List Mgmt. List management thread.

[TradeDraft]

Just basing on the way Hine recruits, and he usually loads up in a specific area which he feels we are deficient.

With extra high picks in the last few years, we have gone more best available and brought in some other high picks like Adams.

However, there have been no KPP's recruited with a first pick since Brown, Reid and Dawes. We've used first round picks to trade or recruit ruckmen, but not KPP's. We've also used free agency, trading and rookie draft to recruit some talls.

So it would seem to me this year we are due to reload our KPP stocks.

Down back we are probably well served with Frost, Keefe, Brown and Reid all relatively young. Cloke and White are still young, but there is a void for new KPF's under that. As they can take 5 years to develop, that would coincide nicely with retirements of Cloke etc. So time seems right to go for KPF's now.

Otherwise, I still think we are 1 gun midfielder away from having that perfect midfield and we will be shallow again once Ball and Swan retires. But we did recruit Adams and Freeman last year to fill this void.

Well I don't see us getting in the Top 5 so Father and Soning Moore would be a Great Idea and be a KPP

 

[loki04]

Mercuri 93, Jarman 97 & 98, Grant 99, Farmer 00, Wanganeen 04, Johnson 07, Rioli 08 and Chapman 09. Quality smalls make an impact in the big one.

Take Ballantyne as an example had he held his nerve he would have been the difference last year and likewise Milne in 2010 if the ball bounces differently.

No doubting a quality KPD would be great, but overlooking small forwards is dangerous business, IMO. The greater issue is the lack of genuine quality small forwards produced these days.

I believe there's one small forward league wide who's kicked 400+ career games in Johnson with Betts the next likely to reach that figure. Therefore it's about finding a great small forward not just drafting a small forward.

Varcoe 2011.

Aker in brisvegas 3peat. Aker started as a small fwd who rotated on ball. Chappy similar at geebung.

 

[TradeDraft]

It's a draft for KPPs so I'm expecting the same DaVe. At least in the first and possibly the second round if there is another first round quality key position player still available in the second round.

2011 was an attempt at going tall with Paine (50) and Gault (65) then Witts through the NSW program but being late picks you could never really expect much.

With the list gaps around the ground we're set up pretty well, and when you're list is in that situation and it's a draft with a relative strength in key position players that's a good time to capitalise.

So what would be some KPP in the Late 1st Round and in the 2nd Round where we could get a Extra Pick for a Player

 

[Knightmare]

So what would be some KPP in the Late 1st Round and in the 2nd Round where we could get a Extra Pick for a Player

Unclear at this stage. I'm hoping like anything someone comes from nowhere again this year like Cameron McCarthy last year through the u18 champs.

 

[pugsville]

Hmm in the gun Clarke, Mooney, Armstrong, Lynch, Hudson (R) Gault (R) Yagmoor (R) Martin (R)

IF Lynch and Hudson go do we need to look at some sort of mature shortish term option for backup Ruck?
requirements (in no particular order)
- Backup ruck
- forward crumber
- strong bodied mid
- Ruck/Forward (D Moore?)

 

[TradeDraft]

Hmm in the gun Clarke, Mooney, Armstrong, Lynch, Hudson (R) Gault (R) Yagmoor (R) Martin (R)

IF Lynch and Hudson go do we need to look at some sort of mature shortish term option for backup Ruck?
requirements (in no particular order)
- Backup ruck
- forward crumber
- strong bodied mid
- Ruck/Forward (D Moore?)

I can't see any point on Keeping Hudson and Lynch. Better getting seem Younger Mature Aged Ruck

 

[blaze036]

Hmm in the gun Clarke, Mooney, Armstrong, Lynch, Hudson (R) Gault (R) Yagmoor (R) Martin (R)

IF Lynch and Hudson go do we need to look at some sort of mature shortish term option for backup Ruck?
requirements (in no particular order)
- Backup ruck
- forward crumber
- strong bodied mid
- Ruck/Forward (D Moore?)

Maxwell will probably retire, and I think ball will seriously consider it

 

[TradeDraft]

Maxwell will probably retire, and I think ball will seriously consider it

Depends how Adams ends the Season will have a Big Saying if Ball Plays on

 

[blaze036]

Depends how Adams ends the Season will have a Big Saying if Ball Plays on

His body has copped a pounding over the years as well

 

[TradeDraft]

His body has copped a pounding over the years as well

True but IF Adams can finsh the Season Strong then Club might give him the Tap

 

[PP417]

Mercuri 93, Jarman 97 & 98, Grant 99, Farmer 00, Wanganeen 04, Johnson 07, Rioli 08 and Chapman 09. Quality smalls make an impact in the big one.

Take Ballantyne as an example had he held his nerve he would have been the difference last year and likewise Milne in 2010 if the ball bounces differently.

No doubting a quality KPD would be great, but overlooking small forwards is dangerous business, IMO. The greater issue is the lack of genuine quality small forwards produced these days.

I believe there's one small forward league wide who's kicked 400+ career games in Johnson with Betts the next likely to reach that figure. Therefore it's about finding a great small forward not just drafting a small forward.

Not one of those players were permanent small forwards with exception of farmer who did nothing in finals - all champs though!




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[Scodog10]

Not one of those players were permanent small forwards with exception of farmer who did nothing in finals - all champs though!

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I'm still unsure as to how that necessitates ignoring the role completely?

Anyone we bring in will eventually be expected to push up the ground unless they're consistently able to put up 50 goal seasons.

It's just the nature of small forwards these days.

 

[MeisterBot]

I'm still unsure as to how that necessitates ignoring the role completely?

