List Mgmt. List Management 2024-25

[Addy23]

Unpopular opinion coming.

You don't really need good tall forwards anymore.

Brisbane and Sydney being most recent grand finalists and Collingwood the year before are proof of this.

It's about the system. And we had none in the Dixon era.

Not unpopular I'd say, it's about using the entire ground to your advantage and doing so requires massive effort to ensure you constantly provide an option. Last year was only DBJ that was a hard working small forward. Now you have SPP, Richards and Berry too who are able to cover ground.

 

[rogerjames]

If that’s true then that is ridiculous. Port can’t be held to ransom and should’ve done something about this (unsure if they could do anything). But if that’s true that’s absolute bullsh!t and just shows the ridiculous vic centric narrative

It should reported to the Afl who should warn them once & then suspend them for indiscretions. Player managers have way too much power. There should be a strict code of conduct that is administered & monitored by the Afl.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Players have to take responsibility if they are trying block out a player from contesting the ball. AFL should treat each case on its merits.

 

[Scodges]

Melbourne are unlikely to get rat-****ed by the head of the players agency.

They won't get three first rounders but they'll go close.

They’re not even getting [emoji638] firsts. He’s good , but no way worth [emoji638].


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[philthy05]

Unpopular opinion coming.

You don't really need good tall forwards anymore.

Brisbane and Sydney being most recent grand finalists and Collingwood the year before are proof of this.

It's about the system. And we had none in the Dixon era.

Unpopular? It’s factually wrong.

Brisbane’s FF finished the home and away season 6th on the Coleman ladder.

Our highest finish was 18th.

The year before it was 20.

Saying Brisbane didn’t have good kfs when Danihers Coleman finish of 6th im going to hazard a guess has been matched or bettered by a port kf very rarely in the Hinkley era.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

NWM: The Crows' offer is a 'lifer' - up to eight years plus. Port will also chase Wanganeen-Milera strongly. He has been settled in Melbourne as a big piece of the Saints' future under Ross Lyon. Whichever way it goes he's joining the million dollar men club.​

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

A clean out needs to take place asap. We are no mans land with the current list. Something has to change because this list right now is not cutting it. Port has to cut the excess waste and potentially have a few years of pain before competing again.

URGENT NEEDS (Most to least urgent)

• Key Defenders especially over 200cm
• Small Defenders with speed and skill
• Midfielders; Wines and Boak ain't cutting it anymore
• Ruck
• Key Forwards
• Small forwards
• TALENT TALENT TALENT

Players we either have to move on or consider moving on:

• Jackson Mead: Vanilla in every sense of the word. Nothing elite about him. TRADE or DELIST
• Ollie Wines: Not skillful enough and is a slow-plodder. TRADE
• Travis Boak: You're taking up a spot. It says a lot if we're still playing a soon-to-be 37 year old man instead of youth. RETIRE
• Lachie Jones: Can't handle a footy. 5 seasons and you still cannot hold a footy to save your life? TRADE; doubt it but it never hurts to test the market or DELIST
• Jeremy Finlayson: Possesses the talent and skills but his efforts are piss poor. Gives up when it gets too tough. DELIST
• Jed McEntee: Can't football at AFL. Only SANFL at best. DELIST ASAP
• Ryan Burton: Has been very average overall in the past few years. TRADE or DELIST
• Ivan Soldo: Wanted out after 1 season and couldn't get his wish. Grant his wish to move back to VIC. TRADE
• Dylan Williams: Has the skills and talent but has the pace of a snail. 6 seasons and still cannot get games. DELIST
• Tom Anastasopoulos: Don't think he is up to it. DELIST
• Lachlan Charleson: Not up to it. DELIST
• Rory Atkins: Spud. DELIST
• Hugh Jackson: If he cannot get a game within the next few weeks Butters injured and Mead having more midfield minutes at the moment. DELIST
• Josh Sinn: If he cannot grab the opportunities and gets soft-tissue injuries again. Cut our losses. TRADE
• Kane Farrell: If he gets a deal too good to refuse from a VIC club and gives us a high end 1st round pick as compensation, I'll take it. FREE AGENCY or KEEP OTHERWISE
• Todd Marshall: A head knock or two away from being forced into retirement. RETIRE
• Ollie Lord: If he cannot find regular games at this point, move him on while he still has some value. TRADE

I would also like to include Ratugolea but we're stuck with his contract for a while and no other club are foolish enough to make a play for him. BZT is solid but he won't ever be an elite defender and he isn't blessed with the physique nor athleticism to play on the bigger bodies and certainly doesn't have the leg speed to compete as well; Tex Walker outsprinted him and kicked a goal.

