List Mgmt. List management thread.

[Starcevich90]

We have the Cash, we had the cash to match Thomas's offer.

Lynch retiring frees up another $250-300K.

And i would def entertain Garlett. He can go missing but he is a genuine talent when on song. Could work well in our forward line.

Unfortunately I think Hawks are in box seat for Frawley ... Yes we have some cash but they have more with Buddy gone, and I know where I'd rather be going if I was chasing success like Chip.

 

[TradeDraft]

Unfortunately I think Hawks are in box seat for Frawley ... Yes we have some cash but they have more with Buddy gone, and I know where I'd rather be going if I was chasing success like Chip.

and why would we chase Frawley as he has the Same Problem as everyone else. Poor Kick and Descion Maker

 

[soreplums]

Unfortunately I think Hawks are in box seat for Frawley ... Yes we have some cash but they have more with Buddy gone, and I know where I'd rather be going if I was chasing success like Chip.

Word around the circles from about 6-8 weeks ago is that Geelong are the front runners and is the most likely destination should he decide to leave

 

[Unknown Identity]

and why would we chase Frawley as he has the Same Problem as everyone else. Poor Kick and Descion Maker

His kicking efficiency is 73.3%, better than Fasolo's...
Its a urban legend about his poor disposal.

He conceded 25 goals in 17 games last year. They are elite numbers for key defender. Especially given that they were getting pumped by 70 points a game last season.

 

[TradeDraft]

His kicking efficiency is 73.3%, better than Fasolo's...
Its a urban legend about his poor disposal.

He conceded 25 goals in 17 games last year. They are elite numbers for key defender. Especially given that they were getting pumped by 70 points a game last season.

So Garry Lyon is a Idiot and Knows nothing?

He had a Pretty Good Example of his Problem few weeks ago.

So Let’s offer him 850k a Year then

 

[Unknown Identity]

So Garry Lyon is a Idiot and Knows nothing?

He had a Pretty Good Example of his Problem few weeks ago.

So Let’s offer him 850k a Year then

Well Gary Lyon is the same person that spearheaded selecting Mark Neeld as coach and you don't think he wants Frawley to remain a demon..?

Not defending his poor decision making, he does have the odd brain fade, but his defensive numbers are elite which is why he was selected as All Australian in 2010 and as i've already shown you, his effective disposal % is 73.3. I'd take the actual stat that's recorded and is fact versus somebody saying he has poor disposal. It just simply isn't true.

 

[SpongePie]

Is Saad available next year? He might be a better choice than Garlett?

 

[POKsPies252]

My Perfect (and realistic) trade/FA/Draft period

(Assuming we finish 8th)

Delist/Retire:
Clarke
Lynch
Armstrong
Ramsay (re rookie)
Yagmoor (Rookie)
Mooney (Rookie)

FA:
Frawley

Trade:
Jarryd Blair + Ben Sinclair to Melbourne for 2nd rounder (23-24) + 3rd rounder (41-42)
Melb 2nd Rounder (23-24) + 2nd rounder (31-32) + 3rd Rounder (41-42) to GWS for Jono O'Rourke + Jonathon Giles
Nathan Brown to Geelong for pick 14
Heritier Lumumba + Geelong pick 14 + 3rd Round pick (48-49) to Carlton for pick 7 + Jeff Garlett

Out:
Ben Sinclair
Jarryd Blair
Nathan Brown
Heritier Lumumba
2nd Round Pick
3rd Round Pick

In:
Jono O'Rourke
Jonathon Giles
Jeff Garlett
Pick 7

Draft:
Pick 7 - Jarrod Pickett
Pick 11 - Darcy Moore
Jack Frost (Rookie Promotion)
Kyle Martin (Rookie Promotion)
Darcy Cameron (rookie)
Key Back (Rookie)

Collingwood Senior List (Total 39 players)

Key Def: Lachie Keeffe, Jack Frost, James Frawley
Medium Def: Nick Maxwell, Alan Toovey, Matt Scharenberg, Paul Seedsman, Tom Langdon, Adam Oxley
Small Def: Marley Williams

