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I haven't been a fan since day 1 either. He got a 2 year deal unfortunately. I don't see any role for him in the team, nor on the list.
I dont have a problem with him on the list, having hard bodied Mids on the list is always good, they are good stop gap and once a player like Wallis goes past him he is no longer in the side. This is what teams like Melbourne failed to realise, but Macca has identified as necessary for development.

At best the young players shows enough to prevent him getting a game at worst he fills the role till the younger player steps up and takes his spot while preventing the younger player from getting smashed while his form is down.
 

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Just been reading most team boards trade threads. There is some crazy stuff out there. We aren't that bad, are we? :p

It's only going to get worse...wait till they start posting their bat shit crazy ideas here.

Oh wait, we've already had those Box Hill reserves players offered for Cooney...:oops:
 

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It's only going to get worse...wait till they start posting their bat shit crazy ideas here.

Oh wait, we've already had those Box Hill reserves players offered for Cooney...:oops:

And the next one of our own who offers Griff up for someone that has not played one AFL game needs to be RED CARDED !
 

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And the next one of our own who offers Griff up for someone that has not played one AFL game needs to be RED CARDED !

If we red carded everyone who has a stupid idea, then there wouldn't be that many people on BigFooty :)
 
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Didn't Lower play some of his best footy off half back for Freo?
Just mentioning this because Goodes won't be around forever, and having another hard at it player with an experienced head in the backline might be important once Goodes and Morris are gone.
 

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Didn't Lower play some of his best footy off half back for Freo?
Just mentioning this because Goodes won't be around forever, and having another hard at it player with an experienced head in the backline might be important once Goodes and Morris are gone.
his kicking is poor, and picken seems to be playing that role, and his kicking is poor but appears better than lower's. unless he is a really good one on one defender. he is hard, but can he run with a small forward on a lead. he isn't the fastest. game has changed a bit probably since he was playing off the half back flank. probably why he stopped playing for freo.
like everyone has been saying, he is a great depth player. can play a role. not best 22. but having a championship team isn't about best 22. its about having great depth.
lower released picken to the back pocket, then lower played a role. showed wallis that you don't have to be fast to tag. just gotta be tough. think he might of been a good mentor for wallis.
wallis is like a young matty boyd. tags out a player but gets more disposals than them. considering we were worrying about wallis. 29 disposals, game high 13 tackles, kept kennedy to under 18 disposals (which is less than grants disposals for the game, as grant had 20) is a fair effort.
Also Campbell showed us how important a full forward is. he is only a ruckman, playing as a forward. but he lead well, made a contest every time, so players like grant, dahlhaus and even gia could crumb and score. he had so many score involvments.
if we had a brute forward, he could kick goals and grab himself, we would be pretty darn good.
Campbell can kick goals. kicked 2. one from 50 meters and one from 40. however he hasn't got the one grab down pack. seems to juggle the mark, but presents really well. worth persisting with. would love tom boyd though
 

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Griff will go very very close to winning the brownlow this year. Will get BOG in all our wins and will poll atleast a vote in nearly all our losses. Would be stupid to get rid of him. Only pick 1 and Jeremy Cameron would get it done. And that aint happening.
 

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Didn't Lower play some of his best footy off half back for Freo?
Just mentioning this because Goodes won't be around forever, and having another hard at it player with an experienced head in the backline might be important once Goodes and Morris are gone.
his kicking is poor, and picken seems to be playing that role, and his kicking is poor but appears better than lower's. unless he is a really good one on one defender. he is hard, but can he run with a small forward on a lead. he isn't the fastest. game has changed a bit probably since he was playing off the half back flank. probably why he stopped playing for freo.
like everyone has been saying, he is a great depth player. can play a role. not best 22. but having a championship team isn't about best 22. its about having great depth.
lower released picken to the back pocket, then lower played a role. showed wallis that you don't have to be fast to tag. just gotta be tough. think he might of been a good mentor for wallis.
wallis is like a young matty boyd. tags out a player but gets more disposals than them. considering we were worrying about wallis. 29 disposals, game high 13 tackles, kept kennedy to under 18 disposals (which is less than grants disposals for the game, as grant had 20) is a fair effort.
Also Campbell showed us how important a full forward is. he is only a ruckman, playing as a forward. but he lead well, made a contest every time, so players like grant, dahlhaus and even gia could crumb and score. he had so many score involvments.
if we had a brute forward, he could kick goals and grab himself, we would be pretty darn good.
Campbell can kick goals. kicked 2. one from 50 meters and one from 40. however he hasn't got the one grab down pack. seems to juggle the mark, but presents really well. worth persisting with. would love tom boyd though
 

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Griff will go very very close to winning the brownlow this year. Will get BOG in all our wins and will poll atleast a vote in nearly all our losses. Would be stupid to get rid of him. Only pick 1 and Jeremy Cameron would get it done. And that aint happening.
agreed that would be the only way we would trade griffin. and as you say, that won't happen. we would go from struggling for forwards for a crazy abundance of forwards like Essendon, where jones wouldn't be best 22. funny enough that is that if we did get boyd and Cameron (I know we wont but for a hypothetical), the funny thing is that jones would lost his spot, but grant would keep his. crazy to think ay. cause grant is the perfect third tall. run like hell. has height, so you can't put a small on him. grant destroyed grundy on the lead. jones though can't play a third tall. is the perfect CHF. but Cameron is just better than jones at this point, even though Cameron is a lot younger. Jones is growing though and am loving jones.
Griffin to me is like boyd and cooney merged as one player (when they were in there prime). Griffin has been getting like a lazy 40 disposals most games, leads the comp in forward 50 entries, pace is phenominal. can play outside and inside. complete player. can kick goals. he is elite in nearly every category.
yes cooney did win a brownlow. and he deserved it. but he wasn't getting 40 disposals. boyd use to do that, and cooney was our star. griffen does everything. to me griffin is playing better than cooney did in his brownlow year. and is absolutely crazy of an idea to consider trading griffin.
 

