List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Gtowncrow]

I think he'll end up at the "reformed" boys home of the Cats personally.

That's where he'd like to go.

But...

With Balme, Burgess and Neal-Bullen here now, I think we have three of the best four parts of Melbourne FC* able to understand and build him up again. At the very least, we should be in a prime position to make the decision one way or the other. Our internal culture seems excellent too and I think he'd love the fresh start in a highly motivated environment.

*Gawn is the fourth good part of Melbourne culturally. IMO.

 

[Gtowncrow]

If Brisbane get Draper we should try for Henry Smith, as that puts him down the pecking order for many years. We can offer him the number one ruck spot with a fading ROB, which might be better than waiting for Draper to retire.
Shouldn't cost us much more than a second round pick.

I don't know enough about Smith to add much. But it's precisely the right thinking.

 

[Cromulant]

That's where he'd like to go.

But...

With Balme, Burgess and Neal-Bullen here now, I think we have three of the best four parts of Melbourne FC* able to understand and build him up again. At the very least, we should be in a prime position to make the decision one way or the other. Our internal culture seems excellent too and I think he'd love the fresh start in a highly motivated environment.

*Gawn is the fourth good part of Melbourne culturally. IMO.

Balme hasn't been at Melbourne in nearly 30 years, and they weren't good when he was there.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Balme hasn't been at Melbourne in nearly 30 years, and they weren't good when he was there.

Yep.
My bad.
Confused with Richmond.

Thanks for the correction

 

[WeeBlake]

ROB is a better player than Draper even when ROB is out of form and Draper is in peak form

You have a short memory

 

[NSolis]

Yep

Paying Draper 900k for 4 years or RoB 700k for 3 years seems like a no-brainer

Both may well coast but at least one is coasting cheaper

Also ROB can ruck all day meaning that Thilthorpe or whoever else needs to spend minimal time in there. A significant tiebreaking factor if they were around even in other areas.

 

[Mutineer]

You have a short memory

Draper 7 Brownlow votes from 78 games

Reilly O'Brien 19 votes from 138 games.

Reilly O'Brien and Sam Draper AFL Stats Comparison

Reilly O'Brien and Sam Draper AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[WeeBlake]

Draper 7 Brownlow votes from 78 games

Reilly O'Brien 19 votes from 138 games.

Reilly O'Brien and Sam Draper AFL Stats Comparison

Reilly O'Brien and Sam Draper AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

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Are you trying to make my point for me? ROB has been very bad at various times over the last few years. Last we dropped him for a half-baked Strachan. He had the best game of his career last week, but tge suggestion that his worst is better than Draper’s best is laughable.

 

[Mutineer]

Are you trying to make my point for me? ROB has been very bad at various times over the last few years. Last we dropped him for a half-baked Strachan. He had the best game of his career last week, but tge suggestion that his worst is better than Draper’s best is laughable.

Maybe that suggestion was over the top but looking at the comparison ROB has him pretty well covered and ROB isn't coming off a serious injury either. Age is the only factor really that Draper has over ROB at this point, now I don't know how well Draper trains and prepares but ROB by all reports is fastidious on both counts.

 

[Coopers]

Current problem is that Port don’t even look like being able to put 2 firsts together.

Surely same city is close enough for NWM?

What would Fritsch cost?

Sensible ideas please, not "future third with steak knives".

He's not that young and he's good without being great.

We've got a lot of these "probably gonna be a decent player but we aren't giving them games" guys. Maybe one of them.
Sholl probably isn't enough. They'd want one of the top ones - Edwards, Ryan, Cook. I wouldn't do that though, we still need those guys to improve to raise our team up further.

Maybe someone like Sholl or Dowling + 2nd round pick. Not sure why we won't play Dowling. He'd be keen for opportunity.

 

[WeeBlake]

Maybe that suggestion was over the top but looking at the comparison ROB has him pretty well covered and ROB isn't coming off a serious injury either. Age is the only factor really that Draper has over ROB at this point, now I don't know how well Draper trains and prepares but ROB by all reports is fastidious on both counts.

Yeah look honestly I’m in the keep ROB instead of Draper camp too. Achilles is no joke, esp for a ruck.

 

[1970crow]

Surely same city is close enough for NWM?


He's not that young and he's good without being great.

We've got a lot of these "probably gonna be a decent player but we aren't giving them games" guys. Maybe one of them.
Sholl probably isn't enough. They'd want one of the top ones - Edwards, Ryan, Cook. I wouldn't do that though, we still need those guys to improve to raise our team up further.

Maybe someone like Sholl or Dowling + 2nd round pick. Not sure why we won't play Dowling. He'd be keen for opportunity.

Do you remember when Tim Kelly just 'had to get back to WA' because of his family issues? But, guess what, even though Freo offerred a path there, he ended up spending another year in Geelong.

