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[Jonno94]

Yeah I'm sure Adelaide is scrambling to get him now he couldn't even last a month at an AFL club after all his other problems

Won't ever play AFL, even WAFL clubs are rejecting him

Jeff, not Dayle...

 

[blaze036]

Jeff, not Dayle...

Well only using the name Garlett is a bit misleading post deleted

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'd be keen for sure.

Dont know what that would cost us in a trade though?

He's a FA, not sure if RFA or UFA.

 

[MagpieBat]

He's a FA, not sure if RFA or UFA.

Garlett was drafted in 2008. Will not be eligible for Free Agency until 2016, at least...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Garlett was drafted in 2008. Will not be eligible for Free Agency until 2016, at least...

Touché. That's what I get for passing on hearsay without checking my facts.

 

[MagpieBat]

Touché. That's what I get for passing on hearsay without checking my facts.

At the Herald Sun, it would get you a job...

 

[loki04]

Touché. That's what I get for passing on hearsay without checking my facts.

nevermind we are all guilty of it.

 

[Vicky Park]

I agree a Garlett would give us a different edge up forward. There isn't much pressure to keep it in the front half and not a whole lot of pace in the squad.

Down back I'm starting to increasingly like the group we've got despite my initial concerns.

Scharenberg, Langdon, Seedsman, Toovey, Williams, Fasolo and Maxwell still playing well is a strong starting group.

With Ramsay, Oxley and Sinclair as depth. That's pretty good once you get more games and more years together into that group.

We could have a midfield who can rotate back (maybe a Seedsman/Langdon develops into this, Seedsman can also rotate onto a wing and Fasolo can be a fwd/back) but I quite like from a group from a long term standpoint and I'm not even sure another player needs to be added unless we lose Williams.

KM, in your pre-season posts you were not particularly bullish about our prospects for this year, and for the next season or two. Four games in, am I detecting a slightly more optimistic outlook?

 

[Knightmare]

KM, in your pre-season posts you were not particularly bullish about our prospects for this year, and for the next season or two. Four games in, am I detecting a slightly more optimistic outlook?

I'm not seeing Collingwood as a top 4 team this year. Still somewhere around 7th is a realistic and relatively good outcome considering the backline carnage we're experiencing and how little experience is back there.

From a long term standpoint though I'm increasingly liking what we've got. Down back I'm liking the youth we have and once they have games in them I like what they're looking like and I like our core group and how it will can remain constructed for the next 6 or 7 seasons.

Whether it's good enough for a premiership who knows. But we have the players in place to make a run and continue to remain a fixture in the top 8.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm not seeing Collingwood as a top 4 team this year. Still somewhere around 7th is a realistic and relatively good outcome considering the backline carnage we're experiencing and how little experience is back there.

From a long term standpoint though I'm increasingly liking what we've got. Down back I'm liking the youth we have and once they have games in them I like what they're looking like and I like our core group and how it will can remain constructed for the next 6 or 7 seasons.

Whether it's good enough for a premiership who knows. But we have the players in place to make a run and continue to remain a fixture in the top 8.

Agree this Season we be around that 7th Mark and IF that is the case we should have a Pick to Get Moore and be great Value

Yep the Kids down back have really come on but Frost has to go back to Rookie List when Scharanberg comes back. Bit of a Win/Loss Situation there

 

[Shaneprice97]

Agree this Season we be around that 7th Mark and IF that is the case we should have a Pick to Get Moore and be great Value

Yep the Kids down back have really come on but Frost has to go back to Rookie List when Scharanberg comes back. Bit of a Win/Loss Situation there

Huddo could go back to the rookie list and we can keep Frost in all year. Frost is a best 22 player and i think he has gone past Keeffe, and Witts has shown he can play number 1 ruck when required.

 

[TradeDraft]

Huddo could go back to the rookie list and we can keep Frost in all year. Frost is a best 22 player and i think he has gone past Keeffe, and Witts has shown he can play number 1 ruck when required.

Don't think it works that way

 

[mike123]

Is there a real chance of Jeff Garlett coming to Collingwoo? MM already got Thomas who else would he take from us

 

[blaze036]

Is there a real chance of Jeff Garlett coming to Collingwoo? MM already got Thomas who else would he take from us

He is a huge down hill skiing spud, do not want.

 

[Knightmare]

Is there a real chance of Jeff Garlett coming to Collingwoo? MM already got Thomas who else would he take from us

Very premature to think anyone is firstly available but secondly coming to Collingwood at this point in the season. Particularly when talking about guys who aren't free agents.

 

[SpongePie]

Very premature to think anyone is firstly available but secondly coming to Collingwood at this point in the season. Particularly when talking about guys who aren't free agents.

Fair call, though in the "what if" case... what if the Blues wanted to do a clean out and he was one to go. What do you think it would cost us in terms of a trade? 2nd round pick? 3rd round? A player? So not a question of should we or shouldn't we.... but more "if we did, what would that look like?"