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Is there anything we can trade to GWS for Pick 1 that doesn't involve Griffen or Minson?
Have said this a few time, but the only way we can get boyd in my opinion, is if we lose cooney (which is looking unlikely), goes to hawks, as they lose buddy, so they get cooney and Thomas, pay cooney and Thomas the combined wage they were going to pay buddy. so like 500k for cooney. 600 k for Thomas. we get band 1 for cooney, giving us pick 5. we then offer pick 4 and pick 5 to GWS for pick 1. we get boyd. then GWS get two top 5 picks to draft elite midfielders, or use to trade on to other clubs. they would have pick 4, pick 5, and pick 10. could use any of those 3 to get talent they wanted. which what they want is bellchambers. not really any key backs to get in trade of free agency, but might find one in the VFL or something.
 

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agreed that would be the only way we would trade griffin. and as you say, that won't happen. we would go from struggling for forwards for a crazy abundance of forwards like Essendon, where jones wouldn't be best 22. funny enough that is that if we did get boyd and Cameron (I know we wont but for a hypothetical), the funny thing is that jones would lost his spot, but grant would keep his. crazy to think ay. cause grant is the perfect third tall. run like hell. has height, so you can't put a small on him. grant destroyed grundy on the lead. jones though can't play a third tall. is the perfect CHF. but Cameron is just better than jones at this point, even though Cameron is a lot younger. Jones is growing though and am loving jones.
Griffin to me is like boyd and cooney merged as one player (when they were in there prime). Griffin has been getting like a lazy 40 disposals most games, leads the comp in forward 50 entries, pace is phenominal. can play outside and inside. complete player. can kick goals. he is elite in nearly every category.
yes cooney did win a brownlow. and he deserved it. but he wasn't getting 40 disposals. boyd use to do that, and cooney was our star. griffen does everything. to me griffin is playing better than cooney did in his brownlow year. and is absolutely crazy of an idea to consider trading griffin.


If we were to get cameron and pick 1(I know it's not gonna happen) i don't think we would take Boyd, Surely we would look to replace Griff with pick up and pick up Aish.
 

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If we were to get cameron and pick 1(I know it's not gonna happen) i don't think we would take Boyd, Surely we would look to replace Griff with pick up and pick up Aish.
fair point. but isn't Cameron a true CHF. I guess we only need the one forward. and Jones could play Full forward like a Jay Schultz or Cloke. CHF's who actually play well at FF. yeah Aish would be a good fit to replace grif. Would be silly taking Boyd then.
But like we have both stated, it won't happen.
We keep grif.
the main options we appear to be going for are white, gumby, crameri.
Other options for me to be worth considering are Gorringe from suns and Tarrant from north.
He hasn't showed much Tarrant, however I believe he has a lot of talent. He is behind Black in the pecking order. Hansen claimed the CHB spot. there main forwards are petrie, black and Thomas. and even Daw.
I do thing that Tarrant is a option to get.
Gorringe was a high pick, and is mainly a ruckman but they have a crazy amount of talls. won't get a game next year when Zac smith comes back into the team. Definitely think Gorringe can come cheap.
 

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Have said this a few time, but the only way we can get boyd in my opinion, is if we lose cooney (which is looking unlikely), goes to hawks, as they lose buddy, so they get cooney and Thomas, pay cooney and Thomas the combined wage they were going to pay buddy. so like 500k for cooney. 600 k for Thomas. we get band 1 for cooney, giving us pick 5. we then offer pick 4 and pick 5 to GWS for pick 1. we get boyd. then GWS get two top 5 picks to draft elite midfielders, or use to trade on to other clubs. they would have pick 4, pick 5, and pick 10. could use any of those 3 to get talent they wanted. which what they want is bellchambers. not really any key backs to get in trade of free agency, but might find one in the VFL or something.

Hey Flash, can you say that a little slower ?
 

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Well if the rumours about North wanting Cooney are true then Maybe we could look at Tarrant.
Cooney is a free agent, although if we could do a sign and trade (NBA style) Tarrant would be a great pick up. Doubt Norf will want to lose him though.
 
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And the next one of our own who offers Griff up for someone that has not played one AFL game needs to be RED CARDED !
As many people have lamented, the biggest problem with how we perform (including yesterday) is that we don't have that gun target to kick the ball to.

That very problem is exactly what we had in 2008-09 - our last genuine crack at winning the flag.

BUT WAIT - would you believe, there is a huge KPF talent in the draft this year.... that is likely to be selected at pick 1?

His name is Tom Boyd.

If we want to get the gun KPF, we will have to give up something good - now there is no use in us chasing this pick, if we lose one of our young players that we are building our list around.

Griffen and Minson are our only mid-aged players worth much on the open market (Cooney is a FA).

Would have thought that it's worth discussing at the very least.

Gotta say, that given our current state (and history of struggling in the last third of the field), I am a little staggered at most people here absolute stone-walling, the mere concept, of considering, trading Griffen.
 

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Our need for a key forward can wait till next years draft IMO. It's not like we are pushing for finals.

2014 draft is a KPF's draft, we can get one there with a top three pick.
 
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