Mids: Brent Macaffer, Scott Pendlebury, Luke Ball, Taylor Adams, Clinton Young, Dayne Beams, Steele Sidebottom, Josh Thomas, Tim Broomhead, Dane Swan, Nathan Freeman, Kyle Martin, Jono O'Rourke, Jarrod Pickett

Rucks: Brodie Grundy, Jarrod Witts, Jonathon Giles

Key Fwd: Jessie White, Travis Cloke
Medium Fwd: Jamie Elliott, Patrick Karnezis
Small Fwd: Sam Dwyer, Ben Kennedy, Jeff Garlett

Utilities: Alex Fasolo, Tyson Goldsack, Ben Reid, Jonathon Marsh, Darcy Moore

Rookie list:
Jackson Ramsay
Corey Gault
Darcy Cameron
Ben Hudson
Key back
Mason Cox (International)

Best 22 2015

B: Williams Frost Langdon
HB: Scharenberg Frawley Seedsman
C: Broomhead Adams Sidebottom
HF: Elliott Cloke Karnezis
FF: Kennedy Reid Garlett
R: Witts Pendlebury Beams
I/C: Swan Giles Macaffer Goldsack

Reserves:
B: Toovey Keeffe Oxley
HB: Ramsay Marsh Maxwell
C: O'Rourke Thomas Young
HF: Dwyer White Freeman
FF: Fasolo Gault Moore
R: Grundy Ball Martin
I/C: Cox Cameron Pickett Key Back

 

[Scodog10]

That isn't realistic in the slightest POKsPies252 we are bending teams over in at least 3 of those deals!!

 

[POKsPies252]

That isn't realistic in the slightest POKsPies252 we are bending teams over in at least 3 of those deals!!

Yeah you're right... Was fun while it lasted

 

[Starcevich90]

My Perfect (and realistic) trade/FA/Draft period

(Assuming we finish 8th)

Delist/Retire:
Clarke
Lynch
Armstrong
Ramsay (re rookie)
Yagmoor (Rookie)
Mooney (Rookie)

FA:
Frawley

Trade:
Jarryd Blair + Ben Sinclair to Melbourne for 2nd rounder (23-24) + 3rd rounder (41-42)
Melb 2nd Rounder (23-24) + 2nd rounder (31-32) + 3rd Rounder (41-42) to GWS for Jono O'Rourke + Jonathon Giles
Nathan Brown to Geelong for pick 14
Heritier Lumumba + Geelong pick 14 + 3rd Round pick (48-49) to Carlton for pick 7 + Jeff Garlett

Out:
Ben Sinclair
Jarryd Blair
Nathan Brown
Heritier Lumumba
2nd Round Pick
3rd Round Pick

In:
Jono O'Rourke
Jonathon Giles
Jeff Garlett
Pick 7

Draft:
Pick 7 - Jarrod Pickett
Pick 11 - Darcy Moore
Jack Frost (Rookie Promotion)
Kyle Martin (Rookie Promotion)
Darcy Cameron (rookie)
Key Back (Rookie)

Collingwood Senior List (Total 39 players)

Key Def: Lachie Keeffe, Jack Frost, James Frawley
Medium Def: Nick Maxwell, Alan Toovey, Matt Scharenberg, Paul Seedsman, Tom Langdon, Adam Oxley
Small Def: Marley Williams

Mids: Brent Macaffer, Scott Pendlebury, Luke Ball, Taylor Adams, Clinton Young, Dayne Beams, Steele Sidebottom, Josh Thomas, Tim Broomhead, Dane Swan, Nathan Freeman, Kyle Martin, Jono O'Rourke, Jarrod Pickett

Rucks: Brodie Grundy, Jarrod Witts, Jonathon Giles

Key Fwd: Jessie White, Travis Cloke
Medium Fwd: Jamie Elliott, Patrick Karnezis
Small Fwd: Sam Dwyer, Ben Kennedy, Jeff Garlett

Utilities: Alex Fasolo, Tyson Goldsack, Ben Reid, Jonathon Marsh, Darcy Moore

Rookie list:
Jackson Ramsay
Corey Gault
Darcy Cameron
Ben Hudson
Key back
Mason Cox (International)

