List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Soggy2112]

I think the messaging was all over the shop.

Oliver was mooted a long way out. Whether I agree he would have been the right fit the message seemed to be 'one short '

Our swivel to Petracca confirmed that.

Our interest in Steele etc also felt the club recognised we were one short

Only to fall back on organic growth

That provides its own issues with Nicks clearly not a farmer

I think the honest answer is they looked at the options they liked and realised they were gonna cost too much.

If we’re in to Bailey we don’t want to spend all our cash and picks too early.

It means we probably will struggle again in finals, but if we’re planning for the long haul then we can’t afford to do another Gibbs trade.

Obviously though that line doesn’t really sell well so “organic growth” it is.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I think the honest answer is they looked at the options they liked and realised they were gonna cost too much.

If we’re in to Bailey we don’t want to spend all our cash and picks too early.

It means we probably will struggle again in finals, but if we’re planning for the long haul then we can’t afford to do another Gibbs trade.

Obviously though that line doesn’t really sell well so “organic growth” it is.

I’d hope we aren’t putting all our eggs in the Bailey basket, though

I’d also hope that the reason we couldn’t get any of the cheap stopgap options that are currently better than Berry, was that they didn’t want to come to SA

 

[Mutineer]

Will take a little while for any player we draft to be ready, hell our pick 21 from two years ago hasn’t even played a game yet

Fred Rodriguez is way way more ready for AFL than Charlie Edwards in year's one and two and that also applies to Sid Draper IMO, other than Sid's speed Rodriguez is more well rounded skills and footy I.Q. wise IMO.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Fred Rodriguez is way way more ready for AFL than Charlie Edwards in year's one and two and that also applies to Sid Draper IMO, other than Sid's speed Rodriguez is more well rounded skills and footy I.Q. wise IMO.

I’m not quite as high as you on Rodriguez, agree he could definitely impact year 1, but I don’t see any super standout gamebreaking traits to his game. Maybe his dual-sidedness? No rate of improvement takes him down a bit, as well

I like Onley as a talent better given the height/athleticism combo, would be content with him at our first

 

[Velvet George]

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/adelaide-crows-list-boss-justin-reid-on-failed-callum-ah-chee-trade-2026-free-agents-and-the-draft/news-story/7513a37e24541586e614ca028b68d7f8

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl

Adelaide list boss Justin Reid says it was important that the Crows kept its first round picks for the next three years to be flexible in this draft and going forward with some “tempting” players out of contract at the end of next year.
The stalemate between the Crows and Brisbane over dual-premiership player Callum Ah Chee could not be broken on the trade period deadline on Wednesday night.
The Lions wanted a first-round pick from the Crows, while Adelaide offered a future second and third round pick for the 28-year-old.
But with no resolution the Crows will walk Ah Chee to the pre-season draft.
Reid told The Advertiser it was disappointing but it wasn’t a surprising result.

“We are certainly disappointed,” he said.

“For Cal and his family that we couldn’t work through something with Brisbane but we will stay committed to each other.

“But I guess on the back of that we have our first round picks in 2025, 2026 and 2027, which will give us some flexibility in this draft period.

“Unfortunately it means we need to go the long route with Cal but that means we hold our round one draft position which we were firm on.

“Certainly not surprised (that it played out the way it did), but not one that you would think with a 28-year-old that is out of contract that should get to this.”

Their search for an A-Grade midfielder this trade period​

“We had a lot of looks, a lot of conversations,” he said.

“We were pretty deliberate in what we wanted to do so we are not going to sell the farm.

“We think there is a lot of organic growth on the list itself.

“Late in the year with what Izak (Rankine) went through (his suspension) and Josh Rachele being injured we think they are two players who can add a lot through the midfield.

“Sid Draper having another pre-season and Dan Curtin we think can go back through the midfield so we think there are some players on the list that have some real upside so we want to continue to expose the list, that is very deliberate.

“But we are not shying away from if there was someone there that we really wanted to get in we would certainly look at that and we will continue to do that going forward but it has to line up..

“And if it didn’t line up we wouldn’t just trade for the sake of trading.”

Has he forgot who our coach is?

 

[crow2crow]

If we have strong interest in him, then we might be looking at trading down as he is likely to be in the 2nd / 3rd round so maybe we drop 3 or 4 spots and grab a 2nd and take a back end 1st round player and Curtin.

I can see this happening tbh

 

[crow2crow]

I’d hope we aren’t putting all our eggs in the Bailey basket, though

I’d also hope that the reason we couldn’t get any of the cheap stopgap options that are currently better than Berry, was that they didn’t want to come to SA

No its just that we didnt have the draft capital GC had and quite rightly would not give up an A grader

 

[crow2crow]

Our average age must be about to drop to the bottom of the ladder again surely.

Gone:
Crouch 30
Smith 33
Burgess 29
Strachan 30
Murphy 26
Schoenberg 24
Gallagher 23

Replaced with:
In no particular order
Ah Chee 28
Cotton 18
Maley 22
xxx 18
xxx 18
xxx 18
xxx 18

This is actually a pretty big cleanout in one year. Much of it should have happened last year of course.

