List changes for 2015

[The Falcon Strike]

Ishchenko for Breman. That takes me back. I remember thinking Breman was going to be the best player ever. Could kick a footy.

Handy right arm into the wind as well

 

[Hairy Lager]

Ishchenko for Breman. That takes me back. I remember thinking Breman was going to be the best player ever. Could kick a footy.

So what are peoples thought on trading one of our rucks for a pick upgrade,
Nic off the table though. Lycett the obvious choice with best trade value.

 

[Monocle]

By the way, while players being upset with the coach wouldn't concern me even if true I would add one thing:

Tim Gepp.

Geppy is a bit of a prick. Brought back while Wooshas body was still warm by his mate Nisbett and thrust on the new coach as Match Committee chairman (I assume he still is?).

Gepp has form in undermining others and being the eyes and ears in the box for Nissie.


If Simpson shows any signs of rocking the Nisbett boat within the club, it wouldn't be beyond this ****** to report back anything he could to undermine Simmo.

Woosh was the first that needed to go but we still need a real broom through the old boys club and that starts with Nisbett and Gepp IMO ...

To clarify, I don't think there's anything in the story and, as I said in the rumours thread, I don't care if there are some unhappy older players - struggling to adapt to new methods and aging bodies - that's expected when you bring in a new coach (I.e some won't like it).

But if this is Tim Gepp leaking shit to weaken Simmo, well he's got form and he's a bloke that needs to be removed by Simmo ASAP ...


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Well said Eagle87 and your spot on with the character assessment.
I too was very disappointed when I found out that Gepp was back on board.
Likewise your " old boys club " assessment is also apt.
Both been good servants of the Club, no doubt , however they are stail and operating in their comfort zones and that never produces the best levels of either productiveness or creativeness .

I would see it as a huge leap forward if Simpson is stepping on a few precious toes both within the playing group and in the football department .

Mr Cransburg you need to address the replenishment of you administration. Oh and just a tip the recruiting staff would be an excellent starting point. Because they are inept at what they do .

 

[Off Tap]

So what are peoples thought on trading one of our rucks for a pick upgrade,
Nic off the table though. Lycett the obvious choice with best trade value.

We'd be crazy to off load any of the rucks at the moment. If anything I think you might find that we will be drafting one this year. Majority of sides have 4 rucks of various stages in development

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Ball to Sydney, also Hynes to Freo.

Oh yes, forgot Hynes who got us Phil Matera (and Fewster). Ball I never really thought of as a ruckman but he got us the pick that we used on Glass.

Going back to your original point though, exactly zero of those trades were "an integral part of our early success".

 

[Marlin01]

We'd be crazy to off load any of the rucks at the moment. If anything I think you might find that we will be drafting one this year. Majority of sides have 4 rucks of various stages in development

I think the key here is different stages of development. NN, Lycett and Sinclair are all at a similar stage of development. It's unlikely we'll be able to satisfy all of them. If we can get a quality mid, we'd definitely have to look at it.

 

[Hairy Lager]

I think the key here is different stages of development. NN, Lycett and Sinclair are all at a similar stage of development. It's unlikely we'll be able to satisfy all of them. If we can get a quality mid, we'd definitely have to look at it.

Yeah that makes complete sense. Just hope we can do something constructive in the draft this year.

 

[dajesmac]

I named a couple of likely to be list cloggers who were all under 190cm. hardly an opinion out of the realm of possible thought.

You named Carter, Hill, Tunbridge, Karpany and Main correct?

Well for starters none of them are midfielders. Carter and Karpany played there as juniors yes but not since being recruited. Main is a flanker who may move there.

Secondly two of them are 190cm or above (Main and Tunbridge).

To want them gone is one thing but I can't agree with or understand your premise at all...

 

[bodazoka]

Honestly don't know why people aernt chasing Sinclair, even a pinch hitting second ruck who plays forward he would be a good 22 player in allot of teams.

 

[dajesmac]

Hence the word 'maybe'. You never know someone like GWS maybe prepared to swap a young midfielder and draft picks with Wellingham. Maybe even Melbourne might offer something up. You don't know until you try and seeing as both Masten and Wellingham are under contract they don't have to move unless they want to.

