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To leave Richmond I imagine a first rounder and $800k
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Though, thought the premiership wasn’t the most important vs finding a matching home/right fit (wasn’t listening in too late intently).
Had offers before but had too much going on personally to consider any change/s.
- Aug 16, 2015
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Why do we have to play Pitto? If TDKs role in the side was ruck/forward any new ruckman would only be competing with Pitto for a spot in the side, provided they were all fit.
A player like Goldy for example or a Steph Martin type this year would have been great, they compete for the number 1 ruck spot, they work in tandem with TDK, when one of the main rucks is injured the other picks up the slack, in the event of Harry or Charlie getting injured, you can play TDK as a key forward and maintain two good marking options.
I don’t understand the thought process of people who say you can’t recruit a Goldy type as how would Pitto or Mirkov feel, they would feel the same way the midfield group felt when we recruited Cerra and Hewett, as the team gets stronger competition for spots will get tougher.
Id love another capable ruck, two on the list was a mistake and I think TDK shouldn’t be the main ruck as he could be a solid forward option.
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For me it’s more about what happens if TDK gets injured. In another 12 months TDK should be mature enough to be a number one ruck.
In saying that any forward ruck we get will probably be at a level where they just stuff our forward structure if played with Harry, JSOS and Charlie
- Apr 4, 2018
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I guess it comes down to how much the club wants to spend on rucks. Playing Pitto in the vfl for another 2 years and then tdk and Mirkov probably take over. In this case Pitto plays vfl and is cover for injuries.
Note this post was offered BEFORE TDK faced down the league’s testing material in Darcy yesterday
Reckon we’ve got it right with Pittonet TDK and Mirkov as our rucks.
A KPF who can take a turn in the ruck via the draft would be nice going forward …
The ideal stop gap is someone good enough to come in when needed but not too good to be upset biding time in VFL.
Someone from state leagues is perhaps a better fit than a Goldstein type.
- Apr 4, 2018
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This is the set up I see working.
So basically we have a total of 4 ruck/forward options.
One pair play seniors
Other pair plays vfl and are cover for injuries where possible.
Note this post was offered BEFORE TDK faced down the league’s testing material in Darcy yesterday
Reckon we’ve got it right with Pittonet TDK and Mirkov as our rucks.
A KPF who can take a turn in the ruck via the draft would be nice going forward …
Someone like Casboult
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We always needed a younger, more mobile version. At any rate, he got in the way of our other forwards, at least under Teague.Someone like Casboult
- Sep 19, 2019
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I don’t think so, messes with the system that is working. Charlie, Harry and Tom provide good pressure for their size but, not the sort of elite pressure we have exhibited this year. Jack S as third tall and chop out works and the Mosquito fleet is doing just fine.
Tom is lion hearted at number 1 ruck and will continue to grow into the role and become even more versatile. I dont particularly want another ruck to languish in the 2s. Jeremias said earlier, and ruck addition needs to be multi positional and those players are with too old, too young or too costly.
We are seriously vertically challenged right now and still managing/excelling. Apparently Freo talks would dominate in the ruck and forward…
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And who wants to do that other than Preust!
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Has anyone actually said we don't need another ruck? Most are in agreement that we need additional ruck support, but we need to be mindful of the type of ruck we add to the list.
On the one hand you want Mirkov to develop and yet on the other you want another ruck who can only play in the ruck. Can you really not see that they do not go hand in hand?
Pitto/TDK mainstays in the ruck, Mirkov developing (12-18 months away). If we get our talls back, someone like a Durdin could chop out anywhere down the spine.