 

[cmndstab]

Our average age must be about to drop to the bottom of the ladder again surely.

Gone:
Crouch 30
Smith 33
Burgess 29
Strachan 30
Murphy 26
Schoenberg 24
Gallagher 23

Replaced with:
In no particular order
Ah Chee 28
Cotton 18
Maley 22
xxx 18
xxx 18
xxx 18
xxx 18

This is actually a pretty big cleanout in one year. Much of it should have happened last year of course.

On your sums there, we lose 55 years, but also our entire squad ages up a year. So there is little difference in the end. Maybe around 0.3 years younger on average. Based on this year's numbers that would only move us down a couple of spots.

The average age of our starting 22 each week will likely increase next year.

 

[crow2crow]

Fred Rodriguez is way way more ready for AFL than Charlie Edwards in year's one and two and that also applies to Sid Draper IMO, other than Sid's speed Rodriguez is more well rounded skills and footy I.Q. wise IMO.

just had a look at his video as i not followed u18s at all now. i lost interest after my son was too old. anyway i like the look of fred a lot. exactly what we need. why is he projected to fall so low?

 

[GreyCrow]

Fred Rodriguez is way way more ready for AFL than Charlie Edwards in year's one and two and that also applies to Sid Draper IMO, other than Sid's speed Rodriguez is more well rounded skills and footy I.Q. wise IMO.

I see a standard U/18 no pressure ball gatherer. ( I want to see how he handles real pressure)

Outside player , mostly left sided but good on both - good delivery and good awareness

No great knocks but I didnt see any more burst from stoppage than Sid had - and there were times I thought Sid clone

I reckon he ends up a back flanker with good delivery

 

[crow2crow]

I see a standard U/18 no pressure ball gatherer. ( I want to see how he handles real pressure)

Outside player , mostly left sided but good on both - good delivery and good awareness

No great knocks but I didnt see any more burst from stoppage than Sid had - and there were times I thought Sid clone

I reckon he ends up a back flanker with good delivery

he reminds me much more of pedlar at 17 than draper but i not seen him play just from watching some videos now

not for HB for me. i like the look of him but i not been following the draft this year at all so i dont have strong opinion

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Fred Rodriguez is way way more ready for AFL than Charlie Edwards in year's one and two and that also applies to Sid Draper IMO, other than Sid's speed Rodriguez is more well rounded skills and footy I.Q. wise IMO.

Maybe ....but we're not drafting players to play year 1 .....we're trying to project 3-4 years down the track, as to who the best "finished" player will be

Personality, and drive to improve, are equally important with kids at this age .....and the hardest to forecast

 

[WaynesWorld19]

On your sums there, we lose 55 years, but also our entire squad ages up a year. So there is little difference in the end. Maybe around 0.3 years younger on average. Based on this year's numbers that would only move us down a couple of spots.

The average age of our starting 22 each week will likely increase next year.

 

[crow2crow]

Maybe ....but we're not drafting players to play year 1 .....we're trying to project 3-4 years down the track, as to who the best "finished" player will be

Personality, and drive to improve, are equally important with kids at this age .....and the hardest to forecast

if we can pluck someone ready for year 1 we do it. berry is completely inept and there is definitely a spot for draper and one more.

 

[Cromulant]

On your sums there, we lose 55 years, but also our entire squad ages up a year. So there is little difference in the end. Maybe around 0.3 years younger on average. Based on this year's numbers that would only move us down a couple of spots.

The average age of our starting 22 each week will likely increase next year.

I think people get way too hung up on average age of the 22. There's not much between 18th and 1st really.

To me its all about how old your best half dozen to 10 are.

We'd sit reasonably pretty in that regard i would think.

 

[Big Dub]

EDIT: Replacing with actual ages (using the age they turn in 2028), message stays the same:

I don't think drafting is going to fix our inside mid problem.

Anyone we draft will not be making a significant impact on the inside in their first 2 years. By 2028:

• Draper will be 22 and about to enter his prime
• Curtin will be 23 and entering his prime
• Soligo (25), Rachele (25) and Billy Dowling (24) will be at their peak
• Rankine and Peatling will be 28 and still in their prime

Charlie Edwards (mid taken with pick 21 in 2023) will be 2 years ahead of this year's top draftee. Sam Berry (mid taken with pick 28 in 2020) might still be ahead of most of our 2025 draftees (but will hopefully be our 10th best option).

Relying on this year's draftees will also mean we haven't fixed our inside mid problem for 2027, putting our window back another year.

On the other hand, on our flanks and wings:

• Laird will be 35 in 2028
• ANB will be 32
• Keays and Milera will be 31
• Ah Chee will be 31
• Hinge and Cumming will be 30

Dawson will be 31, but I suspect still pretty decent in a (tall) Zorko role. But the rest of our flanks and wings will be made up of resting mids and Pedlar (when not broken), Taylor, Cook (if not delisted), Nank, Bond, the untried Ryan and whomever we draft in the next 2 drafts.

