List Mgmt. List Management 2022

[Arr0w]

We don't lack small or medium defenders, hard no on Wilson

 

[Schoonerman]

I’ll bet my left one Newman won’t be going anywhere….
Also NO to Wilson..

 

[Jimmae]

So many posts interwoven in the discussion that are hidden for me, so I'm drawn to comment in order to appropriately engage the overall discussion thread.

Yeah, will just add him to the list of players you don't rate, while the club does

And the players, Willo, Dow, Fog, that you did rate and stated countless times they were better options than players that are/were in the best 22

I rate Boyd, but I understand that line-breaking speed is a weakness of his, alongside aerial ability. Keeps his feet in a contest though, so that means shorter time to recover to the next sprint/contest.

Williamson clearly was rated, but clearly got mishandled, as did/does Dow. Both remain a good chance to turn things around, it's just that Williamson won't be doing it at this club. We're talking about a largely unchallenged sporting league here with a club that has clearly been high on its own supply for three decades, not a decent environment for professional development. There's plenty of evidence of that, and there's still more to be done to improve that.

I wanted Fogarty a year earlier than we got him, and I wanted him played as a midfielder who rests forward, which never happened. The game evolved a bit, but he was never really developed here the way he should have been. Hilarious that when we needed speed in corridor transition, we ignored a guy who had brought that in spades his entire junior and senior career.

His defensive pressure was also excellent when playing forward, and I would have preferred him over Owies through the second half of the year.

You forgot the continuous "bullish on SPS".

Still it can't be easy considering yourself a better tactician than Voss, a better recruiter Than Austin, and a better conditioning coach than Russell (particularly knowledge of running gaits).

If you look back through my posting history across here and another website, you'll find I wanted Scrimshaw, Setterfield, Ainsworth, and McCluggage in the 2016 Draft, and was also keen on us trading down (or trading up) to get Simpkin. I expressed concerns about SPS' ability to be a balanced mid at the next level, and I expressed concerns about the state of his hamstrings. SPS pre-hamstring injuries was looking like a generational winger.

We made a bet that no one else was willing to make, and it backfired spectacularly. What you're recalling is me discussing this as we looked to trade him. I was bullish on him in terms of his potential output if his hamstrings could be genuinely fixed, and clearly the medical advice was no.

Was also keen on Bolton, Hayward, Drew, Atley, Williams and Rotham for our second pick. Not all winners I grant you, but I was also far less bullish on Will Brodie, Venables, McGrath, Taranto, Perryman, Fisher and Powell-Pepper than others at the time, and that's largely been vindicated.

Brodie was a limited but powerful inside mid, and you can see in the right environment and hard work on his weaknesses, he has flourished. I think the same basic principles can be applied to Dow, though perhaps not at a football club that had failed at development for so long that stench fills Dow's nose still. That new development setup is also a work in progress, not that any team should stop seeking to innovate.

 

[reubsblues]

We don't lack small or medium defenders, hard no on Wilson

So why do small forwards kick all the goals against us

 

[Arr0w]

So why do small forwards kick all the goals against us

Small forwards kick goals against all teams, but it's not like we have had Boyd and Williams for much of the season

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah right, Dow, Williamson, Fog mishandled, yet LOB, Fisher and Cotts improved on last year and Mots finds himself in the side over the mishandled 3

 

[Jimmae]

I’ll bet my left one Newman won’t be going anywhere….
Also NO to Wilson..

Fantastic reasoning and analysis, definitely no hint of commentary for the sake of like farming. Thanks for posting!

And you're definitely the only one in this thread doing that... yup...

 

[Jimmae]

Shades of our abortive draft campaigns to solve our ruck problems and our KPP problems under rogers and hughes. We desperately needed mids and so we went for mids - even though they werent the best players. But I, guess it beats drafting HBF's continuously

Sorry, missed this yesterday: this is total bullshit... both selections were surrounded with midfield picks. We may have reached for those particular players - to which I agree - but it wasn't a reach to pick a midfielder.

In fact in both drafts, it would have been an insane reach to pick a tall, or ruck, or even medium defenders or forwards.

