Analysis List management errors

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GreyCrow

TheBrownDog
Mar 21, 2016
54,243
81,314
Down South Corvus Tristis
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Sturt, Redskins , White Sox
190 game career and yet to play a Final.

I wonder how many players got to 200 games without playing one in September?

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Most Games, No Finals
Games​
Player
Teams​
Played​
Games​
Current Player
Teams​
Played​
230​
Trevor Barker
SK
1975-1989​
190​
Tom Rockliff
BL,PA
2009-2019​
224​
Geoff Cunningham
SK
1977-1989​
174​
Jack Watts
ME,PA
2009-2019​
219​
Gary Hardeman
ME
1967-1981​
161​
Pearce Hanley
BL,GC
2008-2019​
203​
Steven Smith
ME
1974-1985​
155​
Jack Newnes
SK
2012-2019​
200​
Ted Pool
HW
1926-1938​
139​
David Swallow
GC
2011-2019​
196​
Lynden Dunn
ME,CW
2006-2018​
139​
Brandon Matera
GC,FR
2011-2019​
196​
Bert Mills
HW
1930-1942​
131​
Steven May
GC,ME
2011-2019​
191​
Tony Sullivan
ME
1967-1979​
126​
Ryan Lester
BL
2011-2019​
190​
Tom Rockliff
BL,PA
2009-2019​
125​
Liam Jones
WB,CA
2010-2019​
187​
Keith Forbes
ES,NM,FI
1928-1940​
124​
Sebastian Ross
SK
2012-2019​
184​
Jeff Hogg
RI,FI
1986-1996​
123​
Maverick Weller
GC,SK,RI
2011-2019​
182​
Paul Callery
ME,SK,SM
1970-1980​
120​
Sam Day
GC
2011-2019​
181​
Norm Brown
FI
1962-1973​
119​
Alex Sexton
GC
2012-2019​
180​
Jim Adamson
NM
1929-1941​
113​
Josh Bruce
GW,SK
2012-2019​
179​
Ivan McAlpine
FO,HW
1927-1937​
112​
Lewis Taylor
BL
2014-2019​
177​
Alec Albiston
HW,NM
1936-1950​
109​
Aaron Hall
GC,NM
2012-2019​
174​
Jack Watts
ME,PA
2009-2019​
108​
Trent McKenzie
GC,PA
2011-2019​
170​
Ray Poulter
RI
1946-1956​
107​
Jack Billings
SK
2014-2019​
170​
Paul Morwood
SY,SK,CW
1977-1987​
103​
Luke Dunstan
SK
2014-2019​
170​
Ron Branton
RI
1953-1962​
102​
Jarrod Witts
CW,GC
2013-2019​
170​
Ray Biffin
ME
1968-1979​
101​
Patrick Cripps
CA
2014-2019​
 

Mike Smyth

Cancelled
Oct 8, 2012
16,281
19,955
AFL Club
Adelaide
I'm trying to think of one player whose career has taken an upward trajectory since being traded into Port. Polec doesn't count because he was young and was always going to be a good player.

You could argue Watts, Rockliff, Motlop, Dixon, Lycett's careers have all have stalled or gone backwards since being traded to Port since 2013.
 

Eagleboy2011

Premiership Player
May 16, 2015
3,833
4,969
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
WWTFC
So Pickett BOG in VFL GF and may debut in AFL GF, another free hit for Richmond to follow Stack.

Meanwhile we pass with late picks and didn’t punt on anyone in the mid year draft.

Bloody annoying
Unfortunately we have a lot of people asleep at the wheel on our bus starting at chairman level. That a bad sign.
 

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Redline

Norm Smith Medallist
Jul 18, 2006
5,045
4,029
adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Norwood
Signing David Mackay to a 4 year extension on good money then extending it twice, with the last extension taking him to 32 years of age, is one of the stupidest list management errors in AFL history
The big mistake was the extension last year. I said it at the time a couple more Senior players had to go so we had some flexibility this year. I know people wanted depth but a couple of Mackay, Ottten and Douglas had to go at the end of 2018.

I wouldn't give him a contract for 2020 but the argument now would be we can't have too big a turnover.
 

CrowCro

Club Legend
Mar 6, 2010
1,069
693
Underdale
AFL Club
Adelaide
So in other words we gave up pick20 and pick 7 for pick3. The way people were talking on here last year most would have done that deal. I know I know that last years draft was strong but is pick20 + pick 7 for pick 3 all that bad. What the real problem is the boys that we picked have over the last 3 years.

