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[mike123]

What is so good about Bell?

I see nothing special that he would add to us.

We have Thomas and Adams anyway

He's got a bigger body and uses to well to shrug tackles. Thomas and Adams are small inside midfielders Bell is a big inside midfielder. I don't think we really need a big inside midfielder but I think he could add something to the side.

 

[Shaneprice97]

What is so good about Bell?

I see nothing special that he would add to us.

We have Thomas and Adams anyway

One of the few young carlton players who looks to be good, has the potential to be a very good inside mid in the Josh P Kennedy mould, obviously not an elite top 10 mid like Kennedy though.
Adams is a very good contested player, Thomas is only okay at this stage but has other strings to his bow that will make him a good footballer.

 

[TradeDraft]

He's got a bigger body and uses to well to shrug tackles. Thomas and Adams are small inside midfielders Bell is a big inside midfielder. I don't think we really need a big inside midfielder but I think he could add something to the side.

I doubt MM would trade with us and if so he will ask for way overs

 

[cammo6556]

Thanks for the replies guys. In terms of a player/type... is there anyone we have you might need that is realistic?

 

[Shaneprice97]

Thanks for the replies guys. In terms of a player/type... is there anyone we have you might need that is realistic?

Brodie Smith, pretty sure we are only going to be recruiting for needs and he's about the only one who would fill one for us. But he's arguably a top 3 player for you guys.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Lads. Been reported by 5AA that Kennedy is being targeted by the Crows... Whats his likely price? Whats the likelihood of a deal happening?

Cool I'd trade him for Crouch or Dangerfield. Yeh nah Brad Crouch.
Kennedy won't leave Grundy in Melbourne by himself so you better take him too..

 

[THATSGOLD]

What is so good about Bell?

I see nothing special that he would add to us.

We have Thomas and Adams anyway

Nothing, he doesn't even ring anymore.

 

[Scodog10]

Thanks for the replies guys. In terms of a player/type... is there anyone we have you might need that is realistic?

It's a difficult one because the sanctions have cruelled you in terms of genuine currency from a player perspective in return for Kennedy. For instance if we're trading out Kennedy as a top 20 pick with 2 seasons of development in him the player in kind would have to really offer us something different to our current mix and a lot of the guys that may be gettable on your list don't particularly appear to offer that.

If we're getting really adventurous maybe Douglas to provide a few years of cream which would involve something going back in your direction, but I doubt that's an option so I'm struggling to see how it'll get done. Kennedy's value won't be equal to your first rounder and your second will be unders so the only way I see it getting done is to involve a third club to get similar value for what Kennedy was initially drafted at (which would piss me off no end anyway).

 

[Bard]

One of the few young carlton players who looks to be good, has the potential to be a very good inside mid in the Josh P Kennedy mould, obviously not an elite top 10 mid like Kennedy though.
Adams is a very good contested player, Thomas is only okay at this stage but has other strings to his bow that will make him a good footballer.

When comparing a player to JP Kennedy I wouldn't write them off quickly, I mean he wasn't obviously going to be a top 10 midfielder either was he, or he'd still be at Hawthorn.

 

[Shaneprice97]

When comparing a player to JP Kennedy I wouldn't write them off quickly, I mean he wasn't obviously going to be a top 10 midfielder either was he, or he'd still be at Hawthorn.

Too true, we will just have to wait and see, i like what Tom Bell could be.

 

[Bard]

Too true, we will just have to wait and see, i like what Tom Bell could be.

Yeah he's an interesting prospect, it depends a lot on how much Carlton have stuffed up his development.

If you could get him for a 3rd rounder you'd do it, I'm not sure about 2nd considering he's not even cemented in their best 22.

 

[MyManLynch]

Nothing, he doesn't even ring anymore.

Men !

 

[Shaneprice97]

Yeah he's an interesting prospect, it depends a lot on how much Carlton have stuffed up his development.

If you could get him for a 3rd rounder you'd do it, I'm not sure about 2nd considering he's not even cemented in their best 22.

