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Does anyone have any idea what the consequences of the ASADA/AFL findings will be on drafting Gumbleton or Crameri? Seems if found guilty it means they will be banned for a minimum of 6 months. I guess that means they wouldn't be allowed to even train with an AFL club?
 

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Does anyone have any idea what the consequences of the ASADA/AFL findings will be on drafting Gumbleton or Crameri? Seems if found guilty it means they will be banned for a minimum of 6 months. I guess that means they wouldn't be allowed to even train with an AFL club?

You'd think their trade price would drop significantly :)
 

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Jones kinda reminds me of Waite for Carlton
he jumps early sometime it works sometimes it doesn't
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I think you're missing the context of that post in that Watts won't want to come to us. He's almost definitely going to either stay or go to a club in the top 8 or finals contention. He's too similar to every other forward we have. When I say that, I mean he doesn't compliment what we already have.
I think your right, and I get that entirely. I was more going on the them that clubs wouldn't draft Watt's if he was only leaving the Dee's to go to somewhere in particular. It wouldn't be wise. Us included of course.
 
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I see there is a thread in the Drafts and Trading page, dedicated on whether we would consider trading Griffen for pick 1.

Not totally sold on the idea, but I do think that idea has a bit of merit.

Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).

Trading Lake (effectively for Hrovat) was also a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain, which I think has worked ok so far.

Before people start using Melbourne as an example of what happens when you trade senior players, consider:
  • We aren't doing what Melbourne did by forcing players to retire (MacDonald, Green, etc)
  • We would be getting a potential gun KPF in exchange for Griffen, it's not like we would be getting rid of him for nothing
  • Our young midfielders are approaching that 50 game mark now, and can much better stand on their own feet.
No doubt that the trade won't happen, but if it did, it would be a massively bold statement of intent for our future, and, generate some big excitement about where we're headed.
 

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I see there is a thread in the Drafts and Trading page, dedicated on whether we would consider trading Griffen for pick 1.

Not totally sold on the idea, but I do think that idea has a bit of merit.

Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).

Trading Lake (effectively for Hrovat) was also a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain, which I think has worked ok so far.

Before people start using Melbourne as an example of what happens when you trade senior players, consider:
  • We aren't doing what Melbourne did by forcing players to retire (MacDonald, Green, etc)
  • We would be getting a potential gun KPF in exchange for Griffen, it's not like we would be getting rid of him for nothing
  • Our young midfielders are approaching that 50 game mark now, and can much better stand on their own feet.
No doubt that the trade won't happen, but if it did, it would be a massively bold statement of intent for our future, and, generate some big excitement about where we're headed.
Griffen is worth more than pick 1, I dont want to trade him, but if we did i would ask for pick 1 and a first round pick player .
 

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I see there is a thread in the Drafts and Trading page, dedicated on whether we would consider trading Griffen for pick 1.

Not totally sold on the idea, but I do think that idea has a bit of merit.

Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).

Trading Lake (effectively for Hrovat) was also a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain, which I think has worked ok so far.

Before people start using Melbourne as an example of what happens when you trade senior players, consider:
  • We aren't doing what Melbourne did by forcing players to retire (MacDonald, Green, etc)
  • We would be getting a potential gun KPF in exchange for Griffen, it's not like we would be getting rid of him for nothing
  • Our young midfielders are approaching that 50 game mark now, and can much better stand on their own feet.
No doubt that the trade won't happen, but if it did, it would be a massively bold statement of intent for our future, and, generate some big excitement about where we're headed.
I think I highlighted the main word :p Why would we trade our next captain, one of the top five midfielders in the game, for someone with the POTENTIAL to become a gun? It shouldn't even be discussed, there is no way it will happen and it's a bad idea.
 

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Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).
Short term pain for long term contract negotiation headaches and zero credibility in asking for player loyalty ever again.

Griffen signed to us for less than he would have been paid elsewhere - not just the expansion clubs, but Essendon's offer as well.
Most people complain of Ward & Harbrow leaving (and Brown before that) - yet we want to shaft off our best player, after showing us loyalty, on a maybe (which is what a draft pick is)?
I think we have to keep sight of the bigger picture - who from Sydney/Geelong/Hawthorn, as competition benchmarks, have been traded off for picks?
 

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I'm all for the concept of trading older players for picks during our development phase. I'd be open to moving Minson for example in the right circumstances.

BUT, griff is one of the top 10 players in the league. And he has 5 or 6 good years left. It's highly possible that there won't be a player as good as griff in this entire draft, let alone the 1 player we take being anywhere near as good. He is so underrated. Wouldn't trade him for 3 first rounders.
 

