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[4flagsin5yrs]

I agree. We should have beaten Collingwood two weeks ago missing two of our best midfielders and others underdone.
It’s a game of inches at the top - just need everything to gel and we can contend.

missing three of our....

 

[morningbrown]

People forget that the Pies were on their knees before Eddie became president transformed them and put good football people into key positions.

The same is happening with us at long last.

Sayers gets in as president and before his first (partial) year as president is over he's gotten Brian Cook from Geelong and one of the most respected assistant coaches in recent years (Voss) in as coach and is doing his best to give them the support staff that they require.

With good football people in fortunes change.

The club is finally in capable hands. Young hands that have the vigor to endure.

Brian Cook is 66, but I get what you mean elsewhere.

All the TDK isn’t up to it crap is starting to wear thin really.

Have a look at the last 4 teams.
GEE - Stanley
BRI - McInerney
COL - Cox
SYD - Hickey
Hardly scary or dominating.

Rucks are starting to become prehistoric. Where is Gawn, Grundy, Natanu? Hell RIC basically won a Premiership with Mitch Grigg. The actual reason we started to use JSOS.

If TDK can run around and make each contest and then also become a target I’m happy. He also can run down the occasional opponent, quite athletic for a big man. I’m good. He’s a bit of a unicorn.

FRE is said to be wanting to turn Jackson into a Kouta type if they get him, that’s TDK. Pittonet the Titanic is not that. I’ll keep TDK thanks and I think he’s Best 22.

First off, it was Shaun Grigg. Mitch Grigg is a SANFL player.

Secondly, those ruckmen aren't world beaters but they have tremendous endurance and provide a proper outlet marking option or hit the scoreboard. Pitto and TDK aren't giving us that on the regular.

 

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Why do Carlton folk think Acres is the ANSWER when he’s been squeezed out of two clubs that haven’t been world beaters ?


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[FRUMPY]

Why do Carlton folk think Acres is the ANSWER when he’s been squeezed out of two clubs that haven’t been world beaters ?


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depends what the QUESTION is.....club sees him as making us better, how much, who knows. Wing is a weakness atm for our club and Cottrell and LOB, while better in 2022 still have serious question marks on them.

any player linked to Carlton becomes a 10 times better player on these threads - just have to look at McAsey or Scholl when we were apparently into them.....now we arent they are back to being no good, makes me laugh

 

[Juice030103]

Why do Carlton folk think Acres is the ANSWER when he’s been squeezed out of two clubs that haven’t been world beaters ?


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The answer? Bit dramatic. He’s an upgrade on the wings we have. Was their best player in the semi and had a great finals series. Got traded as part of the hill deal which would indicate he’s not a dud as they valued him in the trade.

Not the answer but improves the best 22

 

[morningbrown]

Why do Carlton folk think Acres is the ANSWER when he’s been squeezed out of two clubs that haven’t been world beaters ?


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Freo is a situation of them severely under-offering money wise, he is 100% best 22 at that club.

Saints he was young and they were desperate to get Brad Hill, similar to the Dayne Beams/Jack Crisp situation.

 

[Michael Jezz]

New set of data, same analysis

Sacred, yeah, but not immune to analysis.

How anyone would know the mental capabilities of a player, group, organisation from high in the stands, is truly bewildering

You need a broader library Michael

You are once again blindly supporting your perspective with broad brush statements like "how does a supporter know the mental state of a player" which is a diversion from the obvious, evidence

A) Chocking in close games
B) Owies missed 15m kick (melbourne)
C) obrien hitting the ball into open space(melbourne)
D) Curnow myriad of laconic errors (collingwood)

The pressure errors are largely mental: eg awarewness, intensity, not understanding mental clarity has to rise in crunch games and shear desire. So when i watch curnow miss kick out of the air or around the body from 30nin a crunch game, I take that of evidence as a lack of, for instance mental focus.

 

[Arr0w]

You are once again blindly supporting your perspective with broad brush statements like "how does a supporter know the mental state of a player" which is a diversion from the obvious, evidence

A) Chocking in close games
B) Owies missed 15m kick (melbourne)
C) obrien hitting the ball into open space(melbourne)
D) Curnow myriad of laconic errors (collingwood)

The pressure errors are largely mental: eg awarewness, intensity, not understanding mental clarity has to rise in crunch games and shear desire. So when i watch curnow miss kick out of the air or around the body from 30nin a crunch game, I take that of evidence as a lack of, for instance mental focus.

A. We also won close games, how does that happen when supposedly the side is mentally weak

B. Wasn't the reason we lost, one act in 120 minutes. Execution error, how do you determine mindset

C. Another cherry pick, over the course of a game. And how do you determine that is mental weakness

D. A laconic nature that had him kicking more goals than anyone in the competition. What was Curnows mindset, while you were sitting in the stands

Tell me which 8 sides make the 8 next year (mentally strong) and which 10 sides will be mentally weak

 

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was being squeezed out of the Swans and many were complaining about his acquisition. Acres for average money is an absolute steal. He's showed a consistent level of high quality performance in a finals team - He isn't even dislodging LOB or Cotts from the side, those two played very often with Newnes and Setterfield on a wing in the same side.