Best 22 2015

B: Williams Frost Langdon
HB: Scharenberg Frawley Seedsman
C: Broomhead Adams Sidebottom
HF: Elliott Cloke Karnezis
FF: Kennedy Reid Garlett
R: Witts Pendlebury Beams
I/C: Swan Giles Macaffer Goldsack

Reserves:
B: Toovey Keeffe Oxley
HB: Ramsay Marsh Maxwell
C: O'Rourke Thomas Young
HF: Dwyer White Freeman
FF: Fasolo Gault Moore
R: Grundy Ball Martin
I/C: Cox Cameron Pickett Key Back

Wow....that's SERIOUSLY impressive! Love your work, Derek?

 

[TradeDraft]

Video of Sam Durdin:

 

[well left]

Frawley would be a nice to have but can't see it happening.

I'd be tempted to go after Carlisle as others have mentioned and promise him we would play him back. With Carlisle and Frost back with Brown as support and Reid forward we could then offer Keeffe as trade bait, potentially to a QLD side or Melbourne if Frawley does leave. I'd also be looking at Fitzpatrick from the Dees to play that third forward/second ruck role. Could be a straight swap.

 

[TradeDraft]

Frawley would be a nice to have but can't see it happening.

I'd be tempted to go after Carlisle as others have mentioned and promise him we would play him back. With Carlisle and Frost back with Brown as support and Reid forward we could then offer Keeffe as trade bait, potentially to a QLD side or Melbourne if Frawley does leave. I'd also be looking at Fitzpatrick from the Dees to play that third forward/second ruck role. Could be a straight swap.

Fitzpartick would be a Interesting Prospect. Would look at him on the Cheap

 

[Lefthanded]

Frawley would be a nice to have but can't see it happening.

I'd be tempted to go after Carlisle as others have mentioned and promise him we would play him back. With Carlisle and Frost back with Brown as support and Reid forward we could then offer Keeffe as trade bait, potentially to a QLD side or Melbourne if Frawley does leave. I'd also be looking at Fitzpatrick from the Dees to play that third forward/second ruck role. Could be a straight swap.

Curious as to your thought process, you can't see Frawley happening when he's UFA so no trade required yet make it sound easy to get Carlisle who Essendon would not let go easily on top of having to convince Carlisle to make the move. No mention of what you'd be willing to give up to the Dons. Without knowing much about Fitzpatrick he could be an interesting prospect but perhaps a little green for our requirements and probably a better fit at Melbourne with a longer term view.

 

[SApies]

Looking forward to seeing Cam Mcarthey playing for GWS, if they were to let 1 KPF I think it'd be him.
Can't see them trading Patton, Cameron or Boyd.

 

[well left]

Curious as to your thought process, you can't see Frawley happening when he's UFA so no trade required yet make it sound easy to get Carlisle who Essendon would not let go easily on top of having to convince Carlisle to make the move. No mention of what you'd be willing to give up to the Dons. Without knowing much about Fitzpatrick he could be an interesting prospect but perhaps a little green for our requirements and probably a better fit at Melbourne with a longer term view.

Never said it would be easy to get Carlisle.

I just think with Frawley we won't match the cash he will be offered and if he doesn't leave for cash it will be success and hawthorn probably trumps us there.

As for the trade I wasn't sure what his value would be. I'd love to think a 2nd round would get it done but not sure it would. He's definitely not worth a 1st round.

 

[Lefthanded]

Never said it would be easy to get Carlisle.

I just think with Frawley we won't match the cash he will be offered and if he doesn't leave for cash it will be success and hawthorn probably trumps us there.

As for the trade I wasn't sure what his value would be. I'd love to think a 2nd round would get it done but not sure it would. He's definitely not worth a 1st round.

If cash is all he's after I think he will stay at Demons as they should have enough to keep quality players esp with likes of Clark retiring (although I'm not sure how his contract payout took place or would be accounted for).

