

I like it, but as a few other posters have mentioned i would prefer a different colour for the shorts. But this may be an AFL requirement.

So below is Daniel Rich in the 2020 clash strip. This has the Maroon V with also a White V directly above. You could also include the collar as a V. I think it is the collar that determines if their is more than one V in the design.

The Bears strip worn by Richard Champion has a prominent Yellow V with another prominent Maroon V above. Note also 2 small White V's either side of the Yellow. You could also include the collar as another V. The player on the right (?) has a long sleeve strip so that changes the design.

The last is of Nathan Buckley being from his first and only year was a Bear.

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A few to compare.
Yes they are not the same. But their are enough characteristics to compare to the Bears strip.
Different materials and more modern designs are the difference. Being a clash strip it was never going to look like the old Bears V strip.

I like it, but as a few other posters have mentioned i would prefer a different colour for the shorts. But this may be an AFL requirement.

So below is Daniel Rich in the 2020 clash strip. This has the Maroon V with also a White V directly above. You could also include the collar as a V. I think it is the collar that determines if their is more than one V in the design.

The Bears strip worn by Richard Champion has a prominent Yellow V with another prominent Maroon V above. Note also 2 small White V's either side of the Yellow. You could also include the collar as another V. The player on the right (?) has a long sleeve strip so that changes the design.

The last is of Nathan Buckley being from his first and only year was a Bear.

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I'd have thought if you really wanted to have one similarity to the Bears "V", in place of the white line above and below the yellow "V", two similar blue lines could have been incorporated into the new jersey to at least replicate a similar three section "V" per the old style Bears jumpers. If we're being really honest here, what we have instead is a South Melbourne style V with a Lion on it:

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Anyways, it is only my irrelevant opinion that the Bears have NOT been respected in any way, shape or form in the new alternate jumper, contrary to what anyone says. As much as I fight for everything Fitzroy related, I still think it is just as important that the Bears are represented more and I know many from the Fitzroy side of the family, including me, are just as supportive of that.
 

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I'd have thought if you really wanted to have one similarity to the Bears "V", in place of the white line above and below the yellow "V", two similar blue lines could have been incorporated into the new jersey to at least replicate a similar three section "V" per the old style Bears jumpers. If we're being really honest here, what we have instead is a South Melbourne style V with a Lion on it:

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Anyways, it is only my irrelevant opinion that the Bears have NOT been respected in any way, shape or form in the new alternate jumper, contrary to what anyone says. As much as I fight for everything Fitzroy related, I still think it is just as important that the Bears are represented more and I know many from the Fitzroy side of the family, including me, are just as supportive of that.
I have a different view and can see quite a bit of deference to the Bears in that jumper, given there never has been a V on a Fitzroy jumper and the V is the predominant feature here. I can see why they would go with a full maroon V and not the yellow as the yellow would have clashed with the Lion and a blue border would have made it too busy. I'm assuming the predominantly white or yellow strip is an AFL requirement for our clash.
Anyway, I like it.
 

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rangatangtang

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It's just a strip why do we need some marketing grad doing this anyway it should be given to an old boy or other respected clubman to come up with ideas such as those put above etc. Doesn't take much to get respect right, if that's the intention.................. .
 

martinson

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I think it looks quite smart.

A blue lion would've really given it a more imposing look. I'm not a fan of the sickly yellow anywhere on a guernsey , a rich gold I could stomach.
 

martinson

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It's all stats IIRC, so yeah - they aren't watching.
There's some ridiculous omissions overall. Like De goey and even Steele Sidebottom for the pies .Darcy Moore ?? Crikey.

In any event your elite players can put the icing on the cake , it's often your weakest 5 or 6 players that determine success. By the time we got to finals 2 or 3 guys had dropped off a touch and it really cost us.Hopefully with another pre season they can move out of that below average class . It's hard to see them going backwards.
 

martinson

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There's some ridiculous omissions overall. Like De goey and even Steele Sidebottom for the pies .Darcy Moore ?? Crikey.

