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[captain cotch 9]

We need to keep Mcgaune.

 

[Madtiger2006]

You are aware we have to delist a minimum of three players from the senior list?

How about if we add tuck and Newman to veteran list? Judging by dimmas comments, Nahas will probably be on the list next year

 

[tigs2010]

Why should he stay? Is at best a sub par AFL player

Dea can play. He kills VFL. Way too good for that level but he's stuck behind 2 very good players in Houli and Morris who are two of our best players. We've put 4 years development into him and he can play so no point getting rid of him and drafting an untried kid. At AFL he is a good shut down defender but doesn't do enough offensively. Lacks confidence which would come with regular games which he won't get without an injury. Handy back-up.

Btw was being sarcastic with my post.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I can't see top 4 sides with players such as petterd, lonergan and Stephenson on their list. We need skill and composer. No kick and hope players

 

[tigs2010]

I can't see top 4 sides with players such as petterd, lonergan and Stephenson on their list. We need skill and composer. No kick and hope players

Petterd deserves another chance IMO

 

[Stitch]

Delist: Nahas, Verrier, Derickx, Lonergan, A.Edwards
Retire: Stephenson, Tuck
Trade Bait: Nahas, Griffiths, Helbig, Batchelor
50/50: Mcguane and White will attract attention but we should be keeping both. Darrou may come handy if a KPD goes down and should be kept. Williams has done nothing wrong. Dea is a great athlete, leader and is terrific back up.
Bring in: experienced back up ruckman.

 

[tigs2010]

I posted in the other thread what I'd do but this is likely to get more traffic.

First things first we need to get Dusty and Conca's signature's.

FREE AGENCY
Nothing - I think we should save our money for next year's stronger free agency pool.

TRADE WEEK
Pick 13 for Taylor Adams - Adams is a gun already performing to a high level and would give us an immediate boost. He's a sure thing which a draft pick is not.

Ben Griffiths & Pick 49 for Pick 22 (Saints) - I think the Saints will come sniffing for a KPD and his lack of intensity shows he probably needs a change of scenery. He may come back to bite us ala Schulzy but I think he needs a wake-up call if he's to have a good career.

Robin Nahas & Pick 67 for Pick 59 (Bulldogs) - Dogs apparently keen and more a token trade to help out a guy looking for more opportunity (ala Morton)

Overall: In: Adams, pick 22, pick 59 Out: Griffiths, Nahas, pick 13, pick 49, pick 67
Gain a gun midfielder and some pick upgrades for guys not getting regular games. Maintain a strong draft position with pick 22 & 31.

DELISTINGS
Main List:
Tom Derickx - Should look to upgrade at the ruck position. Doesn't look like making the grade. Could always rookie him if the better options go before our pick.
Aaron Edwards - IMO we only need one of him and McGuane as McBean/Elton/Astbury all mature and get regular games. Currently McGuane has it for mine but it's been chopping and changing all year. Could go either way. McGuane becomes a veteran the year after so would save salary space too for 2015 if he lasts.

Rookie List:

Steven Verrier - Had 2 years as a rookie without looking like cracking a game. As a small/medium type player it's time to move on and try something else. Let him stay in the VFL side if he wishes as he knows the game plan.
Sam Lonergan - His skills are poor. I thought he'd offer us a fair bit and get a fair few games. Was excited when we got him. But he's a good VFL player and pretty ordinary AFL player. Would be fantastic if we convinced him to stay in the VFL side to throw his body around.
Orren Stephenson - Done a good job as back-up but I think Tyrone will give Maric a chop out next year and I want us to rookie a younger, more talented state league player that will be there for the long haul. Re-rookie if we miss out on one of them.

Overall: Frees up 3 spots in each draft to add talented kids and some skilful state leaguers.

