List Cull pre draft

[PapaJ]

Thanks PapaJ.
All the speculation is too much for me, so I thought I'll sit back a little to wait and see what happen

Given the rule and our list situation, seems like we can't really go for speculative FAs or trades. Anyone we bring in must not only be an improvement, it must also outweigh the loss of Duffy or Simpson (or someone else with potential), since we need to drop another one to maintain the quota of 3.

Now I'm really thinking there is a chance we may trade Clarke or Suban for picks/upgrades in order to maintain space on the list.

FWIW, I'll thought that Hannath is more at risk that Duffy for the final spot for delist.

Yeah cool. Unlike a lot of us, sounds like you have a life - you being able to switch off while the circus rolls on.

On the last line, I would agree, but Hannath is signed up for another 2 years (or was it 1??), Duffy is, as far as we know, currently uncontracted. That makes him prime target for dropping out of the list (one way or another) at this stage. Not a sure thing buy any measure, but more likely the longer he remains unsigned.

 

[Freo88]

Yeah cool. Unlike a lot of us, sounds like you have a life - you being able to switch off while the circus rolls on.

On the last line, I would agree, but Hannath is signed up for another 2 years (or was it 1??), Duffy is, as far as we know, currently uncontracted. That makes him prime target for dropping out of the list (one way or another) at this stage. Not a sure thing buy any measure, but more likely the longer he remains unsigned.

Duffy signed a new 1 year contract
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/25001136/de-boer-weighs-up-dockers-pay-cut/

 

[PapaJ]

Duffy signed a new 1 year contract
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/25001136/de-boer-weighs-up-dockers-pay-cut/

That's what I thought. But apparently there is a bit of confusion over it. There was nothing announced officially by the club, so it seems a touch up in the air.

Perhaps he was offered the one year (as DeBoer was and has been confirmed as accepted) and the paper assumed it was a done deal?

 

[apuchar]

That's what I thought. But apparently there is a bit of confusion over it. There was nothing announced officially by the club, so it seems a touch up in the air.

Perhaps he was offered the one year (as DeBoer was and has been confirmed as accepted) and the paper assumed it was a done deal?

They may have signed him with the understanding that he may be a part of a trade but if not he will stay on our list.

 

[Clive Diablo]

They may have signed him on a delist and redraft if we don't trade someone away to free up a main list spot. For cap and list reasons. Downside is someone could draft or list him like Lower.

 

[PapaJ]

They may have signed him on a delist and redraft if we don't trade someone away to free up a main list spot. For cap and list reasons. Downside is someone could draft or list him like Lower.

Sounds possible, but he wouldn't have signed to such a thing. They could make a verbal agreement to such things, but that doesn't make him contracted as such. But technicalities aside, what you're saying is a possibility.

 

[Gekko71]

...For me I find the complete silence on Simpson confusing.. surely its a delist and rookie spot?

I think the problem with de-listing josh is that he may not last five seconds on a rookie list. Unless Freo has the very first selection, he would be too tempting a prize for someone else to pass over... you just don't get players of his caliber that cheaply.

 

[jusjoshin]

I think the problem with de-listing josh is that he may not last five seconds on a rookie list. Unless Freo has the very first selection, he would be too tempting a prize for someone else to pass over... you just don't get players of his caliber that cheaply.

Too risky to pay any more. No team would try to take him out of the state, and I can't see WC having the patience to nurture him.

 

[Gekko71]

Too risky to pay any more. No team would try to take him out of the state, and I can't see WC having the patience to nurture him.

I see your point, but what occurred to me - assuming Coulda's source is credible - is that Josh may have finally put the worst of his problems behind him. Granted he's been high maintenance in the past in certain respects, and both he and the club have had to overcome some unique challenges, but to my mind that's still not enough of a disincentive to guarantee some club taking a low-risk, low-cost speculative punt on him. Even when he's off his best, some of the things Josh can do on a footy field just can't be bought at any price.

 

[Nickos66]

I think the problem with de-listing josh is that he may not last five seconds on a rookie list. Unless Freo has the very first selection, he would be too tempting a prize for someone else to pass over... you just don't get players of his caliber that cheaply.

I don't think that'll be a factor, just quietly. Clubs would loathe to complicate a matter such as his by throwing him another curve ball to turn his life upside down - it creates more of a hurdle for him to climb and ultimately, further drastically reduces his chances of reaching the potential everybody knows he has. I don't think there's a club in the league that would simply assume they could swoop on him and he'd be hunky dory and ready to go for them.

 

[Gekko71]

I don't think that'll be a factor, just quietly. Clubs would loathe to complicate a matter such as his by throwing him another curve ball to turn his life upside down - it creates more of a hurdle for him to climb and ultimately, further drastically reduces his chances of reaching the potential everybody knows he has. I don't think there's a club in the league that would simply assume they could swoop on him and he'd be hunky dory and ready to go for them.

Perhaps you're right - but still, I think it's a risk not worth taking. Myself, I wouldn't chance it.