 

[JyeDye]

Why do Carlton folk think Acres is the ANSWER when he’s been squeezed out of two clubs that haven’t been world beaters ?


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Was arguably the best winger in the comp at the halfway point of the season before an injury. I know disposals aren't everything but comparing him to Cottrell or O'Brien he gathers a lot more of the footy.

Games of 20+ Disposals:
O'Brien: 4
Cottrell: 2
Acres: 13

That's significantly more output.

 

[bmaurizio]

missing three of our....

Precisely the difference in the Pies game was the Elliot goal, that’s it.
Injuries decimated out team at crucial times throughout the season its just unlucky timing as all teams get them.
We desperately need support for Pitto in the Ruck, as TDK ain’t the solution at this point in time.
Other than that competent list management is critical.
We should be bolder and more effective next year.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Was arguably the best winger in the comp at the halfway point of the season before an injury. I know disposals aren't everything but comparing him to Cottrell or O'Brien he gathers a lot more of the footy.

Games of 20+ Disposals:
O'Brien: 4
Cottrell: 2
Acres: 13

That's significantly more output.

Yeah, exactly - he's not the messiah and I don't think he's in our top ten (Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, McKay, Saad, Weitering, Docherty, Hewett, Cerra, Kennedy) but he fits in the same level of class as clear best 18 players, such as Williams, Newman, McGovern etc.

Great pickup for not much and given his height and size he should make us more dangerous on the transition.

 

[DangerousD]

With that logic SOS could claim every player he ever recruited was awesome and the issue was development.

Might explain why he focused so heavily on recruiting guys who were former 1st round picks, or re recruiting guys he previously drafted who hadn’t come on and hoping they came good.

 

[JyeDye]

You are once again blindly supporting your perspective with broad brush statements like "how does a supporter know the mental state of a player" which is a diversion from the obvious, evidence

A) Chocking in close games
B) Owies missed 15m kick (melbourne)
C) obrien hitting the ball into open space(melbourne)
D) Curnow myriad of laconic errors (collingwood)

The pressure errors are largely mental: eg awarewness, intensity, not understanding mental clarity has to rise in crunch games and shear desire. So when i watch curnow miss kick out of the air or around the body from 30nin a crunch game, I take that of evidence as a lack of, for instance mental focus.

You gotta change your BigFooty location... playing with fire there.

 

[DangerousD]

His sister plays for the Queensland Firebirds in the Super Netball. His partner plays for Adelaide but reported to being linked to Queensland herself which is why he was linked heavily to Port.

He (or his sister) already owns a house in Noosa so Brisbane makes more sense than do the Suns.

Im more questioning how they could possibly get it done

 

[Coops93]

Acres is clearly better than Newnes and that's essentially who he is replacing. Gone from a fringe 22/depth winger to someone who is a starting winger in semi-final team, and was arguably bog for said team in one of their final games.

Is he going to change life? Maybe not, but is he another incremental improvement? Absolutely.

 

[Arr0w]

Again, not getting involved in your and MJ discussion...

I said in my post no doubt, they have access to a sports psychologist
"It's an area we/ all AFL clubs use and have employees in" and my point is "I'd love us to beef it up"

Our lapses in games Port, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Melbourne and others...
You could possibly put Port & Hawthorn, down to learning a new game plan...

But the lapses aren't from physical aspects, so they would be mental lapses and tightening up and panic...
All of which a sports psychologist, would be the best to help, at all levels individuals, team and club at how to deal and overcome the scenario...

I'd also see it beneficial to use one in the recruiting and player identification process...

Not sure what is a "guess analysis" no doubt all elite sports organisations use sports psychologist including us...

Perhaps you should reply to the source of the interaction rather than me

Again, how do you know it was mental lapses rather than execution and or fatigue?

None of us here know a player/groups mindset, it's strengths or weaknesses

Were the Hawks, Port, Dogs, Swans, mentally weak that they couldn't overrun us in close games?

You see, it's all a guess as an outsider

 

[DangerousD]

I know it doesn’t seem popular but I see a lot of promise in SOS being our backup ruck.

Jack averaged 14 possessions and kicked 17.14 and averaged 3 tackles.

If Jack can get to 16-18 possessions and 20-25 goals, it will be a fantastic return for a relief ruck. There is no point conceding so much in ruck if Jack can’t get his hands on the ball more, hopefully he can.

 

[Wickzki]

Brian Cook is 66, but I get what you mean elsewhere.

The "young hands " comment was specifically regarding Sayers. As in this isn't a Pratt situation where the wheels will eventually fall off regardless of the intent and passion for the club.

 

[morningbrown]

Perhaps you should reply to the source of the interaction rather than me

Again, how do you know it was mental lapses rather than execution and or fatigue?