We need to trade/ free agency in our inside mid solution. While we should always draft for best available (at least with top 30 picks), I won't be upset if we pick up a highly skilled wing, half forward or half back.

I still think our ball movement is at least as big a problem as our midfield. And it looks to have less upcoming solutions.

 

[1990crow]

I don't think drafting is going to fix our inside mid problem.

Anyone we draft will not be making a significant impact on the inside in their first 2 years. By 2027:

• Draper will be 23 and about to enter his prime
• Curtin will be 24 and entering his prime
• Soligo (26), Rachele (26) and Billy Dowling (25) will be at their peak
• Rankine and Peatling will be 28 and still in their prime

Charlie Edwards (mid taken with pick 21 in 2023) will be 2 years ahead of this year's top draftee. Sam Berry (mid taken with pick 28 in 2020) might still be ahead of most of our 2025 draftees (but will hopefully be our 10th best option).

Relying on this year's draftees will also mean we haven't fixed our inside mid problem for 2027, putting our window back another year.

On the other hand, on our flanks and wings:

• Laird will be 35 in 2027
• ANB will be 33
• Keays will be 32
• Ah Chee and Milera will be 31
• Hinge and Cumming will be 30

Dawson will be 32, but I suspect still pretty decent in a (tall) Zorko role. But the rest of our flanks and wings will be made up of resting mids and Pedlar (when not broken), Taylor, Cook (if not delisted), Nank, Bond, the untried Ryan and whomever we draft in the next 2 drafts.

We need to trade/ free agency in our inside mid solution. While we should always draft for best available (at least with top 30 picks), I won't be upset if we pick up a highly skilled wing, half forward or half back.

I still think our ball movement is at least as big a problem as our midfield. And it looks to have less upcoming solutions.

Not sure how you calculated your ages for 2027. They all look wrong.

 

[Vader]

On your sums there, we lose 55 years, but also our entire squad ages up a year. So there is little difference in the end. Maybe around 0.3 years younger on average. Based on this year's numbers that would only move us down a couple of spots.

The average age of our starting 22 each week will likely increase next year.

Agreed. The retirement of Tex, in addition to the other changes, would have shifted the needle a bit more significantly - but that never happened.

 

[CDC60]

Not sure how you calculated your ages for 2027. They all look wrong.

Agreed. Sid will turn 21 in mid 2007 and Dowling 23, etc

 

[crow2crow]

On your sums there, we lose 55 years, but also our entire squad ages up a year. So there is little difference in the end. Maybe around 0.3 years younger on average. Based on this year's numbers that would only move us down a couple of spots.

The average age of our starting 22 each week will likely increase next year.

0.3 per player is massive so not sure what are you talking about. There’s only 1 year ish between top and bottom and we were in the lower half already

 

[Big Dub]

Not sure how you calculated your ages for 2027. They all look wrong.

Good call. Replace 2027 with 2028 (the actual 3rd year)

 

[1990crow]

Good call. Replace 2027 with 2028 (the actual 3rd year)

Nope. 2029.

 

[Vader]

0.3 per player is massive so not sure what are you talking about. There’s only 1 year ish between top and bottom and we were in the lower half already

Not even close...

You can see the average list ages here: https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2025

Collingwood had the oldest list, with an average of 26.2 years (at whatever cutoff date the site uses). At the other end of the spectrum, Norf players averaged 23.6 years. That's a difference of 2.6 years between top and bottom. Collingwood are a real outlier - 0.8 years older than the 2nd oldest team (Brisbane).

Adelaide averaged 24.8 years, giving us the 7th oldest list (not the bottom half as you asserted). Decreasing Adelaide's average age would only drop us down below Carlton, into a group of teams (Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Fremantle) all on 24.5 years.

Of course, every team's average age will change next year, depending on the age of their departing players and recruited players. We'll need to wait to see the final lists to see where we stand - though I suspect we'll still be around the middle of the pack.

 

[Soggy2112]

I’d hope we aren’t putting all our eggs in the Bailey basket, though

I’d also hope that the reason we couldn’t get any of the cheap stopgap options that are currently better than Berry, was that they didn’t want to come to SA

I mentioned Bailey as he’s the one who we’ve been linked to.

I more meant though that in general, we don’t want to overcommit to one guy and need to make sure we don’t end up in an Aleer situation.

I think based on what the Suns paid for Trac, that would have been too much. Something that is important to keep in mind, is that if we are to have an extended run like the Lions (which should be the goal), a lot of our key players in 2030-31 are not yet on the list.

Using the Lions as an example, they first made finals in 2019, but a large chunk of their core has been brought in after that.

Getting Trac in might have been the shot in the arm for the next couple years, but I think the price tag would have costed us in the long run. I’ve said a few times that patience is key in a rebuild, and although I’m disappointed that next year likely won’t be the year, I do have faith in what the list management team is putting together, and in particular, I do have faith in what Curtin and Draper can add as potentially elite midfielders down the line.

I would be interested to know what the story was with us and Oliver and Steele. In particular the latter seems like a bit of a free hit with what they ended up spending for him.