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I see there is a thread in the Drafts and Trading page, dedicated on whether we would consider trading Griffen for pick 1.

Not totally sold on the idea, but I do think that idea has a bit of merit.

Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).

Trading Lake (effectively for Hrovat) was also a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain, which I think has worked ok so far.

Before people start using Melbourne as an example of what happens when you trade senior players, consider:
  • We aren't doing what Melbourne did by forcing players to retire (MacDonald, Green, etc)
  • We would be getting a potential gun KPF in exchange for Griffen, it's not like we would be getting rid of him for nothing
  • Our young midfielders are approaching that 50 game mark now, and can much better stand on their own feet.
No doubt that the trade won't happen, but if it did, it would be a massively bold statement of intent for our future, and, generate some big excitement about where we're headed.
What if he is a Tim Walsh, Jack Watts, Tom Williams type ??
 
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Griffen is worth more than pick 1, I dont want to trade him, but if we did i would ask for pick 1 and a first round pick player .
I think I highlighted the main word :p Why would we trade our next captain, one of the top five midfielders in the game, for someone with the POTENTIAL to become a gun? It shouldn't even be discussed, there is no way it will happen and it's a bad idea.
Short term pain for long term contract negotiation headaches and zero credibility in asking for player loyalty ever again.

Griffen signed to us for less than he would have been paid elsewhere - not just the expansion clubs, but Essendon's offer as well.
Most people complain of Ward & Harbrow leaving (and Brown before that) - yet we want to shaft off our best player, after showing us loyalty, on a maybe (which is what a draft pick is)?
I think we have to keep sight of the bigger picture - who from Sydney/Geelong/Hawthorn, as competition benchmarks, have been traded off for picks?
I'm all for the concept of trading older players for picks during our development phase. I'd be open to moving Minson for example in the right circumstances.

BUT, griff is one of the top 10 players in the league. And he has 5 or 6 good years left. It's highly possible that there won't be a player as good as griff in this entire draft, let alone the 1 player we take being anywhere near as good. He is so underrated. Wouldn't trade him for 3 first rounders.
What if he is a Tim Walsh, Jack Watts, Tom Williams type ??
Wow - didn't mean to cause that much of a stir!!

Everyone has their price.

GAJ, Judd, Griffen, etc. The list goes on and on.

What if the trade was Cameron + pick 1??? We'd fall over ourselves trying to take it.

I think Griff could probably get us pick 1 and Adams, or pick 1 and pick 10.

Remember, he is 28 next year, meaning he has played more games than he has left.

Yes, Boyd is only potential right now, but the players at pick 1 have a pretty bloody good track record of making it. He might only be a Jack Watts, but he might also be a Nick Riewoldt.

In terms of history, the last time pick 1 was traded it was Hawthorn who took a chance and traded for it. That player turned out to be Luke Hodge, without him they wouldn't have won a flag in 2008 (Norm Smith medallist).

If you look at Geelong, they gave up quite a bit to get Ottens - who really was a critical piece of their dynasty.

Anyway, like I said I'm not totally sold on the idea, but think it is definitely worth thinking about and discussing.
 

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Wow - didn't mean to cause that much of a stir!!

Everyone has their price.

GAJ, Judd, Griffen, etc. The list goes on and on.

What if the trade was Cameron + pick 1??? We'd fall over ourselves trying to take it.

I think Griff could probably get us pick 1 and Adams, or pick 1 and pick 10.

Remember, he is 28 next year, meaning he has played more games than he has left.

Yes, Boyd is only potential right now, but the players at pick 1 have a pretty bloody good track record of making it. He might only be a Jack Watts, but he might also be a Nick Riewoldt.

In terms of history, the last time pick 1 was traded it was Hawthorn who took a chance and traded for it. That player turned out to be Luke Hodge, without him they wouldn't have won a flag in 2008 (Norm Smith medallist).

If you look at Geelong, they gave up quite a bit to get Ottens - who really was a critical piece of their dynasty.

Anyway, like I said I'm not totally sold on the idea, but think it is definitely worth thinking about and discussing.
They wanted to go gold digging, clubs weren't flogging them off.
 

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Wow - didn't mean to cause that much of a stir!!

Everyone has their price.

GAJ, Judd, Griffen, etc. The list goes on and on.

What if the trade was Cameron + pick 1??? We'd fall over ourselves trying to take it.

I think Griff could probably get us pick 1 and Adams, or pick 1 and pick 10.

Remember, he is 28 next year, meaning he has played more games than he has left.