DRAFT
My picks here are different to the other thread after a convo with another poster because the guys I wanted may not be realistic.
NATIONAL DRAFT
Pick 22: Billy Hartung (177cm/76kg - Midfielder) Would add some blistering speed to our midfield. Breaks lines and loves to take the game on. Good user of the footy. Has an enormous tank not unlike Brandon Ellis but has the speed with it.
Pick 31: Patrick Cripps (188cm/88kg - Midfielder) Contested beast whose a really good size. Has drawn some comparisons to Jobe Watson. Uses the footy pretty well on the outside but his strength lies with his inside work which Dimma will love. Another kid to add to the list of high character, tough kids we keep drafting.
Pick 59: Jarman Impey (178cm/76kg - Forward/Midfielder) One of my favourites of this draft. Quick, skilled, great goal sense and strong for a small forward/midfielder. However, these types often get talked up on BF and then go later in the draft. Bit or luck Blair can convince the Dogs to a trade of pick 67 & Nahas for pick in early 40's to ensure we get him.

ROOKIE DRAFT
Pick 13: Rory Lobb (205cm/?kg - Ruck) No surprise we need a ruckman. Still not sold he's 205cm but this kid shows a lot. We may have to take him in the main draft to ensure we get him. Ex-basketballer who dominates the tap outs and is handy around the ground.
Pick 31: Mitch Banner (179cm/80kg - Midfielder) Ex-Port midfielder who I've kept a close eye on thanks to RodneyDangerfield and he's correct. This kid deserves another chance. Would be a Lonergan upgrade whose ready to go if needed and uses the ball well and hits the scoreboard regularly at WAFL level.
Pick 49: Aliir Aliir (196cm/85kg - KPD) Super athletic kid we were keen on last year. Massive project for Leppa to work on his body work. Huge potential though in what I'd classify as a weak draft.

 

[SumTingWong]

Impey at pick 59 would be daylight robbery

 

[Dragonss]

Dea can play. He kills VFL. Way too good for that level but he's stuck behind 2 very good players in Houli and Morris who are two of our best players. We've put 4 years development into him and he can play so no point getting rid of him and drafting an untried kid. At AFL he is a good shut down defender but doesn't do enough offensively. Lacks confidence which would come with regular games which he won't get without an injury. Handy back-up.

Btw was being sarcastic with my post.

Back up isn't good enough to sway me. Think he'll ask for a trade to get more opportunities.
Astbury and Griffo might also ask for a trade. Since this years draft doesn't look like a KPP draft we might be able to offer some clubs something.

 

[tigs2010]

Impey at pick 59 would be daylight robbery

Put McCartney in then. Impey has workrate issues. Won't be surprised if he lasts.

 

[tigs2010]

Back up isn't good enough to sway me. Think he'll ask for a trade to get more opportunities.
Astbury and Griffo might also ask for a trade. Since this years draft doesn't look like a KPP draft we might be able to offer some clubs something.

I think one of griff or Astbury will go. We need quality back up which dea is. No
Point drafting a kid at pick 80 to replace him.

 

[juss]

Back up isn't good enough to sway me. Think he'll ask for a trade to get more opportunities.
Astbury and Griffo might also ask for a trade. Since this years draft doesn't look like a KPP draft we might be able to offer some clubs something.

Why would Astbury and Griffiths ask for a trade? Only reason they haven't played is due to injuries. Griff gets knocked out every second week and Astbury has had a few injuries.

 

[juss]

Back up isn't good enough to sway me. Think he'll ask for a trade to get more opportunities.
Astbury and Griffo might also ask for a trade. Since this years draft doesn't look like a KPP draft we might be able to offer some clubs something.

Why would Astbury and Griffiths ask for a trade? Only reason they haven't played is due to injuries. Griff gets knocked out every second week and Astbury has had a few injuries.

 

[Tigey]

Nick Dal santo/Adam cooney

 

[Stitch]

Nick Dal santo/Adam cooney

Will put a large price on their head. We're better off backing our kids and saving our money.

 

[TheAnt]

Dea is Chris Newmans replacement, everyone on this forum shouts down rookies getting games right now and Newman/Houli are sadly too good for Dea to have a spot in the side just for now... He's had some good games this season. Ridiculous to get rid of him.

 

[partycorolla]

I can't see top 4 sides with players such as petterd, lonergan and Stephenson on their list. We need skill and composer. No kick and hope players

We need someone to write music? Why?

 

[TheAnt]

Also..Joel Tippett in the PSD? Do we really want Taylor Adams? Personally I think Freeman/Bontempelli would be moer suited to our needs.

 

[Stitch]

Also..Joel Tippett in the PSD? Do we really want Taylor Adams? Personally I think Freeman/Bontempelli would be moer suited to our needs.

