List Mgmt. List management thread.

[Scodog10]

We could trade Jarryd Blair for Aliir Aliir. I think Blair will just be spare parts after this season and we need to develop a key defender.

I feel sorry for a poster like Knight he puts hrs and hrs of effort into this sort of stuff. His almanac for us is amazing then we see stuff like the above thrown in.

Elliott for two of Hawthorn's most promising youngsters and Blair for the rawest player in the league. Only on bigfooty

In the spirit of keeping discussion going though the trades mentioned don't work because you're giving up too much talent in order to bring new talent in.

Look at it as a cost v opportunity exercise there's no point in bringing in these players if the benefits are negated by a loss in personnel.

The names that Knight mentioned can mostly be had with spare change picks or be brought in as DFA. Trading out established players has seen us slip from contender to the middle of the pack so please no more fantasy style trades

 

[Jonno94]

My contribution to the thread.

The two gettable targets I would like to go after are,

Seb Ross - Big bodied inside midfielder was pick 25 in the 2011 draft, currently at the rabble that is St Kilda.
Kristian Jaksch - Tall defender was pick 12 in the 2012 draft, was reported to be homesick a few weeks ago and would add a developing key defender to the list.

 

[mike123]

Currie just got his contract extended, he isn't going to be handed over for nothing.

Firrito is a spud because he's old and isn't very good.

Elliott is our best small forward, removing him from the team deprives us of our best small forward. Enough said.

I agree Blair's position is under threat by younger, more talented players and we do need another developing key defender. But how is Aliir Aliir the answer? He hasn't played a senior game yet and was lucky to be drafted.

Instead of we can try get another ruckman. Elliot doesn't crumb enough and fly's into packs too much. Ben Kennedy, Alex Fasolo, Josh Thomas and Sam Dwyer (and if we get Jed Anderson) can make up the loss. And for how Aliir Aliir is the answer we can develop him while Keeffe and Brown take the key defensive posts and when Brown goes then we have someone waiting in the wings.

I feel sorry for a poster like Knight he puts hrs and hrs of effort into this sort of stuff. His almanac for us is amazing then we see stuff like the above thrown in.

Elliott for two of Hawthorn's most promising youngsters and Blair for the rawest player in the league. Only on bigfooty

In the spirit of keeping discussion going though the trades mentioned don't work because you're giving up too much talent in order to bring new talent in.

Look at it as a cost v opportunity exercise there's no point in bringing in these players if the benefits are negated by a loss in personnel.

The names that Knight mentioned can mostly be had with spare change picks or be brought in as DFA. Trading out established players has seen us slip from contender to the middle of the pack so please no more fantasy style trades

I'm really only giving up Elliot. Blair is a good player but is replaceable. I'd rather not give Elliot, but i think it would be worth it if we could Duryea and Anderson. I think I mentioned other ruckman that we could for something cheap. Blair for Aliir Aliir is a long shot but I don't think it could work out for us. There are probably some other key defenders out there.

Cost vs opportunity

Elliot vs Duryea, Anderson and whoever we get for Blair.

Blair probably won't be in the side next year so he isn't a big loss.

 

[Scodog10]

Instead of we can try get another ruckman. Elliot doesn't crumb enough and fly's into packs too much. Ben Kennedy, Alex Fasolo, Josh Thomas and Sam Dwyer (and if we get Jed Anderson) can make up the loss. And for how Aliir Aliir is the answer we can develop him while Keeffe and Brown take the key defensive posts and when Brown goes then we have someone waiting in the wings.

I'm really only giving up Elliot. Blair is a good player but is replaceable. I'd rather not give Elliot, but i think it would be worth it if we could Duryea and Anderson. I think I mentioned other ruckman that we could for something cheap. Blair for Aliir Aliir is a long shot but I don't think it could work out for us. There are probably some other key defenders out there.

Cost vs opportunity

Elliot vs Duryea, Anderson and whoever we get for Blair.