So, I would draft a ruckman, who is a threat while resting forward. That player and Mirkov could still develop their game at VFL level. Draft another KPP, predominant defender and another KPF that can chopout in the ruck
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So, I would draft a ruckman, who is a threat while resting forward. That player and Mirkov could still develop their game at VFL level. Draft another KPP, predominant defender and another KPF that can chopout in the ruck
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Our team dynamic does not lend itself to sunset level stopgaps for mine. We have a dynamic young group growing together. If the club saw fit to trade someone in for coverage in emergency it should be a player on the verge of best 22 at their current club with some quality cameos behind them. I would look more at Adelaide young journeyman Billy Frampton who started as a forward/ruck at Port and has played some decent games as a key defender at the Crows. Joel Amartey at the Swans is a capable forward/ruck who is behind McLean of a similar age, veteran Reid, young gun Logan McDonald and Buddy, with Ladhams a big chance of sharing ruck duties and playing forward, behind Hickey.
My first choice remains grabbing a forward/ruck in the draft to develop. Does not have to be a high profile type. I already have an eye on Phoenix Foster from SA who would be a late pick, a little undersized as a ruck, but more than adequate rucking against Allies in the first game of the “carnival”. I am sure there are others out there (would take Keeler if he slides to our first) With Harry, Charlie, JSOS and TDK likely staples in our forward line for the foreseeable future, we don’t need to draft a future Coleman medallist for maybe another four years.
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Kreuzberg? Wtf? He is already coaching, at our club! Phillips is about the only relevant mention there. There is no way Nic Nat because a back up ruck next year. He is still elite!
I would question how many teams have 4 AFL standard ruckman on their list, Melbourne was a good example Gawn goes down and they see Weideman as that forward/ruck option as better than a pure ruckman.
Highly doubtful you are going to attract a experienced ruckman to be a third/four string option, Carlton had that option in the mid-season draft and elected not to go down that path, more likely they will draft a young ruckman to develop or a key forward/ruck not in the back end of their career as that does not seem the list management strategy.
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The way I see it is that we need a player in the McDonald mould who is a lot more resilient. If OMac can get back to good health, and be genuinely available throughout next year, ok. Personally, I see him as very replaceable... Need a resilient backup KPD...
regardless of the outcomes of this season, though a finals win should be the goal. we do had a solid and youthful list. We have solid core of key players, as well as players that can slot into different positions and roles where required.
So saying that i think we have a good 3-4 year window to have a great crack at a flag.
So saying that i think we have a good 3-4 year window to have a great crack at a flag.
- Aug 22, 2014
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Or our 4th ruck could be a versatile ruck/forward/defensive playing coach like Goldstein, and Mirkov could mix ruck minutes with getting some experience and development in the back and forward lines as well, so that if/when he gets a senior gig he's not a completely one-dimensional player?
That's a lot of assumptions
- Aug 22, 2014
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What assumptions?
Goldy has the ability to play a role down back or up forward - especially at reserves level.
He's incredibly experienced, and has been one of the top few ruckman in the competition for a very long time.
As such, he could easily be paired with Mirkov at reserves level, offering in-game coaching and support, allowing Mirkov to shoulder as much of the ruck load as we like, while also giving him a spell so that Mirkov can spend some time forward or back working on important skills that will make him a more versatile prospect should he ever play seniors.
It's hardly a leap.
That he's a good coach, to the point where we'd sack Kreuzer.
That he's happy to play 2's, predominantly as a forward and be a back up.
- Aug 22, 2014
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a) Didn't suggest sacking Kreuzer. No reason they couldn't co-exist with one of them having playing duties as well. (EDIT: Though if the club secured Goldy and felt that he offered as much as Kreuzer in that space, I wouldn't be totally against recommending that he diversify his experience elsewhere).
b) Of course....but that holds true for literally any ruckman we look at. It's also not necessarily "predominantly as a forward" - I'd actually suggest that a 50/50 split of the ruck minutes would be beneficial. Mirkov's ruck craft is coming along pretty well, and will continue to do so, but he needs to learn how to function as a forward rotation and/or dropping back into defense. A short-termer like Goldstein is perfect for that, because we could use 2023 for Mirkov's development in those areas, and then ramp up his ruck time again from 2024.
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