 

[SApies]

Huddo could go back to the rookie list and we can keep Frost in all year. Frost is a best 22 player and i think he has gone past Keeffe, and Witts has shown he can play number 1 ruck when required.

Surely Huddo might hang the boots up at seasons end?
As will Maxwell (not on current form, just a feeling) opening up 2 senior spots.

 

[MagpieBat]

Huddo could go back to the rookie list and we can keep Frost in all year. Frost is a best 22 player and i think he has gone past Keeffe, and Witts has shown he can play number 1 ruck when required.

To the best of my knowledge, you can't do that. Once you nominated a rookie at the start of the year under the nominated rookie provisions, they are there for the entire season. So, you just can't send Huddo packing back to the rookie list. He's been upgraded as permanent ruck backup for this year. You want Frost to remain available for selection once Scharenberg gets back, you either conjure another long term injury (not hard with our medical department) or use the mid-year upgrade slot when it becomes available...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think it'll be the mid-year slot, barring any unforeseen injuries between now and then.

 

[PP417]

Drafting a small forward would border on insanity. Can anyone name a small forward who has had an impact for a GF team, there has been about 2 in the last 120 years!
With the 17 great kids we have all we need is ONE A GRADE TALL CLASS DEFENDER to free up Benny Reid and we will be a force again.


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[Scodog10]

Drafting a small forward would border on insanity. Can anyone name a small forward who has had an impact for a GF team, there has been about 2 in the last 120 years!
With the 17 great kids we have all we need is ONE A GRADE TALL CLASS DEFENDER to free up Benny Reid and we will be a force again.


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Mercuri 93, Jarman 97 & 98, Grant 99, Farmer 00, Wanganeen 04, Johnson 07, Rioli 08 and Chapman 09. Quality smalls make an impact in the big one.

Take Ballantyne as an example had he held his nerve he would have been the difference last year and likewise Milne in 2010 if the ball bounces differently.

No doubting a quality KPD would be great, but overlooking small forwards is dangerous business, IMO. The greater issue is the lack of genuine quality small forwards produced these days.

I believe there's one small forward league wide who's kicked 400+ career games in Johnson with Betts the next likely to reach that figure. Therefore it's about finding a great small forward not just drafting a small forward.

 

[Knightmare]

Fair call, though in the "what if" case... what if the Blues wanted to do a clean out and he was one to go. What do you think it would cost us in terms of a trade? 2nd round pick? 3rd round? A player? So not a question of should we or shouldn't we.... but more "if we did, what would that look like?"

Because Garlett is an established talent it would most likely take a trade of a late 1st/early 2nd round draft selection to be in the conversation or an equivalent young talent. He'll be in demand if he is on the table and won't be offloaded so cheaply.

Drafting a small forward would border on insanity. Can anyone name a small forward who has had an impact for a GF team, there has been about 2 in the last 120 years!
With the 17 great kids we have all we need is ONE A GRADE TALL CLASS DEFENDER to free up Benny Reid and we will be a force again.


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You don't spend a first round pick on a small forward. But a mid-late or rookie selection if they've got the talent. I'd have no issue with it.

With KPPs you draft them first round typically or if clear first round quality then possibly in the second round in some exceptional cases. So drafting a small forward should have no influence on whether we whether we pick up a small forward later. (See 2006 draft - Reid/Brown/Dawes/Dick)

As for the issue of should we draft a small forward? I'd say only if it's the right player who can give us a different look and represents strong value. If they don't meet this criteria then you'd look for something else.

 

[DaVe86]

Just basing on the way Hine recruits, and he usually loads up in a specific area which he feels we are deficient.

With extra high picks in the last few years, we have gone more best available and brought in some other high picks like Adams.

However, there have been no KPP's recruited with a first pick since Brown, Reid and Dawes. We've used first round picks to trade or recruit ruckmen, but not KPP's. We've also used free agency, trading and rookie draft to recruit some talls.

So it would seem to me this year we are due to reload our KPP stocks.

Down back we are probably well served with Frost, Keefe, Brown and Reid all relatively young. Cloke and White are still young, but there is a void for new KPF's under that. As they can take 5 years to develop, that would coincide nicely with retirements of Cloke etc. So time seems right to go for KPF's now.

Otherwise, I still think we are 1 gun midfielder away from having that perfect midfield and we will be shallow again once Ball and Swan retires. But we did recruit Adams and Freeman last year to fill this void.

 

[TradeDraft]

Very premature to think anyone is firstly available but secondly coming to Collingwood at this point in the season. Particularly when talking about guys who aren't free agents.

Yep, Way to early to think about that stuff

 

[Knightmare]

It's a draft for KPPs so I'm expecting the same DaVe. At least in the first and possibly the second round if there is another first round quality key position player still available in the second round.

2011 was an attempt at going tall with Paine (50) and Gault (65) then Witts through the NSW program but being late picks you could never really expect much.

With the list gaps around the ground we're set up pretty well, and when you're list is in that situation and it's a draft with a relative strength in key position players that's a good time to capitalise.