Yeah, a 3rd rounder is what i would be giving up too, if you could bundle up your 2nd and 3rd rounders for Garlett and Bell, its something you should seriously consider.

 

[Lefthanded]

Lads. Been reported by 5AA that Kennedy is being targeted by the Crows... Whats his likely price? Whats the likelihood of a deal happening?

It's a difficult one because the sanctions have cruelled you in terms of genuine currency from a player perspective in return for Kennedy. For instance if we're trading out Kennedy as a top 20 pick with 2 seasons of development in him the player in kind would have to really offer us something different to our current mix and a lot of the guys that may be gettable on your list don't particularly appear to offer that.

If we're getting really adventurous maybe Douglas to provide a few years of cream which would involve something going back in your direction, but I doubt that's an option so I'm struggling to see how it'll get done. Kennedy's value won't be equal to your first rounder and your second will be unders so the only way I see it getting done is to involve a third club to get similar value for what Kennedy was initially drafted at (which would piss me off no end anyway).

Cammo - agree with others that it's unlikely due to friendships with Pies players (same as most players stay put)

Scodog - Agree with your first point but aren't sure that Kennedy's value isn't equal to Crows 1st rounder. Based on current ladder position they'd have pick 10, which I think gets bumped to at least 11 because of activated compensation picks and may get bumped further with FA. Yes it's still a higher pick than what we got Kennedy with (late teens) but do we get nothing for 2 years development? Or is that development offset by him wanting out? (Disclaimer: I'm not saying he wants out but can only see a trade happening if he did want out).

 

[MarkT2]

Cameron might help win a flag more than Frawley when Frawley is sipping on vbs at the spud farm.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Cameron and he would definately help win a flag if we had the right team around him. The problem is he'd cost us the right team around him.

The hype makes him very expensive and Gubby makes any reasonable deal very problematic. We got Buckley out of Brisbane but he had a pre arranged trade price in his contract and we had Gubby on our side of the table. A Cameron bidding war driven by Gubby should be a spectator sport for us after a first and reasonable offer - and a good watch it would be. By all means try and convince him to come to Collingwood but don't get caught up in the trade hysteria and do not take your eye off other deals in the hope that you land a Cameron deal.

 

[Scodog10]

Cammo - agree with others that it's unlikely due to friendships with Pies players (same as most players stay put)

Scodog - Agree with your first point but aren't sure that Kennedy's value isn't equal to Crows 1st rounder. Based on current ladder position they'd have pick 10, which I think gets bumped to at least 11 because of activated compensation picks and may get bumped further with FA. Yes it's still a higher pick than what we got Kennedy with (late teens) but do we get nothing for 2 years development? Or is that development offset by him wanting out? (Disclaimer: I'm not saying he wants out but can only see a trade happening if he did want out).

I'd say a pick between 12-15 is about right for a former top 20 pick with 2 years development to his name plus no damage done to his playing reputation. However with that being said if I'm Adelaide there is no way I'm paying that much for Kennedy. They haven't had a top 10 selection since 2008 (and he's no longer on the list), they've lost first round picks in the past 2 years and Kennedy isn't the type of player they're screaming out for anyway.

They need to go again at the top end of the draft and though Kennedy is a top end talent I'm not giving my first round pick for him if I'm them. The Polec deal is about what we'd end up with if it's for picks.

Another way of putting it is would you have felt comfortable giving pick 10 last year for a player that had done half as much as Adams had to the end of 2013? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[jackcass]

I'd say a pick between 12-15 is about right for a former top 20 pick with 2 years development to his name plus no damage done to his playing reputation. However with that being said if I'm Adelaide there is no way I'm paying that much for Kennedy. They haven't had a top 10 selection since 2008 (and he's no longer on the list), they've lost first round picks in the past 2 years and Kennedy isn't the type of player they're screaming out for anyway.

They need to go again at the top end of the draft and though Kennedy is a top end talent I'm not giving my first round pick for him if I'm them. The Polec deal is about what we'd end up with if it's for picks.

Another way of putting it is would you have felt comfortable giving pick 10 last year for a player that had done half as much as Adams had to the end of 2013? I certainly wouldn't.