None of us here know a player/groups mindset, it's strengths or weaknesses

Were the Hawks, Port, Dogs, Swans, mentally weak that they couldn't overrun us in close games?

You see, it's all a guess as an outsider

I would say the Hawks and Port games were definitely a mental and physical fatigue issue. Good teams put those games out of reach in that position. Even if we won both by 3 or 4 goals, we would have made the 8.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Again, not getting involved in your and MJ discussion...

I said in my post no doubt, they have access to a sports psychologist
"It's an area we/ all AFL clubs use and have employees in" and my point is "I'd love us to beef it up"

Our lapses in games Port, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Melbourne and others...
You could possibly put Port & Hawthorn, down to learning a new game plan...

But the lapses aren't from physical aspects, so they would be mental lapses and tightening up and panic...
All of which a sports psychologist, would be the best to help, at all levels individuals, team and club at how to deal and overcome the scenario...

I'd also see it beneficial to use one in the recruiting and player identification process...

Not sure what is a "guess analysis" no doubt all elite sports organisations use sports psychologist including us...

It's possible some of the "lapses" are to do with mental fatigue or panic, and that a sports psych would be able to help.

It's equally possible that those lapses are to do with physical fatigue, immaturity and limited time under a new coach, none of which a sports psych would be able to help.

I'm all for improving our composure, but a lot of the examples given for lapses are from inexperienced players. Owies (31 career games, missed a chunk of games through injury), O'Brien (60 career games, spent the best part of two years playing Covid-ball), Curnow (84 career games, first season back after an 18 month layoff). Can add some obvious errors late in the season from Durdin (23 career games) and Stocker (28 career games).

It's a stretch to claim that the side is "mentally weak". Just as realistic to judge that the side is inexperienced and learning a new system after two years with a coach who didn't want his side to defend. Those "lapses" are coachable moments.

 

[TENACIOUS]

People forget that the Pies were on their knees before Eddie became president transformed them and put good football people into key positions.

The same is happening with us at long last.

Sayers gets in as president and before his first (partial) year as president is over he's gotten Brian Cook from Geelong and one of the most respected assistant coaches in recent years (Voss) in as coach and is doing his best to give them the support staff that they require.

With good football people in fortunes change.

The club is finally in capable hands. Young hands that have the vigor to endure.

Can't remember...

Did Sayers get it over the line to change the constitution to allow him to stay on for longer?
Or is next year his last?

Would be a shame to lose him, seems to be our best president we've had for quite a while...

 

[El Topo]

The whole "mental weakness" debate is a bit circular but you'd have to be mad to think it wasn't an issue this year. Maybe we'd benefit by defining our terms.

Team gets out to a big lead, drops the ball and scrapes over the line for a close win.

Team doesn't turn up switched on against bottom 8 sides, drops key games and puts itself in the position of playing knockout footy in the final rounds.

Team steps up in said knockout rounds, gets in a winning position and shits the bed with unforced errors in consecutive weeks instead of closing out the game.

That's clearly immaturity and lack of leadership - what posters seem to mean by "mental weakness" - so much more to it than counting up the W/L column.

 

[Arr0w]

Because I'm not part of that discussion and don't want to be...

Yet, you continue to reply to me only, when MJ raised the subject topic

We seem to run out all games pretty well...
If we are so fatigued after half time break than we have an issue...

Like many clubs with the level of experience we have

It's obvious to see there are mental lapses under pressure...

Or it's both mental and fatigue, none of us know, so stop using the word clearly

When things get tight we tend to go away from the game plan, stop running, panic and blind bomb the ball...

Again, most sides do with our level of experience and lack of continuity with the number of injuries, a new gameplan

All things a sports psychologist can help and benefit us with,

Please show me where i have stated they can't help

I don't care what Hawks, Port, Dogs, Swans, or any other clubs do
or if you think, they are mentally weak that they couldn't overrun us in close games?
That's a you and MJ discussion...

I wasn't suggesting they are mentally weak, pointing out that losing a game doesn't equate to being mentally weak

It's not a guess at all that AFL clubs and all elite sporting organisations use sports psychologist, to help them get better...

Again, i have never stated otherwise

Absolutely... It's a guess what they work on, none of us would ever know that and not sure anyone has stated they do...

No, MJ clearly stated we are mentally weak, so perhaps you should be debating it with him, rather than replying to me

I'm not sure why you are so against it...
Do you think people are weak for using a psychologist? Because that's olden days thinking...
Using a sports psychologist is a positive thing that can help individuals and the group of players & coaches get better...

And again, where have I said I was against it, or stated we don't use it or it isn't beneficial?

I suggest you are debating with the wrong person

 

[Benaly28]

Why do Carlton folk think Acres is the ANSWER when he’s been squeezed out of two clubs that haven’t been world beaters ?


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He’s not the answer he just compliments the list well and fills a void where we’re lacking.


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