Now we can't and won't be able to get rid of all of them at once, but we have to start cutting players won't bring any value to Port Adelaide right now.

I haven't mentioned Miles Bergman and Zak Butters yet since my preference is to keep them. We'll know more at the mid-way point of the season if they will explore a move back to Vic based on what they do such as:

• Miles putting contract talks on hold until the end of the season.
• Zak Butters saying he is a contracted player.
• And many other cliches when it comes to trade rumours.

 

[ibd77]

Well we need to hit the draft hard before Tasmania comes in. That means sacrificing Butters and Bergman in the process as they are the only players in our squad with any trade value.

 

[Ah12]

Well we need to hit the draft hard before Tasmania comes in. That means sacrificing Butters and Bergman in the process as they are the only players in our squad with any trade value.

You dont trade established guns with 6-8 years of footy left in them. Especially the quality of those two. We shouldnt have traded a future first for soldo, ratagulea and sweet or for Luko. Those two decisions will set us back for years.

 

[El_Scorcho]

We didn't lose to Collingwood by 15 goals because of the list. Our list is simply impossible to assess under the current coaching setup. We've seen it play some scintillating footy and then some of the worst footy i've ever seen.

 

[all seeing eye]

Just give Butters and Bergman offers they cant refuse, build the depth by chasing solid underpayed players from around the leagues.

 

[Rash]

no point trading butters if we are going to get 1 first round pick (likely to happen).

We will probably draft another flaky half back or another sinn or jones

 

[Ford Fairlane]

We didn't lose to Collingwood by 15 goals because of the list. Our list is simply impossible to assess under the current coaching setup. We've seen it play some scintillating footy and then some of the worst footy i've ever seen.

We looked like we spent the whole pre-season practising one-way ahead-of-the-ball running. Absolutely could not defend or run back to block up holes.

We played a team who everyone all week questioned the fitness of, and they ran us off our legs. If they hadn't put the cue in the rack for much of the last quarter we could have lost that by anything.

That's on the coach. Preparation has been an absolute fail.

 

[Nemisis]

What do we do with high draft pick plodders?
Keep playing them and hope like hell they change. Or just put it down to experience and move on.
Sinn, Mead, Jones and Williams all have issues at the top level.
Mead is a great tryer and is in and under but has no evasive skills or speed for a modern day midfielder.
Sinn, its early days and has some good AFL attributes but is not anywhere near up to it as yet.
Jones. I feel sorry for the lad. Wonderful young man who panic's and fumbles ... often.
Williams is the best of the lot but his leg speed is the issue and that won't ever change.
I would be a terrible list manager. Having to delist good young men but AFL is cutthroat.

 

[ClickBOOM1870]

Unpopular opinion coming.

You don't really need good tall forwards anymore.

Brisbane and Sydney being most recent grand finalists and Collingwood the year before are proof of this.

It's about the system. And we had none in the Dixon era.

While I agree system is the most important thing, every team needs a capable power forward IMO.

Brisbane had Daniher while also resting Fort/Big O there, Geelong had the Hawkins/Cameron one two punch while also resting SDK in there.

We have a couple of good tall forwards in Georgiades and Luko but without a bigger and more dangerous presence in our forward line they’re gonna to struggle to get off the chain.

The ideal scenario is to have (and use) the option of hitting a lead up forward when they present, or fall back to creating a contest with the power forward in the goal square, bringing the crumbers into play when they dont.

We just dont have the latter option on our list today.

