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We won't get Moore, he's father son for Collingwood. I'm not a fan of McCartin, would prefer Peter Wright. And the thing is, Cameron has already proved that he's a gun, kicking 60-70 goals in his second season, AA... he could be anything, McCartin and Wright however are unproven and nobody knows if they'll be the next Roughead or not. GWS from what I've heard really want Petracca and will want pick 1 to ensure they get him and if you had the choice between Jeremy Cameron/Jono Patton and Paddy McCartin/Peter Wright, who would you rather?

And yeah still not sure about Freo's motive. Seems pointless but hopefully something comes of it, would be interesting.
I meant Wright. Sorry. If you have that attitude about Cameron vs McCartin/Wright, GWS probably do too. Freo will try something, but I doubt it will get us any further than we got when we tried to get Jaeger or Hogan. We are at the wrong end of the ladder at trade time at the moment.
 
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Wasn't Crozier a second round pick?

Considering he's had two, three years of development and seems a decent prospect at worst now, why would you trade him to go back three years and for no guaranteed benefit? I doubt Crozier would leave either to be honest. Middling at Richmond has nothing on keeping it up and playing for a top four Freo.
 

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Wasn't Crozier a second round pick?

Considering he's had two, three years of development and seems a decent prospect at worst now, why would you trade him to go back three years and for no guaranteed benefit? I doubt Crozier would leave either to be honest. Middling at Richmond has nothing on keeping it up and playing for a top four Freo.
Wasn't he compo for Palmer moving to GWS?
 

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Wasn't Crozier a second round pick?

Considering he's had two, three years of development and seems a decent prospect at worst now, why would you trade him to go back three years and for no guaranteed benefit? I doubt Crozier would leave either to be honest. Middling at Richmond has nothing on keeping it up and playing for a top four Freo.
Exactly my thoughts, we don't need a development KPF who'll take 3 years to develop to the level required.
 

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I meant Wright. Sorry. If you have that attitude about Cameron vs McCartin/Wright, GWS probably do too. Freo will try something, but I doubt it will get us any further than we got when we tried to get Jaeger or Hogan. We are at the wrong end of the ladder at trade time at the moment.
GWS won't use the number 1 pick on Wright/McCartin though (at least I wouldn't have thought... o_O, even if we do prise away Cameron from them, with tremendous luck, they still have Patton, Boyd, McCarthy, Tomlinson etc who can all play as a KPF, along with some other lesser known types), if they do make a trade with us for pick 1 then they'll be aiming to take Petracca.

And yeah for sure, I don't see what you guys would have to give away. If I were you guys I'd hope Reece McKenzie is around at pick 14-16 and take him as a big forward who could be a Hawkins type in the future.
 

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GWS won't use the number 1 pick on Wright/McCartin though (at least I wouldn't have thought... o_O, even if we do prise away Cameron from them, with tremendous luck, they still have Patton, Boyd, McCarthy, Tomlinson etc who can all play as a KPF, along with some other lesser known types), if they do make a trade with us for pick 1 then they'll be aiming to take Petracca.

And yeah for sure, I don't see what you guys would have to give away. If I were you guys I'd hope Reece McKenzie is around at pick 14-16 and take him as a big forward who could be a Hawkins type in the future.
GWS will probably have pick 2 so they can still get get a good midfielder if they want one. Cameron is like Fyfe, worth more than pick 1. They may consider giving you one of the others. I guess the only incentive for GWS to do anything would be to make sure you didn't take Petracca at pick 1 (assuming that's what they are after). It's hard to know who the Saints would take. You need to replace Nick and your midfield needs renewing as well.
 

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Exactly my thoughts, we don't need a development KPF who'll take 3 years to develop to the level required.
Barra said that Aaron Black was close to agreeing to come to Freo but was contracted, so he couldn't (not sure if true). He may be a better option down the track. Worth another crack later maybe?
 

