List deficiencies: What are they, and how do we fix them?

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geelong don't/didn't have a out an out inside mid,ling maybe? but they seemed to do ok in the past 5 years without one...we the two good one's so people need to chill about that bit

Dangerfield for gibbs hahaha dangermouse up till 5 rounds ago was only just in the crows best 22,an he had a crap game on the weekend... gibbs is mile ahead of dangermouse!!!


do we have the tallest avg player? alot of players 6 foot an over :confused:
 

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Wrong about Geelong, they had a whole midfield, just about a whole team of strong bodied footballers. If you haven't noticed, Ablett, Bartel, Chapman, Ling etc are all big powerful men. They had as many, if not more big strong powerful players than we have lightly built players.
 
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Wrong about Geelong, they had a whole midfield, just about a whole team of strong bodied footballers. If you haven't noticed, Ablett, Bartel, Chapman, Ling etc are all big powerful men. They had as many, if not more big strong powerful players than we have lightly built players.
judd,robbo,armfield,curnow ,ellard murphy, see a patten? less games ... i was just making a point we have the players,just lack the 100 game mark like geelong.. an i disagree on bartel,plays like murphy,if gaz is a inside mid as is judd so why do people say we don't have any inside mids?
 

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judd,robbo,armfield,curnow ,ellard murphy, see a patten? less games ... i was just making a point we have the players,just lack the 100 game mark like geelong.. an i disagree on bartel,plays like murphy,if gaz is a inside mid as is judd so why do people say we don't have any inside mids?
The word "inside mid" is just another term for a player capable of playing on the ball and winning contested footy. Geelong had a heap of players who would more often than not beat their opponants for the ball and had a great ability to clear it from ball ups. We don't. Murphy is clearly an "inside mid" but like all good players can play hurt the opposition as an "outside mid". Outside Midfielder being another name for a player who can get out in space and is often apt at running with the ball and gaining uncontested possessions. We have too many players who are either one of the other. We really don't want any more one dimensional players. we need to know that all our players are able to hurt the opposition when we have the ball by finding space and that all of them are capable of winning the contested ball and that is where Geelong won their premierships.
 

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Wrong about Geelong, they had a whole midfield, just about a whole team of strong bodied footballers. If you haven't noticed, Ablett, Bartel, Chapman, Ling etc are all big powerful men. They had as many, if not more big strong powerful players than we have lightly built players.
Spot on.:thumbsu:

Thompson understands the importance of a strong body in players -they are better at the ball, they have greater endurance and tehy get fewer injuries over the long run.

I look at our team and possible substitutes - and really there must be some allergy to muscle at Carlton. Have a look at the body shapes we are up against in Adelaide this week - they are physically able to play that style of footie.
 

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Having watched the AFL Insider and 360 (thanks Wookie!!!) dissections of the St Kilda game, it seems like the perceived lack of an inside mid might also be a strutural thing. Essendon, GWS, and St Kilda all exploited us around the stoppages by blocking our run and crowding us in.

It might also be that our skills in tight aren't up to scratch. Take away 3-5% of the passion, like we seemed to be lacking this last month, and it would certainly look as if we need some better players in there.

Perhaps our players just need a bit more time to polish their skills, I'm thinking here of Curnow and Tuohy and Ellard and whoever else gets used inside a lot.
 

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Speaking of Geelong mids, would it be worth throwing Simon hogan a carrot? Been around and trained with the best of the best for quite some time, still a very hard midfield to crack, he would add that bigger frame around a contest and probably wouldn't brake the bank....

Thoughts??
 

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or our goddamn mids can go and get their own ball in packs. Nothing worse than seeing 5 navy blue jumpers standing around the outside of a pack and no one but Kreuzer or Robinson in the middle of things.
 

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A big part of the problem is that whenever the club has tried to plug these holes recently, it has gone pear shaped.

McClean, Rowe, Mitchell, and you might event throw Johnson and Twomey in there. The club makes the call, but for one reason or another it hasnt worked out.

Still time for some of them to work, but for others the experiment has failed.

That hasn't made our list look any better, that's for sure.
 

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We just lack the blance between contest winning and a running game. We lack a powerful core. Maybe we expected a number of players to turn out differently. Because we lack that strong core the game is not often played on our terms. It would be nice to see a guy like Russell step up, who is big and strong, and do something worth while in the center.
 

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A big part of the problem is that whenever the club has tried to plug these holes recently, it has gone pear shaped.

McClean, Rowe, Mitchell, and you might event throw Johnson and Twomey in there. The club makes the call, but for one reason or another it hasnt worked out.

Still time for some of them to work, but for others the experiment has failed.

That hasn't made our list look any better, that's for sure.
Johnson was a PSD pick & Twomey a rookie pick. You can't always get a Betts or Jamison or Garlett from the PSD/rookie draft.

Rowe's illness is just very unfortunate & Mitchell has been unlucky with shoulder injuries (much like 1AW was). These things are out of a club's control. Much like Essendon with Gumbleton, North Melbourne with Jesse W Smith.
 

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We just lack the blance between contest winning and a running game. We lack a powerful core. Maybe we expected a number of players to turn out differently. Because we lack that strong core the game is not often played on our terms. It would be nice to see a guy like Russell step up, who is big and strong, and do something worth while in the center.
I can't agree with this.

Last season we matched it with the premiers, got closer & closer to the runners-up, all but beat the Eagles on their home turf, minus a number of best 22 players, smashed the Bombers, accounted for the Swans both in Sydney & Melbourne & beat St Kilda. The only team that monstered us last season was Hawthorn & some accurate kicking from Gibbs in the last quarter of that game may well have got us over the line.

We have the same players this season, who started the season off playing some very good football, but have fallen away in recent weeks. I don't think the problem in recent weeks is lack of a powerful core, I think a lot of it is mental. You only have to be 5% off your best & you come back to the field.

The Carlton team that beat Collingwood in Round 3, outpointed them physically, regardless of who the Magpies were missing. They showed some of that same physicality against Freo, which saw us open up a 5 goal lead in a low scoring, tight game.

The powerful core is there, it is just not coming to the fore. Was it Allan Jeans who said that the game is played 90% above the shoulders?
 

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Lots of players 195cm+ that haven't played a senior game this year though. Our 22 that runs out every week isn't that tall.
Ain't this the truth. When Kosi was matched up with Duigan last week which resulted in a goal it is hard to fathom what the MC are thinking.
 

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A big part of the problem is that whenever the club has tried to plug these holes recently, it has gone pear shaped.

McClean, Rowe, Mitchell, and you might event throw Johnson and Twomey in there. The club makes the call, but for one reason or another it hasnt worked out.

Still time for some of them to work, but for others the experiment has failed.

That hasn't made our list look any better, that's for sure.
Still don't understand why this bloke was cut, thought he showed a bit in his brief game-time, big body, quickish, better skills than Curnow, Joseph etc
 

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Game plan is out dated, pressing far to high and thus exposed on the burst.

Painfully obvious at the games, essendon exposed it, freo exposed it, saints magnified it.
 

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or our goddamn mids can go and get their own ball in packs. Nothing worse than seeing 5 navy blue jumpers standing around the outside of a pack and no one but Kreuzer or Robinson in the middle of things.
Our clearances aren't an issue. We are getting slaughtered on the counter attack.

Not sure crows have the speed to expose it so we should be okay this week.
 
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