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We found out yesterday which players could not cope with finals pressure. These players need to be replaced. Not delisted per se, but replaced by better options in our starting 22. True it's hard to base these decisions on one finals game (need to allow for having a bad game).

- Vickery is fast becomig a squib. Is he a 2nd ruckman or a key forward or something else? He doesn't like centre bounces and he doesn't like marking unless it's on the lead. Not good enough for a 200cm guy. I would thrown his name around at trade time and there would be some interest. I actually think Griffiths is a simple replacement for us. Same size, better forward, worse ruckman (but tall enough to play there). I don't know about the Stevenson retirement story is true but I would keep him on as backup.

- Riewoldt had a poor game yesterday. We have tried to turn an instinctive key forward into a 'team game' automaton, to our detriment. By all means use that style of play as a plan B to bring our other key forwards into the game. But we have a dual coleman-medalist playing as decoy tall trying to dish it off to on-ballers dashing past. He should have tried to put his mark on the game and kick 6. That's what the gun forwards do in finals!

- My favourite player Jacko, who had a good year (I even bought myself a DJ badge half way through the year), had a poor final. Dopey free kick on the boundary line and could not shut down Judd. Now that's no easy feat to shut down Judd, but we can't just continue to persist with a tagger who cannot shut down the best onballers. May was well just play our three best onballers at the centre bounces all day if you can't have one of them doing the job tagging. I would like to see Morris given a try. He is a maniac like DK, and DK was a great tagger in the second half of his career. As for DJ, I prefer him on the HFF and kept well away from centre bounces.

- Shane Edwards had a poor game. I like him and think he has improved a lot in the past few years. Did he wilt due to the pressure? Or was he still carrying a niggle? I expected a better game from him yesterday.

- Grigg has a lot of people up in arms this morning. I think mainly because he plays the role of the soft outside reciever. It's easy to not like players who play that role, but the reality is most teams put someone on the outside of the packs to take easy posession. So I don't think we can just pay out on him for being 'soft'. I haven't made up my mind about him.

- Petterd's selection was mystifying when we elected to drop Foley. Surely in finals footy you want as many skilled onballers as you can to rotate through the middle. Petterd has exceeded expectations this year, simply because most expected him to not even get a game. He did FA yesterday and I think his position on the ground could easily have been covered.

It's been a good year but a disappointing way to bow out. Still, I take that 1000 times more than finishing 9th again. I still feel we were robbed by that ****ing cheat umpire in Perth. We should rightfully have beaten Freo, that would have seen us finish 4th and have played Hawthorn (which we would have been a chance against), and get the double chance.
 

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tigerdan said:
We found out yesterday which players could not cope with finals pressure. These players need to be replaced. Not delisted per se, but replaced by better options in our starting 22. True it's hard to base these decisions on one finals game (need to allow for having a bad game).

- Vickery is fast becomig a squib. Is he a 2nd ruckman or a key forward or something else? He doesn't like centre bounces and he doesn't like marking unless it's on the lead. Not good enough for a 200cm guy. I would thrown his name around at trade time and there would be some interest. I actually think Griffiths is a simple replacement for us. Same size, better forward, worse ruckman (but tall enough to play there). I don't know about the Stevenson retirement story is true but I would keep him on as backup.

- Riewoldt had a poor game yesterday. We have tried to turn an instinctive key forward into a 'team game' automaton, to our detriment. By all means use that style of play as a plan B to bring our other key forwards into the game. But we have a dual coleman-medalist playing as decoy tall trying to dish it off to on-ballers dashing past. He should have tried to put his mark on the game and kick 6. That's what the gun forwards do in finals!

- My favourite player Jacko, who had a good year (I even bought myself a DJ badge half way through the year), had a poor final. Dopey free kick on the boundary line and could not shut down Judd. Now that's no easy feat to shut down Judd, but we can't just continue to persist with a tagger who cannot shut down the best onballers. May was well just play our three best onballers at the centre bounces all day if you can't have one of them doing the job tagging. I would like to see Morris given a try. He is a maniac like DK, and DK was a great tagger in the second half of his career. As for DJ, I prefer him on the HFF and kept well away from centre bounces.

- Shane Edwards had a poor game. I like him and think he has improved a lot in the past few years. Did he wilt due to the pressure? Or was he still carrying a niggle? I expected a better game from him yesterday.