Blair probably won't be in the side next year so he isn't a big loss.

I'm not going to beat around the bush Elliott won't get us those two. End of story. Hence my fantasy footy comments not too mention you're giving up a small forward (when we struggle in that area) for a mid and defender.

Blair for Aliir isn't a long shot it's just silly! I can't begin to fathom a situation where I would be comfortable with us trading a best 22 calibre player for someone that is at least 5 years from being a role player at AFL level in Aliir. He is coming from as far back as Daw who is in his 5th year and is still a fair way off it..

The fact that you're so happy to talk up Armstrong and downplay Blair says everything I need to know about your opinions on footy so I'm out.

 

[ash84]

We need bigger bodies all around the ground.

 

[Bay Pie]

What about John O'Rouke from GWS. Pick 2 in the 2012 Draft but only played 1 game.

Might be worth looking at

http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/jonathan-orourke

This is the type we should target.

I'll watch with interest how Dom Tyson fairs at Melbourne. Was a gun junior going at pick 3 but never settled in Sydney.

O'Rourke could be the same. Most likely to cost a 1st rounder at least though.

 

[mike123]

We should trade Blair for Danial Gorringe

 

[MeisterBot]

Lol man, these trade suggestions...

How about Blair for Jack Martin?

Elliott for O'Meara and Gorringe?

Let's bundle the two and get Boyd. If we're lucky, GWS might give us Ward as steak knives.

And Aliir Aliir? Guy's at least 3-4 years from playing at a consistent AFL level.

Siposs and Duryea would be good gets IMO. Probably cost a second rounder each if the Saints and Hawks were looking to trade (protip: they probably aren't).

Kristian Jaksch would be worth looking into also, depending if Hine rates Moore. Would cost a first rounder, maybe a second/third rounder if we bundled a player they need.

Also lol Firrito? Maxwell without the leadership ability.

 

[mike123]

Lol man, these trade suggestions...

How about Blair for Jack Martin?

Elliott for O'Meara and Gorringe?

Let's bundle the two and get Boyd. If we're lucky, GWS might give us Ward as steak knives.

And Aliir Aliir? Guy's at least 3-4 years from playing at a consistent AFL level.

Siposs and Duryea would be good gets IMO. Probably cost a second rounder each if the Saints and Hawks were looking to trade (protip: they probably aren't).

Kristian Jaksch would be worth looking into also, depending if Hine rates Moore. Would cost a first rounder, maybe a second/third rounder if we bundled a player they need.

Also lol Firrito? Maxwell without the leadership ability.

My suggestions made allot more sense than that.

 

[MeisterBot]

I exaggerated obviously. But the trades still aren't realistic in the slighest.

Elliott for Anderson and Duryea
Blair for Aliir Aliir
Blair for Gorringe

Do you really expect these to happen?

 

[mike123]

I exaggerated obviously. But the trades still aren't realistic in the slighest.

Elliott for Anderson and Duryea
Blair for Aliir Aliir
Blair for Gorringe

Do you really expect these to happen?

Maybe Elliot and a second rounder. Depends on how there season goes. Blair for Gorringe I don't know whats wrong with that.

 

[Bay Pie]

Kristian Jaksch would be worth looking into also, depending if Hine rates Moore. Would cost a first rounder, maybe a second/third rounder if we bundled a player they need.

I doubt we'll chase this guy. Apparently as soft as butter. That's not a good thing for a tall.

 

[blaze036]

We could trade Jarryd Blair for Aliir Aliir. I think Blair will just be spare parts after this season and we need to develop a key defender.

Why not trade Blair for Jack Martin, I hear he might struggle for opportunity's

 

[Shaneprice97]

Players at GWS who i think are gettable and would complement us.



12. Jonathon Patton
Was right into this kid before he had a great game against Heath Grundy, after that performance, GWS may never get rid of him or worry about getting rid of him if he gets a regular spot and they are winning. Would be a monster for us at Full Forward.