 

[Interstater]

Looking at this trade in hindsight:

• Houston for Lukosius, Richards and Atkins,
• 2025 pick round pick (likely about pick 8) for pick 13 and 29,

the question has to be asked, is Chris Davies already working for Collingwood but covered under Port's soft cap?

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I'm sorry to say it but I'm waiting to see what Josh Carr can do.

I hope he breathes fire from day one.

But there are a fair few guys on notice.

 

[Powerade 08]

Our list management has never been good, but we now have an undeniably bad list.

Locked in Rat - BZT - Luko - Georgiades as part of our spine for the next 5 years.

Our highest picks in the last 5 drafts - L.Jones - Sinn - McCullum - Anastopolous - Berry

The only big win so far has been trading for JHF

We have very little room to change things without trading Bergman.

 

[240volt]

A clean out needs to take place asap. We are no mans land with the current list. Something has to change because this list right now is not cutting it. Port has to cut the excess waste and potentially have a few years of pain before competing again.

URGENT NEEDS (Most to least urgent)

• Key Defenders especially over 200cm
• Small Defenders with speed and skill
• Midfielders; Wines and Boak ain't cutting it anymore
• Ruck
• Key Forwards
• Small forwards
• TALENT TALENT TALENT

Players we either have to move on or consider moving on:

• Jackson Mead: Vanilla in every sense of the word. Nothing elite about him. TRADE or DELIST
• Ollie Wines: Not skillful enough and is a slow-plodder. TRADE
• Travis Boak: You're taking up a spot. It says a lot if we're still playing a soon-to-be 37 year old man instead of youth. RETIRE
• Lachie Jones: Can't handle a footy. 5 seasons and you still cannot hold a footy to save your life? TRADE; doubt it but it never hurts to test the market or DELIST
• Jeremy Finlayson: Possesses the talent and skills but his efforts are piss poor. Gives up when it gets too tough. DELIST
• Jed McEntee: Can't football at AFL. Only SANFL at best. DELIST ASAP
• Ryan Burton: Has been very average overall in the past few years. TRADE or DELIST
• Ivan Soldo: Wanted out after 1 season and couldn't get his wish. Grant his wish to move back to VIC. TRADE
• Dylan Williams: Has the skills and talent but has the pace of a snail. 6 seasons and still cannot get games. DELIST
• Tom Anastasopoulos: Don't think he is up to it. DELIST
• Lachlan Charleson: Not up to it. DELIST
• Rory Atkins: Spud. DELIST
• Hugh Jackson: If he cannot get a game within the next few weeks Butters injured and Mead having more midfield minutes at the moment. DELIST
• Josh Sinn: If he cannot grab the opportunities and gets soft-tissue injuries again. Cut our losses. TRADE
• Kane Farrell: If he gets a deal too good to refuse from a VIC club and gives us a high end 1st round pick as compensation, I'll take it. FREE AGENCY or KEEP OTHERWISE
• Todd Marshall: A head knock or two away from being forced into retirement. RETIRE
• Ollie Lord: If he cannot find regular games at this point, move him on while he still has some value. TRADE

I would also like to include Ratugolea but we're stuck with his contract for a while and no other club are foolish enough to make a play for him. BZT is solid but he won't ever be an elite defender and he isn't blessed with the physique nor athleticism to play on the bigger bodies and certainly doesn't have the leg speed to compete as well; Tex Walker outsprinted him and kicked a goal.

Now we can't and won't be able to get rid of all of them at once, but we have to start cutting players won't bring any value to Port Adelaide right now.

I haven't mentioned Miles Bergman and Zak Butters yet since my preference is to keep them. We'll know more at the mid-way point of the season if they will explore a move back to Vic based on what they do such as:

• Miles putting contract talks on hold until the end of the season.
• Zak Butters saying he is a contracted player.
• And many other cliches when it comes to trade rumours.

Pretty drastic but I agree, people need to wake up and understand our list is not premiership material.

 

[240volt]

I'm sorry to say it but I'm waiting to see what Josh Carr can do.

I hope he breathes fire from day one.

But there are a fair few guys on notice.