In any event your elite players can put the icing on the cake , it's often your weakest 5 or 6 players that determine success. By the time we got to finals 2 or 3 guys had dropped off a touch and it really cost us.Hopefully with another pre season they can move out of that below average class . It's hard to see them going backwards.
Likewise it was universally agreed that Charlie was the best small forward in the game so how he doesn't qualify as elite is a complete mystery.
 

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Charlie should practise running as fast as he can as though his hands are tied behind his back.Any interference while the ball is coming in should be plain to see.I trust the umpires will interpret this consistently.
 

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Eight reasons to get excited about Brisbane in 2020
DECEMBER 30, 2019

Brisbane was the surprise bolters of 2019 and a straight-sets finals exit shouldn’t detract from its outstanding season.

Having had that exposure to finals football and with the second-youngest list in the competition, the Lions are laying the foundations for success.

Can the Lions handle the extra attention they’ll get in 2020? Here are eight reasons why they can.

1. UPWARD TREND
After winning five games in each of the 2017 and 2018 seasons, last season was a breakout campaign for the Lions under coach Chris Fagan. The side won 16 games to finish second on the ladder, stunning the football world before bowing out of finals in straight sets. But the experience should prove invaluable going forward. While veteran defender Luke Hodge has hung up the boots, the Lions’ list is largely young and improving and that bodes well for them to again push their case as a serious contender in 2020 and potentially take another step or two forward.

2. GRANT BIRCHALL
One out, one in. While Hodge might have retired from the Brisbane backline, one of his four-time Hawthorn premiership teammates in Grant Birchall has been added to help fill the void. Yes, Birchall has had knee and hamstring issues which have restricted him to just eight games in the past three years, but the Lions would not have picked up the unrestricted free agent if they did not believe he could get his body right. Birchall has spoken of his hope a “fresh start” will help and is confident that at 31 years old he can still have a meaningful impact. An All-Australian in 2012, Birchall averaged 22.9 disposals across 24 games in his last full season in 2016.

3. NO.1 MIDFIELD
You read that right. Forget Collingwood, West Coast or Greater Western Sydney. It is the Lions who have the No.1 midfield in the competition according to Champion Data. The calculations, which are based purely on individual talent, not only include the primary on-ballers but also the wings. Lachie Neale, who finished equal-third in the Brownlow Medal in 2019, leads the charge in the Brisbane engine room along with captain Dayne Zorko, Jarryd Lyons and wingman Mitch Robinson — all of whom are rated elite in their positions by the AFL’s official statisticians. From a team perspective the No.1 rating matches up, with the Lions ranked second for clearances and fourth for inside-50s last season.

4. SECOND-YOUNGEST LIST
Brisbane will start next season with an average list age of just 23.43 years old. That puts them ahead of only Gold Coast Suns (23.24). That is excitimg for a team that played finals last season because it suggests there is more upside to come. Developing key forward Eric Hipwood, wingman Hugh McCluggage, former No.1 draft pick Cam Rayner, midfielder Jarrod Berry, key defender Alex Witherden and 2019 Rising Star nominee Noah Answerth will all start next season under the age of 23. Their ceilings are seemingly much higher than what they have produced to date.

5. ERIC HIPWOOD
Young key position players generally take time to develop and forward Eric Hipwood is no different. While still producing a solid 2019 season, he perhaps did not take the step forward many had thought he might. However, entering his fifth season, now is his time to shine. The 204cm big man booted 35.29 from 23 games last season but ranked below average for disposals, kicking and one-on-one contests. The Lions clearly believe he can take further steps forward, though, after signing him to a three-year contract extension estimated to be worth $2 million in September. Brisbane believes Hipwood has been crucial to the growth of their forward line in recent years with his team-first. Former St Kilda and Essendon star Brendon Goddard believes Hipwood will add some real consistency to his game in 2020.