20. Adam Tomlinson
Absolute running machine, can play forward or down back, as well on the wings. This kid is far to good to be forward 'depth' for GWS, would happily give up a first rounder for him but you would think a second rounder plus a fringe player would get the trade done. Could be very handy for us as a 3rd tall CHF for us. Could be a 25-30 goal, 7-10 mark, 15-20 disposal CHF for us as early as 2015(if we signed him at the end of this year). Will struggle for opportunity at GWS. Huge tank.


24. Jono O'Rourke
This guy has loads of potential, dont no much about him except that he has a great tank, speed, skillset and footy brain and that he can play down back or in the midfield.
Will struggle heaps for a spot in the team, especially with the arrival of Josh Kelly who has nearly cemented his spot in the team since day 1, may only play 5 games of less this year.

25. Cam McCarthy
This guy has third tall written all over him, i see so much of Jack Gunston in him. A skinny, huge leaping dead eye dick in front of goals. May never get a game at GWS if there team doesnt suffer injuries in the front half. Seems like GWS picked him up so no other team gets him? Better players for there line up were available.

26. Jonathan Giles
One of my most requested list inclusions along with Frawley at the the end of this year. This guy can seriously play, when he paired up with brogan as a 50/50 ruck role, over 2 years he averaged 1.3 goals(1.2 in 2013, 1.4 in 2012) a game and about 19 hitouts(17.7 a game in 2013, 19.95 a game in 2012) a game. If we played him a permanent full forward in 2015 he could easily turn his 1.3 goal average(when played 50% in the ruck) into a 2.6 goal a game average which could allow Reid to go back to CHB and rebound along with Frawley. Seriously underrated player, and Tom Boyd looks as though he coukd take his spot in the team if he left, or he could push Giles out of the team. Would cost 2nd to early 3rd round pick or a Blair/Goldsack calibre player. If played as a 50% ruck he would compliment Grundy by allowing him to only play the other 50% of the ruck(like how all the best ruck man develop early days).

30. Lachie Plowman
Top 3 draft pick who may struggle for opportunity that we could give to him, dont know a whole lot about this bloke but. Interesting player, can play as a key back at NEAFL level but needs to gain about 6-10 kilos before he can do it at senior level. At the moment hes more of a flanker.

33. Will Hoskin-Elliott
Very fast outside player player who loves to run and carry, fairly light framed and is prone to injury.

34. Kristian Jaksch
Young developing Key position player, would solve our problem of not having any young key position players. Can play at either end at as of right now his best bet of finding a place in GWS's team would be a 3rd tall defender. Could be a very good player and has loads of potential, would happily pick him up.

39. Tim Mohr
Interesting player, similar to Joel Tippet as probably the best Full Back not in the AFL, when he was picked up. Had 90 rebounds in 22 games in 2013 and 47 in 13 games in 2012. Had only 40 direct goals scored against him in 2013 and usually had the job on the number 1 key forward which is an almighty effort considering GWS were belted alot that year. Would be very handy for as to play him as the 3rd tall down back, playing on the back up ruckman and providing rebound.

48. Sam Frost
I think after he towled up Sam Reid he could pretty much pencil his position in for the year. Very good player who i was keen for even before round 1 this year but i doubt GWS will be getting rid of there future fullback for the next 10 years. Doubt we will see him, similar position with Jon Patton.

 

[Knightmare]

I really like the list you have in mind for us Knightmare. I've always felt that it's difficult to prize big mids (especially talented ones) out of the opposition so to see that there's at least a couple available is encouraging.

I really think this year we can't cut too deep because we've been turning the list over like mad men of late and it isn't sustainable. For mine our most immediate list holes and those that I'd like to see addressed (discounting KPP with Moore looking increasingly likely) from within the AFL are two of a back up ruck, big mobile mid and a rebound backmen.