Anyone we bring in will eventually be expected to push up the ground unless they're consistently able to put up 50 goal seasons.

It's just the nature of small forwards these days.

I think it was just the train of conversation. It morphed into small forwards, but the discussion was centered on whether Jeff Garlett would be worth bringing in because of his crumming abilities. And Jeff can't rotate into the middle.

To my mind Kennedy, Fasolo and Broomhead are more than solid small fwd/mids moving into the future. I think Broomhead and Kennedy in particular has potential as a speedy crummer who can then impact on the ball. Fasolo has tricks, but you'd like him in a hard running HFF role so you'd get his delivery into the F50 (although I'm liking him on half back at the moment for his development while we cover injuries).

You'd like someone with a bit more X-Factor I suppose, but loading up on even more smalls is a risky move since Thomas and Adams, two of our next-gen grunt mids, are already short. If anything, we're crying out for a 185-190cm bull inside mid who can play as a medium lead up forward to take over from Swanny. Freeman doesn't really have the height, but he may have the build. Marsh would be good for this, but he's still 2-3 years away.

 

[mike123]

You'd like someone with a bit more X-Factor I suppose, but loading up on even more smalls is a risky move since Thomas and Adams, two of our next-gen grunt mids, are already short. If anything, we're crying out for a 185-190cm bull inside mid who can play as a medium lead up forward to take over from Swanny. Freeman doesn't really have the height, but he may have the build. Marsh would be good for this, but he's still 2-3 years away.

I think we are crying out for speed and good ball use and crumbing ability more.

 

[Scodog10]

I think it was just the train of conversation. It morphed into small forwards, but the discussion was centered on whether Jeff Garlett would be worth bringing in because of his crumming abilities. And Jeff can't rotate into the middle.

To my mind Kennedy, Fasolo and Broomhead are more than solid small fwd/mids moving into the future. I think Broomhead and Kennedy in particular has potential as a speedy crummer who can then impact on the ball. Fasolo has tricks, but you'd like him in a hard running HFF role so you'd get his delivery into the F50 (although I'm liking him on half back at the moment for his development while we cover injuries).

You'd like someone with a bit more X-Factor I suppose, but loading up on even more smalls is a risky move since Thomas and Adams, two of our next-gen grunt mids, are already short. If anything, we're crying out for a 185-190cm bull inside mid who can play as a medium lead up forward to take over from Swanny. Freeman doesn't really have the height, but he may have the build. Marsh would be good for this, but he's still 2-3 years away.

The question for mine is then which Garlett are you bringing across?

The 2010-2013 version that kicked 159 goals in 88 games or the 2014 version that looks like he's tuned out ala Daisy in 2013?

If we're confident he can be the 2010-2013 player you bring him in whether he can play up the field or not because he's a 40-50 goal a season player in a top 4 team. The negativity towards him has been harsh of late that role more than any other is heavily reliant on opportunity of which there is a seriously lack of in the Carlton forward half this year.

Therefore I tend to think he'd be a good get at the right price. Regardless of his ability to play up the ground.

 

[blaze036]

23 years and under (Pendlebury Beams the exceptions)

Backs
Williams Frost Scharenberg
Langdon Keeffe Seedsman

Mids
Grundy Pendlebury Beams
Thomas Sidebottom Adams

Forwards
Freeman Marsh Elliott
Karnezis Moore Fasolo

Interchange
Oxley Broomhead Witts Kennedy/Sinclair

Keeffe is 24.

 

[PP417]

And a controversial post" Should the jury be out on Goldsack and Brown also" they can both play and perform roles "ok", but will they take us to where we want to be?.?. Ie matching it with the hawks? And Dockers for that matter?



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[Shaneprice97]

And a controversial post" Should the jury be out on Goldsack and Brown also" they can both play and perform roles "ok", but will they take us to where we want to be?.?. Ie matching it with the hawks? And Dockers for that matter?



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I remember last time we vs'd Hawthorn Brown gave Roughead a serious towling.
If Zac Dawson and Ryan Scheonmakers are best 22 in grand final sides, Brown is comfortably, Brown was also in the best 5 in both of our Grandfinals, he was one of the few that showed up both weeks.

 

[PP417]

I remember last time we vs'd Hawthorn Brown gave Roughead a serious towling.
If Zac Dawson and Ryan Scheonmakers are best 22 in grand final sides, Brown is comfortably, Brown was also in the best 5 in both of our Grandfinals, he was one of the few that showed up both weeks.

Yes good point , Brown was good in the GFs-but serviceable since, I am liking the look of young "Frost" he has some speed about him.


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[BringbackHarry]

Yes good point , Brown was good in the GFs-but serviceable since, I am liking the look of young "Frost" he has some speed about him.

That's not true, Brown is regularly the premier Goal Square Gorilla shut down specialist, he never gets high possessions so the Supercoach crowd think he is bombing when in fact he's just Prestying the best forwards in the land

 

[kelvarnsen]

EXPERIENCED West Coast midfielder Matt Rosa has admitted returning to Victoria is something to consider as he puts aside contract talks until later in the year.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-23/rosas-free-agency-lure

 

[blaze036]

Not sure a vanilla 28 year old is what we would be after

 

[kelvarnsen]

Vanilla?

Rosa gathered 37 touches against Collingwood in round 22 last year.

 

[Seedsfan]

Try and get Danger and bank Moore

 

[blaze036]

Vanilla?

Rosa gathered 37 touches against Collingwood in round 22 last year.

Oh well then guess he is a superstar