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[Boris_Bewick]

Ted leaving had nothing to do with Zantuck.

Ted was a developing tall who was out of his depth playing the role we required him to play at senior level. He wasn't physically strong enough to play on key forwards, he still isn't. Ty was.

Ted ulitmately left because he wanted to play as a forward. Zantuck played as a defender.

Yes, Ted is still playing AFL and Zantuck isn't. Zantuck is still a better footballer in the same vain Cupido is a better footballer than Mark Bolton.

Ted didn't leave because he wanted to play as a forward, he left because he wasn't getting enough opportunities to play anywhere on the ground. He has played many games with the Swans this year in defence. Full games, and I don't think he minds.

And because of Zantuck, who like Cupido, Sheedy took a risk in getting to the club, Ted's opportunities were even smaller to get a regular game with Essendon.

And yes Zantuck maybe was and is a better footballer potentially and talent wise, but my point is Ted is still running around playing football in the system, thus being a better footballer. Regardless of who could be better, would you rather Ted Richards or Ty Zantuck at the moment.

Of course if Courtenay Dempsey starts to carve up soon, none of this will matter much to me anyway

 

[ant555]

Ted didn't leave because he wanted to play as a forward, he left because he wasn't getting enough opportunities to play anywhere on the ground. He has played many games with the Swans this year in defence. Full games, and I don't think he minds.

And because of Zantuck, who like Cupido, Sheedy took a risk in getting to the club, Ted's opportunities were even smaller to get a regular game with Essendon.

So his direct quotes and those of his manager that where reported in the media in several places never happened.

In the end he had himself to blame last year , could have played a few more games but he squibbed it in the Lions game and was rightfully demoted to the VFL for 3 or 4 games.

 

[Boris_Bewick]

So his direct quotes and those of his manager that where reported in the media in several places never happened.

In the end he had himself to blame last year , could have played a few more games but he squibbed it in the Lions game and was rightfully demoted to the VFL for 3 or 4 games.

Fair enough my mistake, but even so, i'm sure if ted was getting more game time anywhere on the ground those comments wouldn't have been made

 

[Longy413]

Fair enough my mistake, but even so, i'm sure if ted was getting more game time anywhere on the ground those comments wouldn't have been made

And if he deserved them and was ready for them, he would have been given those games.

 

[stander]

And if he deserved them and was ready for them, he would have been given those games.

There you go again- do you need to be reminded of how many players haven't deserved a game this year and were still selected by Sheedy- does Solomon ring any bells ?

 

[stander]

So his direct quotes and those of his manager that where reported in the media in several places never happened. ./quote]

You are a disappointment Ant robus for someone who has been around since 1973. Surely you have mates who have seen in the past the benefits of a fresh start, like Bill Stephen, and agree with me and others that we don't need Sheedy's crap any more, in 2006.

 

[Jeremias]

hi guys...am interested to read that some of you want to get rid of Laycock and Dyson. Having seen these two players quite a bit, I think that they both have bright futures ahead of them. I would like to know what you think it would take to get them, either individually or together, to Carlton.

cheers

 

[Boris_Bewick]

And if he deserved them and was ready for them, he would have been given those games.

Yep and I'm not sure how Ty Zantuck deserved his games, a lot less than Richards I would say.

 

[ant555]

So his direct quotes and those of his manager that where reported in the media in several places never happened. ./quote]

You are a disappointment Ant robus for someone who has been around since 1973. Surely you have mates who have seen in the past the benefits of a fresh start, like Bill Stephen, and agree with me and others that we don't need Sheedy's crap any more, in 2006.

A fresh start probably is the way to go but i can live with us seeing out his contract. I am not one to jump on him for his mistakes as overall he has given us a lot of good things , a hell of a lot of good things.
My opinion on it is he coachs next year and if and when things dont turn around we simply dont resign him.

Anyway i fail to how your response ties in with quoting me on Ted Richards comments to the media about wanting to leave

 

[cobba]

Out - Bolton, Welsh, Solomon, Dyson, Henneman, Rioli(ret), Ramma(ret) and Pevrill.

roos would be happy to take dyson from you

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

hi guys...am interested to read that some of you want to get rid of Laycock and Dyson. Having seen these two players quite a bit, I think that they both have bright futures ahead of them. I would like to know what you think it would take to get them, either individually or together, to Carlton.

cheers

Laycock is deffinatelly a keeper, a big man as agile as him are worth there weight in gold and Dyson has the skills just needs to show it AFL level which he was doing at the end of last season.

 

[Longy413]

Yep and I'm not sure how Ty Zantuck deserved his games, a lot less than Richards I would say.

By having a body that was ready made for AFL football.

Ted didn't have that. Ted didn't get games because he wasn't physically ready.

 

[ant555]

By having a body that was ready made for AFL football.

Ted didn't have that. Ted didn't get games because he wasn't physically ready.