Long term i'd much rather take freeman or bontempelli, I think they'll be much better players.
But Adams will be a consistent high level player that'll offer greater short term success, which is what we need as I see our realistic premiership window as 2014 - 2016.

 

[tigs2010]

Also..Joel Tippett in the PSD? Do we really want Taylor Adams? Personally I think Freeman/Bontempelli would be moer suited to our needs.

Long term i'd much rather take freeman or bontempelli, I think they'll be much better players.
But Adams will be a consistent high level player that'll offer greater short term success, which is what we need as I see our realistic premiership window as 2014 - 2016.

Adams is better than freeman IMO. Bontempelli could end up better but I don't think he will be available an he could very well end up a bust.

 

[Stitch]

Adams is better than freeman IMO. Bontempelli could end up better but I don't think he will be available an he could very well end up a bust.

So would you take Adams over Bontempelli then?
Adams is shaping up into a J.Selwood statistically, and sounds much safer of the two.
Bontempelli could be Pendlebury or Cale Morton or something entirely different, sounds like a hit or miss.

 

[tigs2010]

So would you take Adams over Bontempelli then?
Adams is shaping up into a J.Selwood statistically, and sounds much safer of the two.
Bontempelli could be Pendlebury or Cale Morton or something entirely different, sounds like a hit or miss.

Happy with either. Probably Adams due to the reasons you stated previously about instant impact. Bontempelli could end up better but no guarantees of him even being AFL quality despite the potential. Adams is a proven commodity which I like and at only 20 years of age.

 

[theflea]

I called it the veterans list but thats not exactly what i meant (my bad)

What i was trying to say is that we would struggle to delist 4-5 players without cutting players that should still be given another year like helbig,Griffiths,Dea and i believe even though i dont like mcguane he has been serviceable this year and white certainly deserves another year.

Verrier,darrou,stephenson.Lonergan are more expendable and would be / should be delisted rather than the others so we can continue to have the influx of the youth coming through

What McGuane,white,tuck (all will be on less that 150k) also provide is cheap depth regarding cash which we can use to tie up players like Martin,Conca,Ellis,Vlastuin whilst also providing reasonable quality depth

Based on 2013 performances and with the makeup of our side , I believe this would be the best result

Being a veteran only gives a reduction of salary and in no way allows more players on your list. so going on your delistings we would only have 2 senior spots and would need another player to go. If we decide to have an additional player or 2 then we have to reduce our rookie list by 2 to 4 only.

 

[THE_GUN]

Being a veteran only gives a reduction of salary and in no way allows more players on your list. so going on your delistings we would only have 2 senior spots and would need another player to go. If we decide to have an additional player or 2 then we have to reduce our rookie list by 2 to 4 only.

From what i believe the number of veterans you have on your list just reduces the number of rookie spots available - so effectively outside the main list

 

[theflea]

I really cant understand why people are saying we should delist and rookie certain players

Nahas,Dericks - should be certainly moved on

Lonergan,Verrier have not shown enough or the quality to be with us in the future

Stephenson - Really doesnt offer us that much playing 2-3 games a year and is too old (better of developing a 20/21 yo ruck

Darrou - I think he is just a backup 3rd tall thats not really kp height and we certainly have enough of his size

We have the chance to make Jackson,Foley,Newman,Tuck all vets and still draft kids to maintain the quality of youngsters coming through

McGuane - As i mentioned before i have never been a fan but at $100-$150k is worth keeping on the list another year

White - Certainly has earned another year this year and with the amount of vets we have has the chance to get 1 more year atleast and wouldnt be on high $$$ so good for depth and at the right cost

Tuck - This man is a MUST keep for another year , Tuck would be on low money probably $150k or there abouts of which $112,000 is not included in our tpp and not only provides great depth and ball winning ability but costs us nothing in our tpp which enables us to pay more to the likes of Conca,Ellis,Vlastuin etc

We should be looking at the Rookie list with new eyes this year and be smart in keeping good depth players like Tuck,White and McGuane and occupy as much as the vets rule allows us at the same time getting in 4-5 kids that can take us foward

Deledio,McGuane are eligable to be vet status in 2015

Who's the 3rd player your delisting for our minimum 3 picks in the ND.