- Grigg has a lot of people up in arms this morning. I think mainly because he plays the role of the soft outside reciever. It's easy to not like players who play that role, but the reality is most teams put someone on the outside of the packs to take easy posession. So I don't think we can just pay out on him for being 'soft'. I haven't made up my mind about him.

- Petterd's selection was mystifying when we elected to drop Foley. Surely in finals footy you want as many skilled onballers as you can to rotate through the middle. Petterd has exceeded expectations this year, simply because most expected him to not even get a game. He did FA yesterday and I think his position on the ground could easily have been covered.

It's been a good year but a disappointing way to bow out. Still, I take that 1000 times more than finishing 9th again. I still feel we were robbed by that ******* cheat umpire in Perth. We should rightfully have beaten Freo, that would have seen us finish 4th and have played Hawthorn (which we would have been a chance against), and get the double chance.
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Had a look at the replay Petterd. Petterd was amongst our best clearly IMO. Had a good game forward and back:thumbsu:
 
Mr Magic said:
Totally agreed, I didn't like his effort on the wing late but, seeing the replay his effort over 4 quarters was quite valuable.


Worst players was clearly S Edwards who hardly saw it and Rance was murdered by Waite!!
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Rance had impact at least I thought. Didn't win his battle in the end but still had positive moments in his first final.
 
nobulltiger said:
Rance had impact at least I thought. Didn't win his battle in the end but still had positive moments in his first final.
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Rance had a go, not necessarily blaming him because it appeared a bad match up and really someone else should have had a go. I assume we had no other options. If that is the case what is the point of Chaplin?

Although Rance had a crack Waite slaughtered us in goals, tackles, impact and tackles. In fact I think Waite was BOG in front of their mids and Betts
 
tigerdan said:
It's been a good year but a disappointing way to bow out. Still, I take that 1000 times more than finishing 9th again. I still feel we were robbed by that ******* cheat umpire in Perth. We should rightfully have beaten Freo, that would have seen us finish 4th and have played Hawthorn (which we would have been a chance against), and get the double chance.
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SHOULD have won in Perth but would never have finished fourth.
Simply, if we were a chance, Freo wouldn't have bought their reserve grade team to Melbourne for the season ender against the Saints!
 
Goldust said:
SHOULD have won in Perth but would never have finished fourth.
Simply, if we were a chance, Freo wouldn't have bought their reserve grade team to Melbourne for the season ender against the Saints!
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Would have finished above Sydney not Freo.
 

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It would be nice if we nailed our first pick again....but could we for once nail our 2nd and 3rd rounders?????????????????

06 - Edwards (28)
08 - Post (26)
09 - Griffiths (19), Astbury (35), Dea (44),
10 - Batch (30), Helbig (47)
11 - Elton (26)
12 - McIntosh (31), McBean (33)

When was the last time we picked up a genuine star outside of the first round. Other clubs seem to do it all the time...Lions (Redden/Rockliff), Freo (Fyfe) ect!

Bar Grimes we haven't unearthed a gem past the first round since Mark Coughlan. Your development speeds up considerably when you get a couple of guns out of a draft.
 
amcre said:
It would be nice if we nailed our first pick again....but could we for once nail our 2nd and 3rd rounders?????????????????

06 - Edwards (28)
08 - Post (26)
09 - Griffiths (19), Astbury (35), Dea (44),
10 - Batch (30), Helbig (47)
11 - Elton (26)
12 - McIntosh (31), McBean (33)

When was the last time we picked up a genuine star outside of the first round. Other clubs seem to do it all the time...Lions (Redden/Rockliff), Freo (Fyfe) ect!

Bar Grimes we haven't unearthed a gem past the first round since Mark Coughlan. Your development speeds up considerably when you get a couple of guns out of a draft.
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MCBEAAAAAN
 

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TFLUA-Tiger said:
I'm still bemused by this comment. Do you actually think the sanfl is weaker than the vfl or the wafl? It's very strong..
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The sanfl is the best comp outside the afl. You only need to look at the number of mature aged recruits from adelaide making an impact for their respective clubs.
 
We need to make some seriously hard decisions next year, i think we need to phase out, kingy, S.Edwards for a start, they just leave to much of a hole in the spot they play especially against the stronger sides!!
 
wart101 said:
We need to make some seriously hard decisions next year, i think we need to phase out, kingy, S.Edwards for a start, they just leave to much of a hole in the spot they play especially against the stronger sides!!
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S Edwards needs to stay but 90% of game time as a forward pocket not a midfielder. Kingy is on the way out along with Newman next year I would have thought.
 

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