 

[Coona Blues]

We don't lack small or medium defenders, hard no on Wilson

This absolutely.

Saad and Williams have long term contracts. Doc not going anywhere. Newman is contracted and dramatically under rated by many. McGovern, Marchbank and Kemp are third tall/hybrids firmly in the mix. Plowman remains contracted for another year, love or hate him. Boyd and Stocker round out that core group.

No vacancy until we see fit to draft the next generation of small/medium types. Mature acquisitions an absolute no, no.

I understand the attraction of “silly season” with some thinking we came up short at the business end of the season, but we do not have the scope to add high ticket items to our playing list. Rumoured Acres at $350k is our limit. The other rumoured McAsey and Sholl would be minimal take over type contracts should they have a mutual parting of the ways.

I understand it will be “boring” without the endless hypotheticals, but ut is the state of the nation, so to speak. Posters need patience our list is young and still developing more than most realise. With Newnes and probably Ed coming off the list, our age averages are not going up much, if at all in the coming season. I am sure the club is looking at 2024/25 as our optimal time.

 

[morningbrown]

Nathan Wilson

14

Nathan Wilson

Age

33

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

456.0

5star

D

10.7

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

271.8

4star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.4

4star

? Jesus christ what are we doing here. Washed footballer.

 

[Jimmae]

Completely understand everyone's basic reasoning, but still feel the current conversations around many players - both negative and positive - remains a bit delusional.

I called the issues with our list, with our 22, with our gameplan from very early in the season, and it never abated. We need a lot of work at every level of the football department to become a genuine contender.

Teams of the calibre we hope to beat can currently pick us apart even when we're putting in season high levels of pressure on them. Imagine thinking we'd win finals in the same scenarios, when they won't sit around and wait for us to make mistakes as much because they don't have to pace their way through the season.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Best 22 players get traded all the time. What's your point?

Not unless they want out. Do you have some info we don’t?

 

[mjonc43]

No way Clarkson takes Dow

Can’t kick, you don’t play in a Clarkson team.


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[Gointocarlton]

Can’t kick, you don’t play in a Clarkson team.


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If Clarkson gets his mate Rath from StK (the kicking coach), he could turn Dow around.

 

[Schoonerman]

Fantastic reasoning and analysis, definitely no hint of commentary for the sake of like farming. Thanks for posting!

And you're definitely the only one in this thread doing that... yup...

Like farming?? Yeah nah not for me
Just don’t agree with most of the rubbish you put up and for mostly just to cause arguments
You’re like Dermie, over analyse everything to the extreme to try and sound intelligent..

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Can’t kick, you don’t play in a Clarkson team.


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Jy Simpkin in trouble then....

 

[BlackGoanna]

Completely understand everyone's basic reasoning, but still feel the current conversations around many players - both negative and positive - remains a bit delusional.

I called the issues with our list, with our 22, with our gameplan from very early in the season, and it never abated. We need a lot of work at every level of the football department to become a genuine contender.

Teams of the calibre we hope to beat can currently pick us apart even when we're putting in season high levels of pressure on them. Imagine thinking we'd win finals in the same scenarios, when they won't sit around and wait for us to make mistakes as much because they don't have to pace their way through the season.

All I recall you doing is asking 6 players be dropped each week


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[bigblueboy]

Is Acres looking likely? And what’s the situation with Stocker?

Acres 50/50 at best. Freo have a fair bit of juggling to do with Lobb/Jackson.
Stocker is uncontracted - hopefully just waiting for VFL season to end to sort it out.

 

[SurreyBlue]

You’d think Stocker will get done. We simple still can’t be that stupid. Surely not.

 

[Jimmae]

Can’t kick, you don’t play in a Clarkson team.


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If Clarkson gets his mate Rath from StK (the kicking coach), he could turn Dow around.

His kicking is good enough now, I'd be working on understanding why he's weighting his handballs less accurately, and how he can learn to do more in terms of gauging when to go 100% effort, versus say 70-90%.

Would likely open him up to be able to spend time further outside the stoppage contest, and being able to rest forward.