2018
Jones: hasnt given us much and is still a long way off making a presence
McHenry: Has been injured and whilst he has show something in the SANFL he hasn't given the club anything.
2017
Fogarty: Is still developing and is possibly the one who has shown some real upside but again due to a lack of exposure is possible a year behind where he should be
Andrew McPherson: hasnt been seen
2016
Jordan Gallucci: Cant cement a place in the best 22. So after 3 years we cant say that he has given us anything.
Myles Poholke: Nothing.
Matthew Signorello: Nothing
Ben Davis: Not giving us any lift at all.

So far none of the players that we selected in the draft for the past three years has developed and given us any fresh exciting players. The last time we did any good was in 2015 when we got Milera and Doedee.

Getting Gibbs is only a part of the problem.
Galluci and Poholke to get delisted. Can find better players in the country and in the WAFL and SANFL
 

CrowCro

Club Legend
Mar 6, 2010
1,069
693
Underdale
AFL Club
Adelaide
So in other words we gave up pick20 and pick 7 for pick3. The way people were talking on here last year most would have done that deal. I know I know that last years draft was strong but is pick20 + pick 7 for pick 3 all that bad. What the real problem is the boys that we picked have over the last 3 years.

2018
Jones: hasnt given us much and is still a long way off making a presence
McHenry: Has been injured and whilst he has show something in the SANFL he hasn't given the club anything.
2017
Fogarty: Is still developing and is possibly the one who has shown some real upside but again due to a lack of exposure is possible a year behind where he should be
Andrew McPherson: hasnt been seen
2016
Jordan Gallucci: Cant cement a place in the best 22. So after 3 years we cant say that he has given us anything.
Myles Poholke: Nothing.
Matthew Signorello: Nothing
Ben Davis: Not giving us any lift at all.

So far none of the players that we selected in the draft for the past three years has developed and given us any fresh exciting players. The last time we did any good was in 2015 when we got Milera and Doedee.

Getting Gibbs is only a part of the problem.
Galluci and Poholke to get delisted. Can find better players in the country and in the WAFL and SANFL
 

Cleric

Brownlow Medallist
Oct 14, 2011
13,804
15,013
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
According to Caro, the Crows will be paying a percentage of Betts salary when he moves back to Carlton.
To have the club paying two players in JJ and Betts to play for opposition clubs is a damming example of poor list management. One the list manager should be held to account over.
 

Elite Crow

Cancelled
Mar 21, 2008
56,538
77,654
adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
According to Caro, the Crows will be paying a percentage of Betts salary when he moves back to Carlton.
To have the club paying two players in JJ and Betts to play for opposition clubs is a damming example of poor list management. One the list manager should be held to account over.
When did she say that?
 

Cleric

Brownlow Medallist
Oct 14, 2011
13,804
15,013
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide

Elite Crow

Cancelled
Mar 21, 2008
56,538
77,654
adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide

Cleric

Brownlow Medallist
Oct 14, 2011
13,804
15,013
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
Yes but does that mean we pay the extra or does he take a pay cut?

Sounds like Jenkins will be based on his and Conners comments
We want him gone, same with JJ. If that means paying 50% of their salary to make it happen they will do it. Both have contracts that their new clubs will have to honour, so either the club has to pay the short fall, or the player is happy to lose 50% of their pay.
 

Elite Crow

Cancelled
Mar 21, 2008
56,538
77,654
adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
We want him gone, same with JJ. If that means paying 50% of their salary to make it happen they will do it. Both have contracts that their new clubs will have to honour, so either the club has to pay the short fall, or the player is happy to lose 50% of their pay.
Exactly. Both players are in unique situations where they could lose 50% of their salary to get where they want, that’s what Jenkins said anyway. He wants to play AFL not SANFL which would damage his media career.

Betts wants to go back to Carlton.

Which leads me to my point, Caro was guessing when she said we’d be paying half Betts salary, it was just her opinion and she doesn’t know.
 

Tex200

Cancelled
Dec 24, 2008
19,541
38,979
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
We want him gone, same with JJ. If that means paying 50% of their salary to make it happen they will do it. Both have contracts that their new clubs will have to honour, so either the club has to pay the short fall, or the player is happy to lose 50% of their pay.
I think the way around it is simply that we must have told JJ that he won’t be an automatic selection next year and that we’re moving in a different direction. Happy to honour your contract but it’s going to be reduced through lack of match payment component.
 

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