List Mgmt. List Management Discussion for 2021

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Strapping Young Lad

previously grumbleguts
Apr 19, 2006
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As a leader on good coin and a long term contract he needs to lift NOW big time. What he has done in the past is in the past.

It starts with his body language and as I said get him into the action and let’s get him involved.

The BS about being ungrateful is a total cop out.
You’re ungrateful if you’re suggesting that he’s not doing enough and needs to do more, while leading our goal kicking, in a side where we are getting belted in the middle every week.
 

Simon Crawshay

Club Legend
Jun 4, 2016
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I am very pumped for Jai's debut this week but I think it speaks volumes that we have a mid season drafter walk straight into our midfield.

We are so, so light on in our on all brigade in both sheer quality and number of players who can play this position.

It is actually a worry the club has managed the list so poorly that we end up in our current scenario where we have by my estimation close to 10 half back flanker types yet probably only 5 pure on ballers.

When you look at how many class players teams like Geelong, Doggies, etc can rotate through the middle and we basically just have JOM, Mitchell and Worps no wonder we are getting destroyed in stoppages!

I feel like the coaching panel has badly miscalculated how the modern game has developed although I admit they appear to be taking steps at last years draft to rectify it (still worried we will pick another rangy half back flanker in this year's draft though)
 

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Bardo State

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Nov 21, 2010
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It's crazy how little respect Breust gets. Next cab off the rank after Cyril, Greene, Johnson and Betts as the best small/medium forward of his time imo.

Which smalls have been better than him this year? Tippa, Fritsch and Greene? Maybe some others at a stretch? It's a short list in a team that has averaged 14 fewer inside 50 entries than it's opponents (North next worst at 7 fewer). His crumbing has still been elite when he's had the chance and pressure still good (come a long way since he was dropped in the 2011 finals).

Deadset he's the last player on the entire list you could point the finger at for why we've sucked. We're very lucky to have him running around.
 

TylerDurden

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Mar 5, 2007
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It's crazy how little respect Breust gets. Next cab off the rank after Cyril, Greene, Johnson and Betts as the best small/medium forward of his time imo.

Which smalls have been better than him this year? Tippa, Fritsch and Greene? Maybe some others at a stretch? It's a short list in a team that has averaged 14 fewer inside 50 entries than it's opponents (North next worst at 7 fewer). His crumbing has still been elite when he's had the chance and pressure still good (come a long way since he was dropped in the 2011 finals).

Deadset he's the last player on the entire list you could point the finger at for why we've sucked. We're very lucky to have him running around.
Leading goalkicker this year.
 

Noel Gallagher

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Oct 3, 2006
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Leading goalkicker this year.
I've never understood the Breust criticism. Came to the club from a rugby background and did it tough in his first few years - wasn't even good enough to play in the Box Hill firsts in his first season. His biggest knock early on was that he was too "soft" Worked hard and transformed himself into one of the premier small forwards in the comp. Got knocked out cold running with the flight of the ball in a game but came back and never shirked a contest which he was justified in doing

Has again come out and said he doesn't want to eave the club unless the club wants to move him on. Some seem to think that he should be kicking 2-3 goals a game (despite the poor delivery of the worst midfied in the comp) and/or racking up a more possessions when he goes in the middle - WTF?
 

Billyc

Norm Smith Medallist
Oct 17, 2009
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Leading goalkicker this year.
With only 18 goals that is saying more about how the side is going than Breust having a good season. I might be wrong but I doubt he'd be high up in the B&F. Of course he's playing a tough role in a sh*t side. That said, I think Breust is more valuable to us as a quality senior player than as a trade, given we wouldn't get a first rounder for him anymore. We should keep Breust and Gunston as senior players and move on 2 guys with greater currency.
 

Cyzzametimbres

Senior List
Oct 10, 2018
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The pot shotting of Breust is ridiculous. Leading goal kicker and I'm pretty sure he's playing hurt too (lifted up his jumper last game and showed a belt around his gut). He's never gonna go into the midfield and dominate anyway, give it a rest.
He got 5 years and can’t even dominate at full back! Show some goddam leadership!
 

Beandip

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Sep 22, 2010
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The pot shotting of Breust is ridiculous. Leading goal kicker and I'm pretty sure he's playing hurt too (lifted up his jumper last game and showed a belt around his gut). He's never gonna go into the midfield and dominate anyway, give it a rest.
Ah yes I remember seeing that, anyone know what that was? It looked to have some kind of fitting attached to it?
 

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H00t

All Australian
Sep 28, 2019
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Surely Burgers, Brooksby, Hartley all finish up.

Cegs is contracted and is probably hung on to for depth to BB and Ned.

Shiels looks cooked, and Nash's time must be up?
Cutting people with our list isn’t a challenge. A number will be on our list next year that could count themselves very lucky.
 
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The Chad and I

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Nov 13, 2018
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You’re ungrateful if you’re suggesting that he’s not doing enough and needs to do more, while leading our goal kicking, in a side where we are getting belted in the middle every week.
Not just ungrateful, but downright insulting to suggest he "get his hands dirty" as if he's been coasting all these years - or even now!
 

Ashman23

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Oct 23, 2006
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Basically it says the club won't 'sell the fabric of the club' and they'll have mature conversations will all players. Even though people are speculating, there's be no talk with Tom Mitchell or his manager. They know the club needs more top end talent and may use our second rounders to move up by packaging them but will use pick 2.
 

CHUBBSS

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Apr 6, 2010
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I tell you what, we are doing well when given draft picks no matter where they are found, based on last night pretty happy with dgb over McDonald, full faith in everyone at the club to outpick all the clubs around us this year no matter where we end up.
 

Burtman

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Oct 7, 2016
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Basically it says the club won't 'sell the fabric of the club' and they'll have mature conversations will all players. Even though people are speculating, there's be no talk with Tom Mitchell or his manager. They know the club needs more top end talent and may use our second rounders to move up by packaging them but will use pick 2.
Honestly I’d much rather use pick 20 and 22~ than package those up for pick 10. So far this draft group looks fairly even after the first 2 picks
 

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