Yes, Boyd is only potential right now, but the players at pick 1 have a pretty bloody good track record of making it. He might only be a Jack Watts, but he might also be a Nick Riewoldt.

In terms of history, the last time pick 1 was traded it was Hawthorn who took a chance and traded for it. That player turned out to be Luke Hodge, without him they wouldn't have won a flag in 2008 (Norm Smith medallist).

If you look at Geelong, they gave up quite a bit to get Ottens - who really was a critical piece of their dynasty.

Anyway, like I said I'm not totally sold on the idea, but think it is definitely worth thinking about and discussing.

For mine the only way this could work is if Griff wanted to go, otherwise the damaged caused would far out way any gain.....Heart & Soul
 

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Surely you only trade out what you can afford to lose, and that you have a relatively immediate and obvious replacement for. Like for like.
Anything else is simply shuffling deck chairs, and will in all likelihood get you absolutely no where.

If you continuously trade off your best players just as they reach their peak for kids and draft picks, it will just become a dog chasing it's own tail.

And given the body shape and short tail of a bulldog, chances are it would never finish up getting caught at all.
 

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Trading grif to GWS would be like sharpening your executioners axe in exchange for a lottery ticket.
Griff and Minson are 100% not on the table. They are our most important players! I think everyone needs to wake up to the fact that we won't be getting pick 1 - and if Tom Boyd slips and GWS pick a midfielder - the Saints will end up winning at pick 3 (which yes makes me beyond sick):mad:

Griff will probably be our captain next season.
 

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I see there is a thread in the Drafts and Trading page, dedicated on whether we would consider trading Griffen for pick 1.

Not totally sold on the idea, but I do think that idea has a bit of merit.

Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).

Trading Lake (effectively for Hrovat) was also a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain, which I think has worked ok so far.

Before people start using Melbourne as an example of what happens when you trade senior players, consider:
  • We aren't doing what Melbourne did by forcing players to retire (MacDonald, Green, etc)
  • We would be getting a potential gun KPF in exchange for Griffen, it's not like we would be getting rid of him for nothing
  • Our young midfielders are approaching that 50 game mark now, and can much better stand on their own feet.
No doubt that the trade won't happen, but if it did, it would be a massively bold statement of intent for our future, and, generate some big excitement about where we're headed.
Josh stay out of the pubs during the day , if you drink your lunch your prone to say some silly things .:)
 

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I see there is a thread in the Drafts and Trading page, dedicated on whether we would consider trading Griffen for pick 1.

Not totally sold on the idea, but I do think that idea has a bit of merit.

Yes Griff is an absolute gun, but if you think about it, he is 28 next year, so it would be a case of short-term pain for long-term gain (i.e. getting that gun KPF that we desperately need).

Trading Lake (effectively for Hrovat) was also a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain, which I think has worked ok so far.

Before people start using Melbourne as an example of what happens when you trade senior players, consider:
  • We aren't doing what Melbourne did by forcing players to retire (MacDonald, Green, etc)
  • We would be getting a potential gun KPF in exchange for Griffen, it's not like we would be getting rid of him for nothing
  • Our young midfielders are approaching that 50 game mark now, and can much better stand on their own feet.
No doubt that the trade won't happen, but if it did, it would be a massively bold statement of intent for our future, and, generate some big excitement about where we're headed.
Great post and well thought out.The club won't do it we know that.
I'll bet London to a brick folk on here will be lamenting not having a crack at Boyd.
Dogs are playing the long game and should think of where our list is in 3 years time, when we're challenging for finals again. Also setting the club up for a sustained period of success ( not just a few fleeting years)
Don't be fooled Geelong drafted their way to this long period of sustained success, and added the cream on top.
 

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Griff and Minson are 100% not on the table. They are our most important players! I think everyone needs to wake up to the fact that we won't be getting pick 1 - and if Tom Boyd slips and GWS pick a midfielder - the Saints will end up winning at pick 3 (which yes makes me beyond sick):mad:

Griff will probably be our captain next season.
Yes and how is Minson going to go in 3 years time while rucking 95% of game time?
Will's been great but it's bigger picture thinking that's required.
 

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Great post and well thought out.The club won't do it we know that.
I'll bet London to a brick folk on here will be lamenting not having a crack at Boyd.
Dogs are playing the long game and should think of where our list is in 3 years time, when we're challenging for finals again. Also setting the club up for a sustained period of success ( not just a few fleeting years)
Don't be fooled Geelong drafted their way to this long period of sustained success, and added the cream on top.
Geelong develop their players well. When's the last time they traded their best for an early draft pick?
 
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