List Mgmt. List Management 2014 - Contracts, Retirements, Delistings, Trade Bait (Updated in OP)

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Could we trade Sylvia out to a club like a lowly Melbourne club or gws?
Like for the Sylvia idea.

I would be happy with a last round pick as long as he freed up a space on our list and they covered his salary. Didn't cost us anything and clearly is not the right fit with RTB. Would rather keep our younger guys, who we have put 3-5 years into.

Sylvia - trade
Gumby - retire
Mcpharlin - retire
Keplar - rookie
Simpson - rookie

4 picks + FA or 3 picks + upgrade +FA
 

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At first I thought Pfft Waite.. Although now I can't help but ignore his form. He could be the difference between getting a premiership or not, is he worth the risk? With that said I have a lot of faith in Apeness and Taberner.
 

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At first I thought Pfft Waite.. Although now I can't help but ignore his form. He could be the difference between getting a premiership or not, is he worth the risk? With that said I have a lot of faith in Apeness and Taberner.
Last i heard he was about to be offered a new contract by Carlton
 
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He is worth the risk at 350 a year. I say get him for 2.

Tabener and Ape can still develop when/if pav is injured/rested.

I don't think he is a lock to re-sign with Carlton
 

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Serious question.

Would we rather play Fyfe as a permanent forward and look for another midfielder, perhaps a young one like Coniglio?

Or attempt to get a so-so forward like a Black or Casboult?

Sometimes the answer is starring at us in the face and although it probably doesn't have any weight I'd consider Fyfe as a second to Pav with our small forwards around their feet. We do have some midfield depth, but would it be worth it?

Possibly a better scenario then getting a bloke from another club who has under performed and hope they come good.

Fyfe playing 80% in forward line would rarely be beaten, is decent on the lead or simply judging the high ball in. Vice like grip. Could easily kick 60 if left there. Will kick over 20 this season just from pushing forward every now and then.

Thoughts?
 
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My view is that Fyfe is almost wasted as a midfielder. He would make more difference for us kicking 60 at CHF with the occasional run through the midfield (a la Hird). We should look to recruit another high quality mid or else move Walters into the midfield next season and rely on Ballas, Duffy and Crozier to fill the small forward roles.
 

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Serious question.

Would we rather play Fyfe as a permanent forward and look for another midfielder, perhaps a young one like Coniglio?

Or attempt to get a so-so forward like a Black or Casboult?

Sometimes the answer is starring at us in the face and although it probably doesn't have any weight I'd consider Fyfe as a second to Pav with our small forwards around their feet. We do have some midfield depth, but would it be worth it?

Possibly a better scenario then getting a bloke from another club who has under performed and hope they come good.

Fyfe playing 80% in forward line would rarely be beaten, is decent on the lead or simply judging the high ball in. Vice like grip. Could easily kick 60 if left there. Will kick over 20 this season just from pushing forward every now and then.

Thoughts?
Recruiting Sylvia was supposed to enable Fyfe to play forward more, but Sylvia's hasn't come on as of yet.
 

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He is worth the risk at 350 a year. I say get him for 2.

Tabener and Ape can still develop when/if pav is injured/rested.

I don't think he is a lock to re-sign with Carlton
Waite is not worth the risk. Have we not learnt anything from our past mistakes?

He was getting left out of Carlton... CARLTON! Yes he has had a couple of good games in a row, but give him a contract and I'd bet my left nut he would come over and finish his career as a holiday.

Develop young players and only trade for players who have the potential to play 100+ games for the club i.e. 25 year olds. Think Freo have a model and I'd be amazed if Waite fits into ours. I'd also be amazed if Sylvia and Gumbo fit, but when you're runner up that was a reasonable risk. Take that risk again and you have 4-5 players 30 years above traded in over the last 2 years, clogging cap space, not playing and retiring soon anyway.

In summary NO.
 

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Serious question.

Would we rather play Fyfe as a permanent forward and look for another midfielder, perhaps a young one like Coniglio?

Or attempt to get a so-so forward like a Black or Casboult?

Sometimes the answer is starring at us in the face and although it probably doesn't have any weight I'd consider Fyfe as a second to Pav with our small forwards around their feet. We do have some midfield depth, but would it be worth it?

Possibly a better scenario then getting a bloke from another club who has under performed and hope they come good.

Fyfe playing 80% in forward line would rarely be beaten, is decent on the lead or simply judging the high ball in. Vice like grip. Could easily kick 60 if left there. Will kick over 20 this season just from pushing forward every now and then.

Thoughts?
I actually think we should've played Mcpharlin forward this year. Silvagni is too good a player to have playing for Peel and playing as a forward could've eased the load on Macca. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Maybe next year if Ballard or another player comes on we can play Fyfe more forward.
 

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My view is that Fyfe is almost wasted as a midfielder. He would make more difference for us kicking 60 at CHF with the occasional run through the midfield (a la Hird). We should look to recruit another high quality mid or else move Walters into the midfield next season and rely on Ballas, Duffy and Crozier to fill the small forward roles.
Don't move Walters to midfield. Don't move Ballas to midfield. I really can't understand this thinking.