I don't like bringing in a whole heap of players from other clubs in one off-season and feel that we went overboard with all of White, Adams, Karnezis and Armstrong. The last two weren't really needed because IMO they aren't really filling specific needs, though I haven't given up on Karnezis yet.

With that being said the 3-4 that I'd be all over at the end of the year would be

Seb Ross: I think with Markworth coming back and looking to be preferred as well as Acres and Dunstan being around that same size there may be an opportunity there for us. He's also in a position that he hasn't been in the system too long to have stalled his development completely.

Grimley: Been in the system long enough to step straight in. Is very athletic and would really compliment the brute strength of Grundy and Witts. He's someone that will go under the radar like McKernan last year, but has something about him. He was also Box Hill's leading goalkicker in 2013. Hale recently signed a contract extension and McEvoy isn't going anywhere so opportunities will be limited for him.

Stevenson: He looked good early las year, has size and is a sweet kick. It looks like he'll be squeezed out at Port with how they're tracking now and though I wasn't sold previously reading that info about goals conceded has put him on my radar.

Sexton: Speed, skill and size. He's going to be my special for the year. Cracking that GC midfield will be tough and he just has everything we need in the one package.

I just wanted to throw up the name Matthew Buntine as well as another worth tracking. The problem with all of this discussion though is that the players we're throwing about just don't seem to fit our "moneyball" strategy.

I agree with your view about our list management strategy. We've gone overboard every year since our 2010 premiership with our list turnover. It doesn't build list chemistry and is why we're in no man's land when after 2010 you would have had us pencilled in for top 4 every year and probably another 1-2 premierships given the young age of that core group.
It's something we really should but are yet to learn from Geelong. They rarely delist players and their list changes these past 4 seasons have in the most part been through retirements with the remainder of the list retained. They've done it by getting guys almost exclusively in the top 50 in each draft and just trusted the guys they've picked. No saying we need to go this extreme in this directly but we certainly do need a few seasons with this type of reduced list turnover.

On bringing in new guys from opposition clubs. 1-2 a year is plenty. Finding one guy who can fill is need is essentially what you should set out to do every year and you shouldn't need more than one. Our system for the most part is to use trade week/free agency for list balance and bringing in 2-4 guys each season through this avenue to do that which I'd also agree is too much. Guys need that continuity playing together and developing chemistry and knowing eachothers habits. You don't win with 10 new guys every year and so many from rival clubs. It needs to be a search for quality rather than quantity.

I have watched plenty of Grimley in the VFL for Box Hill. He's a second ruck type option who can present and be a marking target up forward while going well enough in the ruck. He's a Trent West/Jon Giles/David Hale equivalent for those less familiar with his game, but with Hale 30 this year I see him being retained as groomed as the sidekick to McEvoy as someone who fits their positionally versatile model. If he falls out of favour then certain an option and possibly a pretty good option for a club looking for that type.

Sexton I actually really like off a back flank but he does have the versatility to play well through the midfield or up forward. He's tallish and has the requisite pace and skill and as a Queenslander I expect has plenty of development to come. Just hard to see Gold Coast giving him up, he was projected a late 1st rounder in his draft year if not for the zone selection and even if he's not a part of their best team they'll look to retain him for another year I'd expect. But really like him and agree he's someone to target if available.

Ross/Stevenson I like.

Another worth consideration is George Horlin-Smith if he goes out of favour at Geelong. Through the midfield one of the better young players coming through not getting a game at the moment. Just may not come at as much of a bargain basement price as his talent and production is on a higher level than the others suggested. Can develop into a mid size, strong bodied mid. Nice skills, inside ball winning ability and just has that right mix of attributes to develop into a very good mid.

Ryan Lester I'm also watching with interest as a tall, versatile mid to see how his develop comes along.

Buntine I'm not all that confident in. But another year will tell us more.