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GWS will probably have pick 2 so they can still get get a good midfielder if they want one. Cameron is like Fyfe, worth more than pick 1. They may consider giving you one of the others. I guess the only incentive for GWS to do anything would be to make sure you didn't take Petracca at pick 1 (assuming that's what they are after). It's hard to know who the Saints would take. You need to replace Nick and your midfield needs renewing as well.
None of the other midfielders are at Petracca's level it seems, Brayshaw is clearly the second best, but clearly behind Petracca which is why GWS seem so keen on him.

And yeah for sure, Cameron is worth more then pick one, we'll have to include more in the deal to get him.
 

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None of the other midfielders are at Petracca's level it seems, Brayshaw is clearly the second best, but clearly behind Petracca which is why GWS seem so keen on him.

And yeah for sure, Cameron is worth more then pick one, we'll have to include more in the deal to get him.
Trade and draft times are going to be as interesting as ever. Freo have some big decisions to make as well. Good luck,
I'll look up the Reese McKenzie Guy.
 
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Guys rumors are we are chasing crozier just wondering if it is true what would his value be trade wise?
As mentioned he's contracted, so we'd have some bargaining power and would be looking for something that would give us a good chance to improve our list. I think as it stands a first round upgrade would interest us enough to let him go, your (currently) pick 8 for our pick 16 and Crozier, similar to when we traded you pick 13 (Jack Reiwoldt) and Polak for pick 8 (Ben Reid). Of course those picks can still move around a lot in the next few weeks.
 

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Surely McCarthy will end up wanting to come home after his rookie contract is up.
The fact that he was taken at pick 14 would make him more gettable for us. Trying to pry away a past number 1 draft pick would get real untidy.
Hard to know whether he would want to come back to Perth. People love living in Sydney.
 

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The fact that he was taken at pick 14 would make him more gettable for us. Trying to pry away a past number 1 draft pick would get real untidy.
Hard to know whether he would want to come back to Perth. People love living in Sydney.
Yep it would.

Pretty sure Freo were the last club to deal a number 1 pick and after not hearing the end of it since I doubt any club will EVER attempt to do it again.
 

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Seems the best mature ager to come out of last years draft was Ben Brown and he was only 21. Takes a good grab. Exactly what we needed.
He has been going okay, I still like the look of Griffiths and until he signs with Richmond I'll stubbornly push the case for him with us. haha
 

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IMHO if we are going to trade for a forward we want genuine quality with more than 1 or 2 years left in them. To do this we will have to pay better than even in mids. Forwards always come with a weighted value. So this means that we have to give a Barlow or a Mundy type to get Joe Daniher type on a straight swap. I don't even want to consider it.

On the flip side some have suggested trading Croz and players of his type. This will not get you a forward of genuine ability. GWS have been smart and are stock pilling KPP's as that will give them trade value going forward. But you have to spend that quick or people start to doubt the quality having not seen it for a few years. So IMHO they will be looking to trade forwards for other players over then next two years. But they will push hard for quality.

I do not think that there is a lot that we can spare quality wise that will get us a forward. I return to my long stated opinion that we need to continue to rely on our recruit department and trade surplus flankers/mids for upgraded picks in the draft. If we push to get our first round pick into the 8-12 range we will be able to continue to take either very good mids/flankers or second tier talls.

So who would I be putting up? Of the young brigade we will only get something for those who have played more than a game or two at AFL level. So Crozier, Sherro, Tabs or Mora. Of those only the first two will have trade value and I wouldn't trade the first. So Sherro is a possibility for mine.
Of the next generation I would think that Ibbo, C Pearce, deBoer, Suban, Clarke, Griff, Hannath and Mayne. I would not expect to trade Mayne but any of the others are suitable as far as I am concerned. Whilst the first four of that list all attract their various supporters none of them are standout and loosing one will not be hugely noticed as the other three are more than capable of filling their roles. For pure trade value I would think that Ibbo or deBoer would be worth more and I would be content to trade either. For Clarke, Griff and Hannath I really question the need for 5 ruck's on our list. One IMHO should go. Yes there is comment about what if Sandi is down injured. Even if we traded one away we could have two step in. Aside from that both Tab's and Apeness can pinch hit in that role. One needs to go.
 
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