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Slightly less caloric intake these days also.
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Great news for our development pathways
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Just been thinking that if we take our 3 current draft picks to the draft we will have added. 3 of the 5 players who we’ve drafted on our list with the earliest picks would have been taken in 1 draft.
We’ve only got 4 players we’ve drafted under pick 30 on our list. All in the last 2 drafts. Could be 7 after this draft.
Got me thinking about the volume of draft picks taken in our history given these lack of top 30 players now. I’ve decided to break it down with our picks taken from 01-08, 09-18 and 19-now. Given the seemingly different strategies at each time.
[TD valign="top"][/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Picks 1-10[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Picks 11-20[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Picks 21-30[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Total[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]01-08[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]8[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]6[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]6[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]20[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]09-18[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]0[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]2[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]3[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]5[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]19-now[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]1[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]1[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]2[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]4[/TD]
The numbers were boosted from 01-08 by 2 start of first round priority picks. And as we were mostly competing from 09-18 we started with higher picks. And we won 3 flags in that time.
But now we are at a rebuilding phase we need as many top 30. It’s why I’m also hesitant to spend loads trying to move up this year.
From 09-18 it was all about topping up. Now to me it’s time to start laying foundations for our next premiership assault. Even with free agency no teams have succeeded by topping up. It’s all been built on a core of drafted talent.
As such, given the above numbers, our two bottom 5 finishes have been unsurprising. Despite the other goings on around the last two years.
We’ve only got 4 players we’ve drafted under pick 30 on our list. All in the last 2 drafts. Could be 7 after this draft.
Got me thinking about the volume of draft picks taken in our history given these lack of top 30 players now. I’ve decided to break it down with our picks taken from 01-08, 09-18 and 19-now. Given the seemingly different strategies at each time.
[TD valign="top"][/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Picks 1-10[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Picks 11-20[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Picks 21-30[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]Total[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]01-08[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]8[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]6[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]6[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]20[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]09-18[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]0[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]2[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]3[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]5[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]19-now[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]1[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]1[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]2[/TD]
[TD valign="top"]4[/TD]
The numbers were boosted from 01-08 by 2 start of first round priority picks. And as we were mostly competing from 09-18 we started with higher picks. And we won 3 flags in that time.
But now we are at a rebuilding phase we need as many top 30. It’s why I’m also hesitant to spend loads trying to move up this year.
From 09-18 it was all about topping up. Now to me it’s time to start laying foundations for our next premiership assault. Even with free agency no teams have succeeded by topping up. It’s all been built on a core of drafted talent.
As such, given the above numbers, our two bottom 5 finishes have been unsurprising. Despite the other goings on around the last two years.
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It will not be through a lack of trying, really happy to see young and old Hawks comitted to training early at the club. Wingard, Mitchell, Sicily, Maginness and more leading the way.
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It’s a sign of the times (Covid) that nearly all clubs have guys training earlier than scheduled to officially return
Give the hawks an inch and we will take a mile
anytime we get strong access to the draft we do pretty well.
Give the hawks an inch and we will take a mile
Shockers and Superstars almost in even measure. if you are cracking 40-45%, even with solid players, you are ahead of the 'average'
Hodge Lewis Franklin Roughead Croad Harford v thorp Dowler brennan ellis McPharlin
Rioli Crawford Allan ladson Platten Smith Schoemakers Holland v Robran Lamb O'dwyer Obst Burton Elstone Muston Lovell
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Platten wasn’t drafted
Neither was Ben Allan
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Well we have Scrimshaw, only 23? and was a pick 7. Got him for a bag of chips too.
Ben Allan pick 14 in 1989
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We have traded in a lot of top 10 picks including Silk, McEvoy, Wingard, O'Meara, Scrimmers and Tom who would have been if not for being a F/S selection. Gunston and Impey both top 30 selections.
But I think the point the original poster was trying to make was that premiership teams are built on a core of drafted (not traded) top end picks which we don't have (yet).
The caveat to this is that historically there have been significant barriers to player movement. So having a core of drafted players was the only model. You do need luck at the draft but shrewd trades, free agents and taking advantage of the additional opportunities to add players to your list will see different mix of sides emerge that go on to win premierships. Richmond don’t win a flag without Houli, Prestia and caddy. I’d say all three were core players in 2017. Naturally Martin, range and Cotchin were all drafted though and represent the very top end of their talent.
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Agree. Likewise, we don't enjoy success without Silk, Hale, Gunston, Gibson and Lake
Hard to argue that silk, Gunston and Gibbo weren’t our core! And the other two were structural players.
Platten sort of was.
We selected him in the 1981 interstate draft but he chose not to come, when brown paper bags tried to get him on board I think we won the legal argument because that draft selection was recognised as meaning he was our player if he ever came to the VFL, even though it was 5 years later.
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We don’t. I’m not against trading but we were adding these guys to Hodge, Mitchell, Franklin, Roughy, Lewis, Birch and Cyril. If you tried to add these players through trading you’d run out of trade capital very quickly trying to bring them in or broke through free agency.
Plus we had a number of other very important players. Smith drafted early but Hill, Shiels, poppy, Breust and Stratton with picks 30+.
This current list I’m not seeing the quality that we start building around. Instead we need to look to draft it.
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