Let the cobblers do the cobbling!

Let the small forwards play as small forwards.
 

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I actually think we should've played Mcpharlin forward this year. Silvagni is too good a player to have playing for Peel and playing as a forward could've eased the load on Macca. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

Maybe next year if Ballard or another player comes on we can play Fyfe more forward.
Yep another example of the answer starring us in the face. That said he has been trialed there and it never really worked for us. Same with Johnson playing forward.
 

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He is worth the risk at 350 a year. I say get him for 2.

Tabener and Ape can still develop when/if pav is injured/rested.

I don't think he is a lock to re-sign with Carlton
Agree. but Rosich seemed shocked when someone asked him about the chances of Waite coming to Freo. He said I'm pretty sure that won't be happening.(or something along those lines). But who knows, things do change.
 

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Yep another example of the answer starring us in the face. That said he has been trialed there and it never really worked for us. Same with Johnson playing forward.
Actually McPharlin was very good when he played there, especially in 2005 where he averaged close to 3 goals a game when he played forward.
 

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Actually McPharlin was very good when he played there, especially in 2005 where he averaged close to 3 goals a game when he played forward.
34 goals 12 behinds from 16 games as a forward is pretty good. Not close to 3 goals a game, but anyway. This was in a different era for forwards.

2009 he played predominantly as a forward 20 goals 18 behinds from 19 games as a forward. That was when the decision was made to move him back to defense. The year before 21 goals 14 behinds from 18 games as a forward.

So from those 3 years 75 goals 48 behinds from 53 games isn't very good. Not when you're in your prime.

I just prefer to include stats when I reply, rather then just saying he was excellent and averaged close to 3 goals a game. That's just a lie.

I think most would say he didn't command being a forward and although in hindsight I agreed with a post about trying him as a forward again, his position was in no doubt as a Key Defender.
 
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Don't move Walters to midfield. Don't move Ballas to midfield. I really can't understand this thinking.

Let the cobblers do the cobbling!

Let the small forwards play as small forwards.
Walters has spent effectively one year as a small forward. His skills are elite and way beyond other specialist small forwards, including Ballantyne. The only comparison at the moment is Rioli, who doesn't have the tank to play in the midfield. Worst thing you can do with talented young footballers is to pigeonhole them.
 

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Walters has spent effectively one year as a small forward. His skills are elite and way beyond other specialist small forwards, including Ballantyne. The only comparison at the moment is Rioli, who doesn't have the tank to play in the midfield. Worst thing you can do with talented young footballers is to pigeonhole them.
Yes an no.

I get what you're saying, but it is frustrating when you get someone like Walters who collects the ball on the wing turns and kicks into a forward line that has no crumbers.
 

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I agree with Fyfe going forward.Incredibly hard to find a reasonable CHF let alone a champion and we have one under our nose
Much easier to find a halfway decent mid and we have a hard at it big bodied mid coming along very nicely in the magoos in Ballard
Cobbler is spot on with his thoughts on Fyfe
 

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Think with Fyfe it depends how they rate Ballard or Morabito coming on ...
it must be noted that he's clearly the best clearance player at the club (CBF getting stats) but his ability to stand in a tackle and get a handball out is insane!
Definately worth spending more time forward but the ratio of time forward vs midfield is something that should be looked at closely. Id be looking at 75% Forward, keep having a look for more mids and more kpf's.
If we land a KPF he can play mid, we land more great mids he can play more forward than that.
If Apeness and Tabener come along in the next 2-3 years I'd expect him to be back in the midifeld mostly though.
 

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It is a tough one.

Obviously would be a gun in either position but I honestly think it would be easier to find others to fill the gap in the middle then it would be to fill the gap in the forward line.

Seeing as our midfield and midfield depth is an area of strength, it becomes a risk v reward thing. We risk weakening our midfield but we strengthen our forward line.

If there is a knock on Fyfe it is that he does often see ball, get ball, kick ball. Nothing wrong with that in terms of clearances but would be why his DE is low and some consider him a poor kick, that and we don't have the forwards to compete for his clearances.

Others could see ball, get ball and kick ball to Fyfe.

Lastly on many threads I have read about people trading from our area of strength to fill a hole in our area of weakness. Me included!

When talk of Sheridan, Crozier, DeBoer, Clancee to name a few are being spoken of as trade bait I do shake my head as these players can play.

Moving Fyfe forward allows another to step up and fill that void and we don't need to trade them for an unknown lanky forward just because 'structures' tell us we should.

Anyway I'm sure the club are juggling this idea and understand that was the intention of getting Sylvia, but I was never sold on Sylvia being a midfield big bodied player.

Morabito on the other hand...
 

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My view is that Fyfe is almost wasted as a midfielder. He would make more difference for us kicking 60 at CHF with the occasional run through the midfield (a la Hird). We should look to recruit another high quality mid or else move Walters into the midfield next season and rely on Ballas, Duffy and Crozier to fill the small forward roles.
A full pre season into both Mora and Sylvia and we may be able to move Fyfe forward.
 
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