Dont try and tell that to the "Ted didnt get a real go club"

 

[ant555]

This is what i think , most of our delsitings should be straight forward.

Mark Bolton- isnt our worst this year but doesnt do enough. One good season in 7 or so doesnt cut it. Delsit.

Kepler Bradley- Hasnt been as good this year. Isnt quick . still has enough to work with. Keep.

Scott Camporeale- Well he is on a two year deal. Has done nothing yet to kill any doubts i had about picking him up but may be handy if we can find some form. Keep

Tristain Cartledge- Form is on the improve again in the VFL but if he cant get a game this week in front of Ryder he isnt in our future plans. Delist.

Richard Cole- Injury has killed his season. Jury is out but he stays.

Courtney Dempsey- has shown the skills and speed. Just needs a couple of seasons to build up the body. Keep.

Ricky Dyson- Is he struggling with injury? i suspect he is. Should get another year but may well be in the 50/50 area.

Dustin Fletcher- Champion end of story.

Chris Heffernan- Hasnt been our worst pick up. he stays.

Aaron Henneman- gone.

David Hille- Will stay hasnt been bad but hasnt been great either. Could be in trouble if Laycock and Ryder both get going in the future.

James Hird- If he wants to play he gets a spot.

Courtney Johns- Jury is still out but he needs to be kept another year so he can be judged on two years of footy rather than several seasons of injury.

Jason Johnson- Will still be around and deserves to be cut some slack but the pressure will be on him.

Mark Johnson- Deserves to be kept but could well be in the 50/50 bracket.

Jason Laycock- Another who has to stay at this stage.

Andrew Lee- Will be kept.

Matthew Lloyd- Obvious.

Sam Lonergan- Looks like he has what it takes at this stage. Will saty on the list.
Andrew Lovett- He stays.


NLM- Another who has done enough.


Scott Lucas- some talk about trading him but personally i wouldnt be impressed if they did.

Austin Lucy- gets another year of development.

Adam Mcphee- The interesting player. At his best he is a no brainer to stay but there are whispers he isnt happy and wants a trade. Is one player who may attract something decent if he wanted to go. Hope he does stay.


Mark Mcveigh- Keep!

Angus Monfries- Keep.

Jay Nash- Is under searius pressure to retain his spot. Would need to do a lot before the end of the season.

Jay Neagle- Was drafted early and isnt expected to play yet. Will be kept.

Damien Peveril- Has been great and it pains me to say it but he is gone.

Adam Ramanauskas- Wants to play at the top level again. give him the chance to. RETAIN

Joel Reynolds- What he does in the next 11 games will decide his future.

Dean Rioli- Doesnt look like his knee will take him any further than this year.

Patrick Ryder - Keep.

Henry Slattery- Keep.

Dean Solomon- At his best he still has plenty to offer. Would still be a borderline case.

Brent Stanton- Good Young player just needs to work on his decision making at times and kicking.

Jobe Watson - Keep.

Andrew Welsh- Is tradeable and his spot on the field is easily covered.

Jason Winderlich - Pressure may be on him with his current injury.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

Were have you heard that Mcphee wasnt happy at Essendon? Personally i hope this is not the case as he would be a huge loss. Thought he played a great game today barring 1 basic skill error.

 

[ant555]

Were have you heard that Mcphee wasnt happy at Essendon? Personally i hope this is not the case as he would be a huge loss. Thought he played a great game today barring 1 basic skill error.

It is likely to be nothing but i have heard it and from a few different sources.
As for today was pretty good but there was more than one turnover from him including the one real shocker.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

It is likely to be nothing but i have heard it and from a few different sources.
As for today was pretty good but there was more than one turnover from him including the one real shocker.

Hope its nothing as Mcphee is my favourie player when on song.

 

[cobba]

mcphee for leigh brown?

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

mcphee for leigh brown?

 

[Dr Moose]

Gwilt and McPhee is a gun - good efforts from both of you, especially considering our strong drafting position post-season. I find your assessments of Kepler frustrating, he still seems like a first gamer to me. Week in week out he has flashes of brilliance coupled with simple errors of judgement, how long do we give these rookies their grace before trading up

 

[foj1]

Boys do me a favour and watch some u/18 national championship games this week. If that doesnt illustrate to you the strength of the upcoming draft and the opportunity we have to be real players at draft time if we are prepared to trade a good player or two then your lack of creativity and foresight is pretty frustrating. Its funny that Teddy wasnt ready to get a game at Essendon yet plays every week for Sydney.Doubly so when Reynolds and Johns have both played at full back in recent weeks. My feelings are Essendon never quite knew where to play Teddy though they thought he would have been a good player in the end. Sheedys stubborness is legendary in AFL circles and Zantuck is an example of him not heeding advice. If we come last and win less than 5 and a half games we will have pick 1, 17 and 18-I think- depends if any others win less than 5 and a half. If we trade another experienced player we could be in an extremely strong position. I think we are 3 years away. gibbs and selwood would be apretty good kick start to our midfield. Whats the difference between Bartram and Jolley? Clint Bartram gets a game!