 

[jusjoshin]

I see your point, but what occurred to me - assuming Coulda's source is credible - is that Josh may have finally put the worst of his problems behind him. Granted he's been high maintenance in the past in certain respects, and both he and the club have had to overcome some unique challenges, but to my mind that's still not enough of a disincentive to guarantee some club taking a low-risk, low-cost speculative punt on him. Even when he's off his best, some of the things Josh can do on a footy field just can't be bought at any price.

If he ends up playing footy anywhere, it will be with Freo. Clubs are becoming increasingly risk averse with their drafting. I highly doubt any recruiter would be willing to risk picking him up. It isn't so much that there would not be reward (he is the epitome of high risk, high reward), it is just that these kinds of pick ups can really cost a team in terms of morale, bad PR, disruption.

 

[Nickos66]

Perhaps you're right - but still, I think it's a risk not worth taking. Myself, I wouldn't chance it.

I think as a worst case scenario - we'd just be forced to pick somebody else that fans would instantly attach themselves to. Nothing against Josh at all, but fans have pretty short memories when it comes to these things.

 

[Agenfrida]

assuming Coulda's source is credible - is that Josh may have finally put the worst of his problems behind him.

If that's the case, leave him on the senior list.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I think the problem with de-listing josh is that he may not last five seconds on a rookie list. Unless Freo has the very first selection, he would be too tempting a prize for someone else to pass over... you just don't get players of his caliber that cheaply.

Totally disagree with that.
Josh would now be an untouchable for 17 clubs.
He will be at Fremantle or lost to AFL.

 

[Purpletown]

I don't think that'll be a factor, just quietly. Clubs would loathe to complicate a matter such as his by throwing him another curve ball to turn his life upside down - it creates more of a hurdle for him to climb and ultimately, further drastically reduces his chances of reaching the potential everybody knows he has. I don't think there's a club in the league that would simply assume they could swoop on him and he'd be hunky dory and ready to go for them.

Most clubs would see him as damaged goods now you would think. It's Freo or the bush for Josh so if he is going to have an AFL career Bond and Co will need to be convinced he can turn it all around.

There will be some very serious talks going on within the club about his future right now and it's hard to see the club being happy to go on with him too far into the future without some spectacular change of direction re him fitting the system rather than the system bending to accommodate him.

I hope for the best but am pessimistic about his future at Freo.

 

[salim malik]

Josh's manager was interviewed on trade radio a couple of minutes ago and said Josh cant wait to get back into training and wants to continue an AFL career with Freo
He said that Freo taking the game away from him has shown him how much he has missed .
Said it was up to Freo if he stays on the list and as Freo still need to free up another spot he wasnt sure which way it would go
He was asked if there was a problem between Ross and Josh and said no that Ross was supportive to Josh and his personal problems

 

[Clems Knee]

Josh's manager was interviewed on trade radio a couple of minutes ago and said Josh cant wait to get back into training and wants to continue an AFL career with Freo
He said that Freo taking the game away from him has shown him how much he has missed .
Said it was up to Freo if he stays on the list and as Freo still need to free up another spot he wasnt sure which way it would go
He was asked if there was a problem between Ross and Josh and said no that Ross was supportive to Josh and his personal problems

Who is Simpson's manager? I can't find any reference on the official website.

 

[salim malik]

Who is Simpson's manager? I can't find any reference on the official website.

Jason Dover

 

[Big Animal]

Ben's brother

 

[beetz]

Josh's manager was interviewed on trade radio a couple of minutes ago and said Josh cant wait to get back into training and wants to continue an AFL career with Freo
He said that Freo taking the game away from him has shown him how much he has missed .
Said it was up to Freo if he stays on the list and as Freo still need to free up another spot he wasnt sure which way it would go
He was asked if there was a problem between Ross and Josh and said no that Ross was supportive to Josh and his personal problems

Thanks for this update on Josh.

Not sure how to take it though.

 

[salim malik]

Thanks for this update on Josh.

Not sure how to take it though.

Yeh,he didnt clear up whether Josh would stay on the list but did say Josh was super keen to continue and was ready to start training now
A positive statement on Josh's attitude you would think

 

[salim malik]

Dover on trade radio now

 

[beetz]

Yeh,he didnt clear up whether Josh would stay on the list but did say Josh was super keen to continue and was ready to start training now
A positive statement on Josh's attitude you would think

Absolutely, I am happy he has come out and said that.Words are one thing but now he has to put it into action. All depends on what the club wants to do - they still have another delisting to make.

Hope both club and Josh are on the same page though.

 

[Purpletown]

Josh's manager was interviewed on trade radio a couple of minutes ago and said Josh cant wait to get back into training and wants to continue an AFL career with Freo
He said that Freo taking the game away from him has shown him how much he has missed .
Said it was up to Freo if he stays on the list and as Freo still need to free up another spot he wasnt sure which way it would go
He was asked if there was a problem between Ross and Josh and said no that Ross was supportive to Josh and his personal problems

What he says is interesting but what he does is the crucial part of that interview. ie just get stuck into it and make the most of the opportunity for his sake and the teams sake - talk is cheap.

Just a player manager talking up his client as much as anything I think.