6. SCORING POWER
The Brisbane forward line has plenty of firepower and finished last season as the highest scoring team in the competition. The Lions averaged 91 points a game during the home-and-away season, consistently finding a wide range of avenues to goal. Including finals, Charlie Cameron kicked 57 goals, Hipwood contributed 35, midfielder Zorko logged 23, wingman McCluggage kicked 23 and key forward Daniel McStay booted 21 goals. Mid-sized forward Lincoln McCarthy and Cam Rayner each kicked 20 goals to make for a total of seven players who contributed 20 or more goals. Geelong was the only other club to match that feat.

7. CAM ELLIS-YOLMEN
The former Adelaide onballer did not gather much fanfare when he was signed as a free agent during the trade period, but the Lions are excited by what they have picked up. Ellis-Yolmen was somewhat a forgotten player last season, not featuring for the Crows after Round 13 because of a stress reaction in his right leg. However, across 10 games in the first half of the season he averaged 23.5 disposals (12.3 contested), 4.9 clearances, 5.5 tackles and 93 SuperCoach ranking points. He will still be in his prime at 27 when next season starts and the Lions think he can add another big body to their midfield and provide clean clearances while also potentially pinch-hitting forward.

8. DEVEN ROBERTSON
Brisbane’s first pick in the 2019 AFL National Draft did not come until No.22. But they managed to pick up a player who some clubs rated as a potential top 10. The nephew of former West Coast captain Darren Glass, Robertson captained Western Australia at the national championships and was named the best-and-fairest player in Division 1 after breaking Sam Walsh’s record for the most disposals at the tournament by averaging 30 a match. A tough ball-winning machine, Robertson looks ready to feature at some stage next year and looms as a serious talent of the future.

CHAMPION DATA SAYS

It’s no surprise that Brisbane’s strength is in their midfield, rated as the No.1 midfield and ruck combination in the competition. They have three elite players in Dayne Zorko, Jarryd Lyons and Lachie Neale while new recruit Cam Ellis-Yolmen is rated above average.

HOW YOUR CLUB IS TRACKING

2015: 17th — W4, L18

2016: 17th — W3, L19

2017: 18th — W5, L17

2018: 15th — W5, L17

2019: 2nd — W16, L6, SF

TAB ODDS

Premiership: $10

Top 8: $1.50

Top 4: $2.50
 

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:thumbsu: Thanks tony :)

...HUN site also says forget GWS, Collingwood or West Coast Eagles, Brisbane has the best midfield going into 2020 according to Champion data



(off topic --- go have a look at the thread "Greatest AFL photo ever taken......you'll like it)
 
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LionsMaw

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To the best of my knowledge, the Fitzroy guernsey never had a V, so if there is any type of V on the clash jumper, regardless of what colour it is or what the geometry dimensions are, I'd say most of us recognize it's a homage to the old Bears strip.

I'd go out on a limb here & say that for most of us, it's not a biggie, we get what the club is trying to do and can accept it.

It looks pretty good. I appreciate what we have. Could be worse.

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God that jumper's awful! Poor Hodgey, looking terrible.
 

LionsMaw

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New clash jumper is not too shabby although would have liked to have had blue featured somewhere since it is one of our colours. We have one of the most striking colour combos in the league and yet a lot of supporter gear never features it.
 

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New clash jumper is not too shabby although would have liked to have had blue featured somewhere since it is one of our colours. We have one of the most striking colour combos in the league and yet a lot of supporter gear never features it.
It is a Bears throwback and the Bears didn’t really wear Blue.
 

LionsMaw

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It is a Bears throwback and the Bears didn’t really wear Blue.

I see the Bears influence but I don't see it as a Bears jumper as such, I see it as a Brisbane Lions 'taking past influences and creating something different' jumper and as such should have blue on there.
 

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