I think it's fair to totally eliminate any non-commercial reason for players wanting to move. We can agree that it forms a part of a decision, but it's never the only decision. Had Tim Kelly actually needed to get back to WA, a trade would have been done. No different to NWM this year, he might 'want' to come home, but it's not that important that he'd come to us. So that deletes the initial reason, him needing to come home is garbage.

 

[1970crow]

Maybe that suggestion was over the top but looking at the comparison ROB has him pretty well covered and ROB isn't coming off a serious injury either. Age is the only factor really that Draper has over ROB at this point, now I don't know how well Draper trains and prepares but ROB by all reports is fastidious on both counts.

How do you explain the variance in ROB's output during a contract and in the last year of a contract? Actually, do you even realise that contract year uplifts actually matter? Sometimes you come across as about the dumbest person on our board, because you seem to cease understanding at 19 years old.

 

[Crow till I die]

All I know is that this thread is depressing the shit out of me talking about us as a club making a play for Draper, a bog average ruck that's now coming off an Achilles injury which may curtail his one strength and that was athleticism. Better to just stick with ROB and move on as a club and avoid a very expensive mistake

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Not really crows related but there was some talk about us getting Leek Aleer

This is an insane offer by st Kilda

4 years ago, 750k each

 

[rabidcrow]

I dont really follow this closely enough, but I thought Port couldn't trade out another future first pick (like, they are prevented by AFL rules from doing it?). In which case, and absent some deal for Butters, if you are St Kilda why would you agree to pick 26 (which is what they have currently right) in a very shallow draft...you might as well throw him to the open draft because you arent getting anything worthwhile back. It also helps a rival at the same level as you (at least this year anyway)...

You can trade two years ahead now - not sure how that impacts the rules around using 2 firsts though every 4 years

 

[rabidcrow]

Are you trying to make my point for me? ROB has been very bad at various times over the last few years. Last we dropped him for a half-baked Strachan. He had the best game of his career last week, but tge suggestion that his worst is better than Draper’s best is laughable.

Draper isn’t very good. A little better than ROB in athleticism for sure - but he isn’t an upgrade

 

[Amacca 23]

Draper isn’t very good. A little better than ROB in athleticism for sure - but he isn’t an upgrade

Id rather Henry Smith he will want out of Brisbane and is only 22 and be a lot cheaper and keep oriented

 

[Amacca 23]

Id rather Henry Smith he will want out of Brisbane and is only 22 and be a lot cheaper and keep obrien

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Not really crows related but there was some talk about us getting Leek Aleer

This is an insane offer by st Kilda

4 years ago, 750k each

That’s ridiculous money

I see Bobby Hill in that clip there too , “personal reasons “ 4 weeks .. his own inability to zip it might cost him a crack at another flag

 

[hippyhippy]

That’s ridiculous money

I see Bobby Hill in that clip there too , “personal reasons “ 4 weeks .. his own inability to zip it might cost him a crack at another flag

I don't think it's that crazy for leek ... he's a kpd ... what was crazy was Essendon paying like 900k for mckay who was shit his entire career and even more shit since moving. Leek had shown more already. Actually this comparison is similar to the obrien and draper discussion. Draper at 900k is way overs. Ridiculous is we are even considering that. He's not a good fit for our profile. We need a pure ruck and draper is not it.

 

[FR0GGY]

Strange isn't it that the successful Premiership team and again serious contenders the Brisbane Lions and highly competent list manager Dom Ambrogio rate ROB way more than some Adelaide supporters.

Aren’t they also chasing Draper which the crows supporters also don’t rate?

 

[Gtowncrow]

Yeah look honestly I’m in the keep ROB instead of Draper camp too. Achilles is no joke, esp for a ruck.

Me too.
Agree on the injury risk.

Plus he dived at that stoppage. Everyone in the world saw it except for the Essendon districts football league umpire. True story. Umpire #25

The Draper dive whilst boasting with his team mates afterwards will not be forgotten by many, many in Adelaide. Appears a bit of a tosser actually. Pass!

 

[Mostyn]

How do you explain the variance in ROB's output during a contract and in the last year of a contract? Actually, do you even realise that contract year uplifts actually matter? Sometimes you come across as about the dumbest person on our board, because you seem to cease understanding at 19 years old.

Ridiculous insult. The most smooth brained opinion ever offered is "it's a contract year, so now he's trying".

ROB has gone through periods of carrying injury, of being surrounded by a mediocre midfield, of loss of confidence.

If we re-sign him, we have to assume he'll have periods where he reverts to the mean and drops some marks, because frankly skills aren't really his thing.

He WILL be extraordinarily well prepared, he'll do exactly what's asked by the coaches and teammates and he'll absolutely play his role. Frankly, that's probably enough, compared to the high risk version of Draper

 

[Mostyn]

Id rather Henry Smith he will want out of Brisbane and is only 22 and be a lot cheaper and keep oriented

Keep ROB and grab someone like a Smith, Goad or Dodson with a F2 would be my preference.