Collingwood as a club, you can really tell with the guys we are drafting that we're using our own "Moneyball" system and utilise it better than probably any. The recruitment of Tom Langdon last year out of the TAC Cup for anyone aware of his numbers, it's obvious how we noticed in conjunction with an understanding of his numbers what he could do along with the recruitment of Elliott the other year among others. The club really understand the numbers probably better than any other club and are going for those guys who have the numbers behind them as evidence that they can play.
It's just not as great for finding those damaging, outside types with the numbers for these types don't always convert as directly as those more contested ball winners and higher production types and that's why we mostly lack that outside talent.
Gold Coast are an example of a club who find these weapon types at will with all their speedy and high skill types it's incredibly impressive. They've done it more with late draft picks and I'd agree that's the best way to find these as opposed to early draft where there are too many misses with damaging, low production guys with much the same often still available mid-late draft. It will be interesting to see mid-late draft if we take a chance on one of these types of talents there and then this year.

 

[TradeDraft]

Lol man, these trade suggestions...

How about Blair for Jack Martin?

Elliott for O'Meara and Gorringe?

Let's bundle the two and get Boyd. If we're lucky, GWS might give us Ward as steak knives.

And Aliir Aliir? Guy's at least 3-4 years from playing at a consistent AFL level.

Siposs and Duryea would be good gets IMO. Probably cost a second rounder each if the Saints and Hawks were looking to trade (protip: they probably aren't).

Kristian Jaksch would be worth looking into also, depending if Hine rates Moore. Would cost a first rounder, maybe a second/third rounder if we bundled a player they need.

Also lol Firrito? Maxwell without the leadership ability.

Elliot for Gorringe is not as far fatted as you thing as Gorringe is not Best 22 for the Suns

 

[Shaneprice97]

Knightmare, who are the 5-10 players that you want Collingwood to think about recruiting? Obviously only 1-2 of them would get picked up but whos on your want list?

For example

Jon Giles: could really compliment our forward(one of the best goalkicking ruckman in the league), our midfield(with his rucking) and our backline(being able to play Reid back once again).

James Frawley: if we land Frawley aswell as Giles, i would be confident we would have the best 3 talls in defence in the league(Frawley, Reid Brown). Meaning Keeffe may not find a spot in our team anymore unless he reinvents himself as a forward, this could be the other way around with Brown maybe having to turn himself into a forward(could be an interesting move), or Keeffe and Brown may both have very good 2013's and Reid may not need to go into defense. Either way, signing Frawley would a massive plus as he could play the number 1 or number 2 tall or the 3rd tall all to a A grade standard. If would be more than an improvement for Maxwell(being able to play Maxwells role better than Maxwell and being able to handle monster forwards and rebound off of them) and he would offer leadership down back.

Either way, Elite Backline>Elite Forwardline. An elite forwardline with a Elite Midfield and serviceable Backline teases you, but an Elite Backline with a Elite Midfield and servicable Forwardline wins you a premiership. But when you have a Elite forwardline, backline and midfield you win multiple premierships.

 

[mike123]

I don't think we need to chase a tall rebounding defender. We should trust that Oxley and Sharenberg will provide us with that. Even Seedsman to a certain extent but i think he'll become a winger.

 

[Shaneprice97]

I don't think we need to chase a tall rebounding defender. We should trust that Oxley and Sharenberg will provide us with that. Even Seedsman to a certain extent but i think he'll become a winger.

Yeah, we should be developing our own crop. Oxley is very, very promising.
Arguably the best rebounding defender/back flanker in the VFL last season and has natural ball winning ability and elite(i dont use that word lightley) skills. Will only get better as he gains more kilos.

Scharenberg is up there as one of our most promising players, many hope he will be that Clement type of player, being a rebound king and being able to as a play key position backman when needed. Hard to explain my expectations on him.

And theres Langdon who has shown us what hes capable of over the last 2 months, 11 rebound 50's on debut. That is all.
All 3 of those players i hope will be best 22 and in our back 6 by the end of this year.

Seedsman on the wing is one of my Buckley requests, could be a very damaging outside player until he gains a few more kilos/muscle.