As for success it's easy to say Hawks the most attractive but if you look at their list they have Lake, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Gibson, Hale & Hodge all 30+, that's a massive amount of talent and experience to replace to stay at the top of the tree. They wouldn't be my first pick if I was Frawley based on that alone as injuries mean no team is a certainty next year so he should have a two plus year view to get success, throw in other factors like part of Frawley value is as a swingman and Hawks don't really need to add anything to their forward line.

Freo probably just as attractive from success point of view and have McPharlin & Pavlich to replace + some other vets.
Swans 6 30+, Cats 5 but only 1 key pos

Port or Suns provide better multiple options for success in Frawley window but would Suns want / need him and does Frawley want to go interstate?
In Vic I'd think it would be between us and Cats.

 

[SchuPie]

At the end of next year, offer 1st round + JT to Brions for Aish - come to Melbs and play with all your SA buddies (Shaz/Broomy/Kenno +Grundy)

 

[Jasper84]

At the end of next year, offer 1st round + JT to Brions for Aish - come to Melbs and play with all your SA buddies (Shaz/Broomy/Kenno +Grundy)

Why would Brisbane trade the likely rising star and future key to their midfield after such a short time? Though I am getting a bit of deja vu.....

 

[SchuPie]

Why would Brisbane trade the likely rising star and future key to their midfield after such a short time? Though I am getting a bit of deja vu.....

Thinking they won't. It's just a scenario that I'd be posing to Aish's management if he wants to leave...rather than "go home" to Adelaide, come play for a big Melb club w a lot of your mates (hoping that has some appeal - but again, it's not a trade to initiate with Brions but rather if Aish states a desire to leave).
I still think we're paying unders but at least they get more than a 2nd rounder like they did last year...

(I love Mayes too...but think he has already extended his contract)

 

[well left]

If cash is all he's after I think he will stay at Demons as they should have enough to keep quality players esp with likes of Clark retiring (although I'm not sure how his contract payout took place or would be accounted for).

As for success it's easy to say Hawks the most attractive but if you look at their list they have Lake, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Sewell, Gibson, Hale & Hodge all 30+, that's a massive amount of talent and experience to replace to stay at the top of the tree. They wouldn't be my first pick if I was Frawley based on that alone as injuries mean no team is a certainty next year so he should have a two plus year view to get success, throw in other factors like part of Frawley value is as a swingman and Hawks don't really need to add anything to their forward line.

Freo probably just as attractive from success point of view and have McPharlin & Pavlich to replace + some other vets.
Swans 6 30+, Cats 5 but only 1 key pos

Port or Suns provide better multiple options for success in Frawley window but would Suns want / need him and does Frawley want to go interstate?
In Vic I'd think it would be between us and Cats.

Fair points. As I said Frawley would be a nice to have and if you can bring someone in without giving up a player you do it.

If we could grab him I think it frees us up to look at a trade for Keeffe. There will be clubs inquiring, especially if Frawley signs. Hawthorn, Bulldogs and Brisbane you would think would show some interest.

With a heap of 1st round draft picks coming through in Scharenberg, Freeman, Broomhead and Kennedy as well as Langdon impressing it does give us options to look at those 22-24 year olds on our list who might get surpassed by the kids and might have value now. Specifically here I am thinking about Blair and Josh Thomas. Clubs like St Kilda, Melbourne and Brisbane have missed some in that age bracket due to poor drafting (St Kilda) and go home factor (Brisbane). Melbourne might see Blair as an upgrade on Shannon Byrnes and provide some leadership.

They may be looking to fill that gap and be prepared to throw up 2nd round picks to add players like that to their squad. St Kilda did it last year with Savage from Hawthorn.

Blair, Thomas and Keeffe are all solid players who can expect to have good careers but right now they may be the currency that nabs us a Fitzpatrick from Melbourne, a Campbell from the dogs or a pick that could be used elsewhere to nab a speedy type with footskills out of GWS or the Suns.

 

[TradeDraft]

Next Year we could have a Very Early 1st round Pick

 

[Unknown Identity]

For the love of god.. Draft requirements

Elite Disposal
Pace
185cm +

 

[soreplums]

Can see us having 12-14 players off our senior list through delisting/retirements over the next couple of years. Big turnover