That's the most salient point... think they'll be keen to bolster their KPP stocks, particularly as this draft seems to have quite a few. Rutten retiring and an ageing JPod on the back of losing Bock, Davis and Tippett means they'll need to reload this area and they may not get a better chance than this years draft.

 

[Babylove]

Lads. Been reported by 5AA that Kennedy is being targeted by the Crows... Whats his likely price? Whats the likelihood of a deal happening?

Hasn't Kennedy already resigned with the Pies? Or is his deal still to be done?

 

[THATSGOLD]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Cameron and he would definately help win a flag if we had the right team around him. The problem is he'd cost us the right team around him.

The hype makes him very expensive and Gubby makes any reasonable deal very problematic. We got Buckley out of Brisbane but he had a pre arranged trade price in his contract and we had Gubby on our side of the table. A Cameron bidding war driven by Gubby should be a spectator sport for us after a first and reasonable offer - and a good watch it would be. By all means try and convince him to come to Collingwood but don't get caught up in the trade hysteria and do not take your eye off other deals in the hope that you land a Cameron deal.

Well if we are scared of chasing a big name because of what happened in the Nathan Buckley days we may as well give up. We failed to lure guys like Lockett Judd Dal Santo back in the day. Could have won more than just the 1.
Joly and Ball were the men that helped us to a flag. More so Joly. He was prefect.
It's time we got the whips cracking and recruited a gun or two.

 

[soreplums]

No Team would be able to Give Up what the Giants would want for Cameron

I'd say a pick between 12-15 is about right for a former top 20 pick with 2 years development to his name plus no damage done to his playing reputation. However with that being said if I'm Adelaide there is no way I'm paying that much for Kennedy. They haven't had a top 10 selection since 2008 (and he's no longer on the list), they've lost first round picks in the past 2 years and Kennedy isn't the type of player they're screaming out for anyway.

They need to go again at the top end of the draft and though Kennedy is a top end talent I'm not giving my first round pick for him if I'm them. The Polec deal is about what we'd end up with if it's for picks.

Another way of putting it is would you have felt comfortable giving pick 10 last year for a player that had done half as much as Adams had to the end of 2013? I certainly wouldn't.

I'd take their first rounder in a trade for Ben Kennedy in a hart beat. I thought Benken showed a lot when he came on last week, but would love the chance of using that top 10 pick on a Pickett/Bradshaw. They got the crouch brothers pre and post Tippett, but agree that they may be looking at a tall to replace rutted down back and support talia.

 

[MarkT2]

Well if we are scared of chasing a big name because of what happened in the Nathan Buckley days we may as well give up. We failed to lure guys like Lockett Judd Dal Santo back in the day. Could have won more than just the 1.
Joly and Ball were the men that helped us to a flag. More so Joly. He was prefect.
It's time we got the whips cracking and recruited a gun or two.

Not sure how you dragged being scared out of that nor that anything bad happened in the Buckley recruitment. The Buckely point was simply that when we landed that big fish it was a different trade environment if for no other reason than the price was pre arranged in his contrct with Brisbane.

No need to tell me about players we could/should have landed - I lived it. I would love to land some trageted quality players. A key forward would be great. However I highly doubt we should pay what will be the ask for Cameron. I am all for having a crack but price is everything and he will be expensive and Gubby will be difficult. I just don't want to stake too much on that trade and particularly I don't want to forgo other deals while we negotiate and wait.

 

[TradeDraft]

Few Video Highlights of some Intresting Prospects:

 

[soreplums]

GWS would want Ben Reid for Cameron. People's thoughts on this trade? Not that I think having one without the other would hugely benefit us.

 

[robertg22]

GWS would want Ben Reid for Cameron. People's thoughts on this trade? Not that I think having one without the other would hugely benefit us.

Love Reidy but would do that in a heartbeat. Injury prone good to very good KPP swingman for a potential all time great.

 

[MarkT2]

GWS would want Ben Reid for Cameron. People's thoughts on this trade? Not that I think having one without the other would hugely benefit us.

They would want Ben Reid plus our first round pick plus more.