I'm not sure it's a 'you never know' situation, it's pretty easy to gauge their value. Particularly Wellingham, he was traded for pick 18 eighteen months ago, and has been injured + played averagely since then. Best case scenario, he has retained his value. Still a bit of a nothing trade isn't it.

Which young midfielder would GWS part with for either one of these players?

 

[bodazoka]

You named Carter, Hill, Tunbridge, Karpany and Main correct?

Well for starters none of them are midfielders. Carter and Karpany played there as juniors yes but not since being recruited. Main is a flanker who may move there.

Secondly two of them are 190cm or above (Main and Tunbridge).

To want them gone is one thing but I can't agree with or understand your premise at all...

I clarified my position in earlier posts, I was not 100% specific earlier and probably jumped the gun a little. Basically they wont be what I think we need and I would like to open up as many spots as possible for late picks on players who may fit the bill (or at least closer than what the current guys are) and that is very good midfielders. You work on the premise that Cox/Butler/Waters don't retire and then look to have 5-6 spots on the list then those guys names start coming up.

 

[dajesmac]

I clarified my position in earlier posts, I was not 100% specific earlier and probably jumped the gun a little. Basically they wont be what I think we need and I would like to open up as many spots as possible for late picks on players who may fit the bill (or at least closer than what the current guys are) and that is very good midfielders. You work on the premise that Cox/Butler/Waters don't retire and then look to have 5-6 spots on the list then those guys names start coming up.

Haha okay, I understand you a little better now.

I personally think cutting Tunbridge would be silly as he is a talented project player and we may be on the verge of getting the return on our investment. Main has some nice attributes.

I guess Carter and Hill are a bit 'meh' and I'm not particularly attached to them. Would we pick up a prospect better than Carter late in the draft though? On the balance of probabilities probably not. I don't think the back end of drafts is where we should be looking.

Karpany I have no real opinion on other than I'm resentful we took him instead of going for Aish or Robertson.

 

[SpaceClef]

By the way, while players being upset with the coach wouldn't concern me even if true I would add one thing:

Tim Gepp.

Geppy is a bit of a prick. Brought back while Wooshas body was still warm by his mate Nisbett and thrust on the new coach as Match Committee chairman (I assume he still is?).

Gepp has form in undermining others and being the eyes and ears in the box for Nissie.


If Simpson shows any signs of rocking the Nisbett boat within the club, it wouldn't be beyond this ****** to report back anything he could to undermine Simmo.

Woosh was the first that needed to go but we still need a real broom through the old boys club and that starts with Nisbett and Gepp IMO ...

To clarify, I don't think there's anything in the story and, as I said in the rumours thread, I don't care if there are some unhappy older players - struggling to adapt to new methods and aging bodies - that's expected when you bring in a new coach (I.e some won't like it).

But if this is Tim Gepp leaking shit to weaken Simmo, well he's got form and he's a bloke that needs to be removed by Simmo ASAP ...


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What's the political structure like within afl clubs? Does the coach have power to influence these sorts of appointments? Is every club different? Does the coach only get a say over the players and assistants (ie do they also get to appoint new recruiting staff etc)?

Or is it a bit dictatorial with Nisbett or Cransberg given ultimate power over this stuff?

 

[Peter Wallis]

Haha okay, I understand you a little better now.

I personally think cutting Tunbridge would be silly as he is a talented project player and we may be on the verge of getting the return on our investment. Main has some nice attributes.

I guess Carter and Hill are a bit 'meh' and I'm not particularly attached to them. Would we pick up a prospect better than Carter late in the draft though? On the balance of probabilities probably not. I don't think the back end of drafts is where we should be looking.

Karpany I have no real opinion on other than I'm resentful we took him instead of going for Aish or Robertson.

Aish was taken with pick 7 so you couldn't have got him anyway.

In terms of delistings, from the outside looking in, possible delistings/retirements as I see it are Waters, Brennan, Cox, Glass, Butler, Smith, Wilson, Hill & McGinnity. I doubt if all of those will go as I would expect WC to take no more than 5 draftees this year. Glass is confirmed, I think Cox will follow suit & I would think that Smith will already know his fate.

I wouldn't entertain a trade for Lycett as I think he will be a really good player for you & I would think that Sinclair is a certainty to be upgraded from the Rookie list.