 

[Knightmare]

Knightmare, who are the 5-10 players that you want Collingwood to think about recruiting? Obviously only 1-2 of them would get picked up but whos on your want list?

For example

Jon Giles: could really compliment our forward(one of the best goalkicking ruckman in the league), our midfield(with his rucking) and our backline(being able to play Reid back once again).

James Frawley: if we land Frawley aswell as Giles, i would be confident we would have the best 3 talls in defence in the league(Frawley, Reid Brown). Meaning Keeffe may not find a spot in our team anymore unless he reinvents himself as a forward, this could be the other way around with Brown maybe having to turn himself into a forward(could be an interesting move), or Keeffe and Brown may both have very good 2013's and Reid may not need to go into defense. Either way, signing Frawley would a massive plus as he could play the number 1 or number 2 tall or the 3rd tall all to a A grade standard. If would be more than an improvement for Maxwell(being able to play Maxwells role better than Maxwell and being able to handle monster forwards and rebound off of them) and he would offer leadership down back.

Either way, Elite Backline>Elite Forwardline. An elite forwardline with a Elite Midfield and serviceable Backline teases you, but an Elite Backline with a Elite Midfield and servicable Forwardline wins you a premiership. But when you have a Elite forwardline, backline and midfield you win multiple premierships.

Giles and Frawley would both be excellent gets.

With Giles: I think he may well this year or next become available when GWS finally realise they're too tall. I can't help but think he'd be more likely inclined to look to one of the South Australian clubs though or perhaps a winning club as a final piece. With a Grundy/White combo assuming White goes well enough we should hopefully can make do without him.



Ultimately though it comes down to who is available.

I'd love Jeremy Cameron but GWS are not giving up him. Similarly Gibbs he'll either sign with Carlton or move to one of the two SA clubs with both really gunning for him and set to put forward large offers so I'll keep it realistic.

The position needs I identify at present include:

Tall, skilled inside midfielders who can rotate back 2-3 (It's something we're seeing more with teams. Our current mids almost all can push forward and be options but none really have the ability to play off a back flank. Pendlebury with his skills could if we wanted. But we don't have anyone who rotates back as Sam Mitchell, Luke Hodge, Jimmy Bartel, Bryce Gibbs, Brett Deledio, Brendon Goddard among other midfielders can and frequently do)

Elite young key forward (Reid turning 25 this year is the youngest so another is needed. Whether Darcy Moore has the scope to be this we'll find out more this year, otherwise it will take a first round draft selection and the right talent identification to find one. You'd also take a shot at Boyd or Patton if one is on the market down the track but I wouldn't settle and go hard for a guy who projects as a best 20 key forward in the competition)

Elite key defender (James Frawley as a free agent is a real option and if Brown and Keeffe both play poorly as they have to this point this season he may well come into our plans. Sam Frost if he goes out of favour in a year or so may be an option. Otherwise there may be a guy in the draft who looks the goods. The level of priority comes down completely to the success or otherwise of Brown and Keeffe this season)

Tall, big bodied (There are guys low on other team lists who I mentioned in an earlier post. Maybe you can get one through the draft. Maybe it's a big bodied key forward with ability below the knees who can be converted into a midfield. No one specific name in mind at this point but I'm sure by seasons end that will change)

Damaging back flanker (Immediate need. Maybe it can be filled through the draft. Maybe we can find someone at the bottom of an opposition list. This could be a Siposs or Dalgleish)

Back pocket (You can get one from a state league, there seems to be one every year so that's an option. Lewis Stevenson maybe if he has a strong season and looks good enough. We need more class down back and I'd be looking for the highest level two way back pocket we can get. Hard to find but you want someone who can run, kick, beat his man 1v1 and intercept)

Linebreaking wingman - needs to be a tall combo speed/endurance athlete with damaging footskills (Doesn't have to be an immediate player but someone who can eventually take over for Lumumba and Young - a draft prospect from a mid-late round draft pick is what you'd look at either this year/next year. Jackson Allen on the Gold Coast list may be someone who could do this if looking at opposition lists along with Dalgleish)