 

[ant555]

Boys do me a favour and watch some u/18 national championship games this week. If that doesnt illustrate to you the strength of the upcoming draft and the opportunity we have to be real players at draft time if we are prepared to trade a good player or two then your lack of creativity and foresight is pretty frustrating. Its funny that Teddy wasnt ready to get a game at Essendon yet plays every week for Sydney.Doubly so when Reynolds and Johns have both played at full back in recent weeks. My feelings are Essendon never quite knew where to play Teddy though they thought he would have been a good player in the end. Sheedys stubborness is legendary in AFL circles and Zantuck is an example of him not heeding advice. If we come last and win less than 5 and a half games we will have pick 1, 17 and 18-I think- depends if any others win less than 5 and a half. If we trade another experienced player we could be in an extremely strong position. I think we are 3 years away. gibbs and selwood would be apretty good kick start to our midfield. Whats the difference between Bartram and Jolley? Clint Bartram gets a game!

I think you have missed the point with Richards . Before last season he simply wasnt ready. At the start of last year he had bulked up a little and his body was ready to take on some of the bigger players. He played 10 games last year but it could have been 14 but that was his own fault for being soft against the Lions in round 8. Yes he is playing every week now but that is because he finally has enough body strength .
People keep saying Ted didnt get a go , what a few of us have said is he didnt get a go because in reality he wasnt really ready for regular senior footy until the last 3/4 of last year. He now gets a game every week and there isnt a doubt he would be with us as well. Having said this he is still no star and wont prove to be a huge loss in the long run.

 

[foj1]

I can wear the Richards trade because at the end he wanted out. But he wasnt nurtured well and I think as a club it is dubious how we induct young players into our team- see draftees from 2000-2001 who should have been regular AFL players now. At the end of the year we will most likely burn a player like Cartledge though have we given him the opportunity to flourish? We drafted him as a 17 year old who played about 5 good games at TAC cup level. We have played him mainly as a ruckmen where he is giving height and weight and then this year we play a first year player in front of him who has no form behind him but was a high draft pick with the POTENTIAL to be good.
We supposedly adopt a youth policy yet continue to play bolton, give additional games to Peverill and play hird and solomon when they are unfit. Richards to me is a perfect synopsis of what we have done poorly as a footy club over the past 5 years and we are paying for our mistakes. Which of our youngsters look to be A grade players from the last 4 drafts. Maybe Stanton if he could kick, Monfries if he had an additional 10+ kilos. Then we try and correct our problems by acquiring Campo and Cole.

 

[ant555]

I can wear the Richards trade because at the end he wanted out. But he wasnt nurtured well and I think as a club it is dubious how we induct young players into our team- see draftees from 2000-2001 who should have been regular AFL players now. At the end of the year we will most likely burn a player like Cartledge though have we given him the opportunity to flourish? We drafted him as a 17 year old who played about 5 good games at TAC cup level. We have played him mainly as a ruckmen where he is giving height and weight and then this year we play a first year player in front of him who has no form behind him but was a high draft pick with the POTENTIAL to be good.
We supposedly adopt a youth policy yet continue to play bolton, give additional games to Peverill and play hird and solomon when they are unfit. Richards to me is a perfect synopsis of what we have done poorly as a footy club over the past 5 years and we are paying for our mistakes. Which of our youngsters look to be A grade players from the last 4 drafts. Maybe Stanton if he could kick, Monfries if he had an additional 10+ kilos. Then we try and correct our problems by acquiring Campo and Cole.

So what you are saying is Richards should have played more even tough his body was ready for it? I would have tohught that Sheedy has been proven correct with him. He was given time to develop and then left once he felt he had the confidence to play more footy.If he was any good we would have offered more to keep him.
As for Cole it is unlucky that injury has hit him. He is still young and has time on his side.
I dont know why people are surprised that Sheedy plays a mixture of young and old. Yes a few of them shouldnt really be playing but he has never thrown in a completly young side.

 

[foj1]

So what you are saying is Richards should have played more even tough his body was ready for it? I would have tohught that Sheedy has been proven correct with him. He was given time to develop and then left once he felt he had the confidence to play more footy.If he was any good we would have offered more to keep him.
As for Cole it is unlucky that injury has hit him. He is still young and has time on his side.
I dont know why people are surprised that Sheedy plays a mixture of young and old. Yes a few of them shouldnt really be playing but he has never thrown in a completly young side.

Was Reynolds physically able to play on Fevola? Is Johns capable of running a game out? Do you really think Sheedy had a plan for Richards. If so your point is correct and he would have convinced Richards to stay. You didnt answer my question which draftee is an a grade player? Richard Cole isnt unlucky, he came to preseason unfit mate.