Like farming?? Yeah nah not for me
Just don’t agree with most of the rubbish you put up and for mostly just to cause arguments
You’re like Dermie, over analyse everything to the extreme to try and sound intelligent..

Fair enough on the first point, the second point is just me highlighting that like any education path today, there's still a lot that can be done to enhance that for everyone. We can always learn to communicate ideas and concepts better and faster.

 

[macky99]

So many posts interwoven in the discussion that are hidden for me, so I'm drawn to comment in order to appropriately engage the overall discussion thread.


I rate Boyd, but I understand that line-breaking speed is a weakness of his, alongside aerial ability. Keeps his feet in a contest though, so that means shorter time to recover to the next sprint/contest.

Williamson clearly was rated, but clearly got mishandled, as did/does Dow. Both remain a good chance to turn things around, it's just that Williamson won't be doing it at this club. We're talking about a largely unchallenged sporting league here with a club that has clearly been high on its own supply for three decades, not a decent environment for professional development. There's plenty of evidence of that, and there's still more to be done to improve that.

I wanted Fogarty a year earlier than we got him, and I wanted him played as a midfielder who rests forward, which never happened. The game evolved a bit, but he was never really developed here the way he should have been. Hilarious that when we needed speed in corridor transition, we ignored a guy who had brought that in spades his entire junior and senior career.

His defensive pressure was also excellent when playing forward, and I would have preferred him over Owies through the second half of the year.


If you look back through my posting history across here and another website, you'll find I wanted Scrimshaw, Setterfield, Ainsworth, and McCluggage in the 2016 Draft, and was also keen on us trading down (or trading up) to get Simpkin. I expressed concerns about SPS' ability to be a balanced mid at the next level, and I expressed concerns about the state of his hamstrings. SPS pre-hamstring injuries was looking like a generational winger.

We made a bet that no one else was willing to make, and it backfired spectacularly. What you're recalling is me discussing this as we looked to trade him. I was bullish on him in terms of his potential output if his hamstrings could be genuinely fixed, and clearly the medical advice was no.

Was also keen on Bolton, Hayward, Drew, Atley, Williams and Rotham for our second pick. Not all winners I grant you, but I was also far less bullish on Will Brodie, Venables, McGrath, Taranto, Perryman, Fisher and Powell-Pepper than others at the time, and that's largely been vindicated.

Brodie was a limited but powerful inside mid, and you can see in the right environment and hard work on his weaknesses, he has flourished. I think the same basic principles can be applied to Dow, though perhaps not at a football club that had failed at development for so long that stench fills Dow's nose still. That new development setup is also a work in progress, not that any team should stop seeking to innovate.

Fogarty is not quick and has failed to cement a spot at two clubs, l don't see any mismanagement with him.

A good reserves players who lacks in a number of areas at the top level.

 

[katmanblue]

This. We won’t get anywhere near the draft equity we paid for Dow in a trade. Plowman was also a pick 3, but no one would expect a first rounder for him in a trade.

I would. Not enough love...

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Stocker needs to lose about 4kgs of puppy fat. He'd move far far better and his agility isn't fantastic as it is. Would do him a lot of good if Voss is keen to keep him around. Petracca used to be the same, built like an ox but he's a hell of a lot more nimble now and has more to his game than just out muscling players.

 

[katmanblue]

I’ll bet my left one Newman won’t be going anywhere….
Also NO to Wilson..

If you get 2:1 on that, what are you gonna do with three left nuts?

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[Coona Blues]

Fogarty is not quick and has failed to cement a spot at two clubs, l don't see any mismanagement with him.

A good reserves players who lacks in a number of areas at the top level.

Yep, loved Fogarty at the draft. His underage games were exceptional. Wasn’t the star, but sort of the fabric that bound. Work rate, tackling, connection work in close, did the hard yards for his team. Pretty much didn’t grow post under 18’s. All the traits are there, star at the lower level, but the old “can’t kick over a jam jar” was written for Fog, limiting his forward creds. Pretty much midfield or bust for Fog and he doesn’t have the physical attributes to mix it at the top level consistently.