Tall wingman (I want a Collingwood various of Richo to the wing. Westhoff is that at the moment. Maybe Jack Watts becomes that for Melbourne. It doesn't have to be this year but I expect it will with time become the norm. Maybe if James Stewart is not in GWS' plans he could be someone we get back to Collingwood if showing some signs of improvement or otherwise there may be some other super tall elite runner in teh draft somewhere)

Ruckman (Low order need. Grundy and Witts are fine going forward. I wouldn't mind seeing us going after one of the young American ruckmen who can sit on the list as category 2 rookies if there is someone with rare power/size/athleticsm)





My two targets at the moment are Mundy and Frawley as free agents if available at reasonable prices.

Mundy is a perfect list fit. Tall midfielder. Skilled. Can be a tall midfielder who rotates onto a back flank which is something we don't have at present.

Frawley you'd target if Brown and Keeffe continue to perform poorly. If they rebound and play more like how they did last year then I'd possibly reconsider but it depends on the asking price for Frawley.

If unsuccessful that's probably when I'd look to one of the other earlier identified players. But outside of Mundy or Frawley I don't see any other big names really being available at this point until a Trent McKenzie says "I want to come home" which is more something you better have an idea of at the end of a season.

 

[mike123]

Yeah, we should be developing our own crop. Oxley is very, very promising.
Arguably the best rebounding defender/back flanker in the VFL last season and has natural ball winning ability and elite(i dont use that word lightley) skills. Will only get better as he gains more kilos.

Scharenberg is up there as one of our most promising players, many hope he will be that Clement type of player, being a rebound king and being able to as a play key position backman when needed. Hard to explain my expectations on him.

And theres Langdon who has shown us what hes capable of over the last 2 months, 11 rebound 50's on debut. That is all.
All 3 of those players i hope will be best 22 and in our back 6 by the end of this year.

Seedsman on the wing is one of my Buckley requests, could be a very damaging outside player until he gains a few more kilos/muscle.

Is Sharenberg strong enough to play third tall or is strength something he'll have to work on?

Its one of my requests too, he knows where the goals are as well so I'd like him closer to them.

 

[Knightmare]

Is Sharenberg strong enough to play third tall or is strength something he'll have to work on?

Its one of my requests too, he knows where the goals are as well so I'd like him closer to them.

Not only does Scharenberg have the strength to be a 3rd tall it may even be his best role at AFL level.

He's played plenty of KPP in the u18s mostly as a key defender and has great strength and size for his age to go with guys but then also has a natural feel for when to leave his direct opponent for an intercept mark.

 

[mike123]

Not only does Scharenberg have the strength to be a 3rd tall it may even be his best role at AFL level.

He's played plenty of KPP in the u18s mostly as a key defender and has great strength and size for his age to go with guys but then also has a natural feel for when to leave his direct opponent for an intercept mark.

I'm now no longer upset about not picking up Aish. Good work Hine

 

[Reykjavik]

My contribution to the thread.

The two gettable targets I would like to go after are,

Seb Ross - Big bodied inside midfielder was pick 25 in the 2011 draft, currently at the rabble that is St Kilda.
Kristian Jaksch - Tall defender was pick 12 in the 2012 draft, was reported to be homesick a few weeks ago and would add a developing key defender to the list.

Was a lot of talk about Jaksch coming home during the last trade period. Didnt eventuate though, so I'm sceptical it will come about.

 

[Shaneprice97]

Was a lot of talk about Jaksch coming home during the last trade period. Didnt eventuate though, so I'm sceptical it will come about.

Players dont usually get traded after there first year on a list as when they are drafted they are automatically on a 2 year deal. For all we know Jaksch may have asked for a trade home but GWS didnt allow it, similar to Mitch Brown wanting to leave WCE to a victorian team, WCE didnt allow him to be traded.