As far as trades are concerned, I would only be interested in trading out, unless say O'Meara was on the table which seems highly unlikely. Selwood has been mentioned as a possible trade, but realistically a mid 2nd round pick would be the best you could hope for which doesn't seem worthwhile imo.

All in all, the recruiters need to get it right in this draft & look outside of WA for a change otherwise things will only get worse. If Waterman is bid for with a first round pick, then let him go, there will be better players available. Speed & skill in the midfield must be a priority. The KPP's look ok as McInnes & Barrass will get opportunities next year & McGovern looks a real player & will only get better as he reaches the required fitness levels.

I want the Eagles to come good as they are my 2nd favourite team, but their recruiting strategies in recent years have frustrated me. They overpaid on Wellingham, & Cripps to me was only recruited because he wanted to come home. They need to be more selective & hopefully with Simpson as coach, this will occur.

 

[dajesmac]

Aish was taken with pick 7 so you couldn't have got him anyway.

We traded down from 6 to 11 to specifically get a second rounder, which was Karpany.

 

[Peter Wallis]

We traded down from 6 to 11 to specifically get a second rounder, which was Karpany.

I'm pretty sure that they were going to take Sheed with pick 6 & when the deal was done with Collingwood to get pick 11, they were still confident that Sheed would still be available for them, which he was.

I was critical of this at the time & nothing has occurred since which has changed my mind. I think they overrated Sheed & drafted him because he was the best WA talent available.

 

[dajesmac]

I'm pretty sure that they were going to take Sheed with pick 6 & when the deal was done with Collingwood to get pick 11, they were still confident that Sheed would still be available for them, which he was.

I was critical of this at the time & nothing has occurred since which has changed my mind. I think they overrated Sheed & drafted him because he was the best WA talent available.

Tend to agree. Sheed seems okay but I would've preferred Aish.

Karpany over Robertson seemed silly to me aswell so I'd love to be proven wrong on that one.

 

[Peter Wallis]

Tend to agree. Sheed seems okay but I would've preferred Aish.

Karpany over Robertson seemed silly to me aswell so I'd love to be proven wrong on that one.

Karpany is an interesting one. He played a bit of senior footy in the SANFL early 2013 but ended the season playing in the Under 18s. I would have thought he was more a 4th round or rookie draft pick so I was surprised he was taken so early.

Robertson is clearly ahead of him at this point of their development, maybe we can judge better in a couple of years.

 

[the harry]

Well OK, but there were seven outs in the post you quoted and then you named five more. Our chances of finding "premier mids" in the eighth round of the draft would be pretty minimal I would have thought.

With that attitude it would be

 

[dajesmac]

Karpany is an interesting one. He played a bit of senior footy in the SANFL early 2013 but ended the season playing in the Under 18s. I would have thought he was more a 4th round or rookie draft pick so I was surprised he was taken so early.

Robertson is clearly ahead of him at this point of their development, maybe we can judge better in a couple of years.

True, Karpany is definitely a project player. I wanted Robertson for his height, speed and aggression though.

 

[ChampRevesby]

True, Karpany is definitely a project player. I wanted Robertson for his height, speed and aggression though.

Watched a few games when Karp has been playing. He really does not seem interested at all. It could be he just doesn't want to be in Perth or has second thoughts about playing football. He won't last long I reckon.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Hopefully he'll lift in the next few years with competition from Muzza, or otherwise he might be on his way back to SA (trade or SANFL)...

 

[ziad]

Watched a few games when Karp has been playing. He really does not seem interested at all. It could be he just doesn't want to be in Perth or has second thoughts about playing football. He won't last long I reckon.

I have only seen him in the Foxtel Cup and he looked very promising.

Perhaps he will play tonight and I will get a second look.

 

[Beutbrute]

When Cox retires, our squad will go from 4 ruckmen to 3. I don't know why we would even look at trading one of those 3 ruckmen away from the club it just wouldn't make any sense. If anything we should be looking at drafting another ruck to replace Cox

 

[Off Tap]

I think the key here is different stages of development. NN, Lycett and Sinclair are all at a similar stage of development. It's unlikely we'll be able to satisfy all of them. If we can get a quality mid, we'd definitely have to look at it.

I can see where you're coming from but with Nic Nat missing games last year and an injury cloud still hanging over him I think the 3 rucks would be safe.