Breath all the fire he wants, he can’t turn water into wine.
Only way forward is a massive clean out of soft players who can’t handle pressure.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Carr will have the boxing gloves out day one

 

[JUSTWORK]

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Looking at this trade in hindsight:

• Houston for Lukosius, Richards and Atkins,
• 2025 pick round pick (likely about pick 8) for pick 13 and 29,

the question has to be asked, is Chris Davies already working for Collingwood but covered under Port's soft cap?

It's just ridiculous, we gave up a superstar and the best half back in the game for 2 fringe players and a guy who shouldn't even be on an AFL list

 

[PortVic]

Unpopular opinion coming.

You don't really need good tall forwards anymore.

Brisbane and Sydney being most recent grand finalists and Collingwood the year before are proof of this.

It's about the system. And we had none in the Dixon era.

Seems coaching staff aren’t confident in Lord. But I think he needs to play just for team structure. Luko was just looking for little 15m hit up leads last night. And Mitch is useless if they apply body to him stopping his leap. Lord sits in that drop zone 20-30m out just give us a contest. And also chop out in the ruck. Similar to what Keefe does for GWS, I don’t think anyone believes his best 22 on talent at GWS, his there for structure.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Breath all the fire he wants, he can’t turn water into wine.
Only way forward is a massive clean out of soft players who can’t handle pressure.

McRae turned it around in two years probably with less.

The list isn't the problem. We've been to finals four of the last five years.
It is the coaching that doesn't have a Creed worthy bone in his body.
It's been 13 years of poor coaching.
A good coach could've nabbed us a couple of flags in Hinkley's time.

 

[philthy05]

Our ooc players according to footywire

I doubt zerk is correct, he likely signed a new contract when he was traded here.

Status
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher	NFA / sign (prob already)​
Dylan Williams	UFA / delist​
Hugh Jackson	NFA / some hope for him but needs to debut this year or delist​
Ivan Soldo	NFA / explore trade but don’t think he has any worthwhile trade value. Might as well keep on 1 year deal as depth unless we can get a top 40 draft pick.​
Jase Burgoyne	NFA / sign​
Jed McEntee	NFA / delist​
Jeremy Finlayson	NFA / ? Has his rightful detractors. Neither here nor there. He’s ok depth in my eyes. Would prob give him another year as we will already be cutting deep this year.​
Josh Lai	NFA / dunno yet​
Josh Sinn	NFA / sign​
Kane Farrell	RFA / sign unless he’s getting band 1. We’ve already lost a long kicking running halfback. We lack drive from hbf now. He’s pretty important now. And this draft is not a good one at all reportedly with so many linked to clubs already. Don’t see the point in getting pick 28 that will turn into pick 40 in a weak draft.​
Lachlan Charleson	NFA / unsure. Need to see something from him this year.​
Logan Evans	NFA / sign​
Miles Bergman	NFA / absolute priority signing​
Rory Atkins	UFA / delist​
Ryan Burton	NFA / meh. Don’t care either way. If we cut heavy maybe we keep him as senior depth and see what he does under Carr. If we need the list spots cut.​
Tom Anastasopoulos	NFA / unsure. Needs to show something this year. I would be hesitant to keep both him and Charleston after signing berry and Richard’s. The football equivalent of snapping a pool cue and telling them we’ve got a spot for one​
Tom Cochrane	NFA / ? Unsure but I don’t have much hope for him as an afl player​
Travis Boak	UFA / Retire, ffs​
Will Lorenz	nfa / sign​

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That’s 6-11 list changes just there ^

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Trade bait -

- mead (lucky he’s got a contract) I would delist if he didn’t. I doubt anyone bites and takes him. I would accept a pick upgrade in the 4th round for him. Think we’re stuck with him.

Jones - would test the waters on him, but I don’t think we would get enough. Wouldn’t let him go for less than a 2nd rounder really. Maybe at that price there’s some vague interest? Otherwise keep him and see what Carr does with him.

Possibly also suss out markets for spp and lord but doubt they get offers that warrant us moving them on. Lord would only be a type I would trade for overs and I don’t think we’re the club to get that.


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