List Mgmt. List Management.

[Mr Magic]

Trade Lids just for his own sanity and I feel sorry for the poor prick. He got sucked into this "no shortcuts" rebuild like everyone else.

Problem with Lids is getting value for him. IMO he could be like Fletcher and go on for a while. Really the best time to trade Lids was when Omeara was available and then you could have got Lids back. Now with Lids others will look at the age and downplay how long he could play on for!

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Out:
Chris Newman (retired)
Jake King (retired)
Aaron Edwards (retired/delisted)
Brad Helbig (delisted)
Jake Batchelor (delisted)

Resign:
Shane Edwards. Play him only as a small forward. 1-2 year deal.
David Astbury. Terrible luck. Gets another year based on his form this year.
Matt Dea. Re-sign pending form. I reckon he'll do alright in the small defender role. 1-2 years depending on how well he plays.
Ben Griffiths. Re-sign providing he starts kicking goals again. 1 year deal.
Kamdyn McIntosh. I don't rate him, but he deserves more than 2 years. 1 year deal.
Liam McBean. Re-sign. 2 year deal.
Matthew McDonough. Re-sign. Looks good for a 2nd year player. 2 year deal.
Todd Elton. Re-sign. 3 years isn't enough for a key forward. 1 year deal.
Matt Arnott. Re-sign. Gets another year.
Brett O'Hanlon. Either 1 more year or de-list, depending on form.


De-list Grigg and Petterd at the end of next year. Can't believe the contracts of Vickery, Houli, Foley, Morris, Hampson and Chaplin especially.

 

[TheProwler]

Ha ha, JR is worth more than a second rounder even if just as a genuine forward threat against good defenders.

I am not against trade some of our elder statesman when its is a win win for all but we can't just give players away.

I think a few clubs would be interested in some of our players particularly with Lids being so durable. The question is what do the players want? and secondly is what we could get for them fair and suitable?

Also got to keep in mind the FA menace in the background to!

Really unless quality young players come our way like a Tyson/Gunston or Jaksch combination or other GWS player/pick combo you really wouldn't do it.

With these trades to work the deal needs to work in both the clubs and the players favour!

For example if you where trading to Hawthorn RFC would have to get Gunston because their strength is not there youth. If Hawks let go Gunston they will need a replacement so they might want JR. But then RFC want great youngsters and good draft picks Hawks don't have so other clubs would need to be involved.

Atm for Hawks you would only be looking at first round pick/Hartung and Gunston so for them to get more they would have to trade with other clubs to get us what we would be looking for.

Having said that GWS should rise like GC particularly so senior players to them would be great if it suits. But would players like JR or Lids entertain Sydney?

I was taking the piss mate.

Still come seasons end we may have to decide on a player or two for the future of the club. JR for instance has probably three years left in him before sliding so maybe moving him on for an early pick is smarter than keeping him until he starts sliding and thus degrading value.

Ideally we keep our current list and build on it but with so many gaps at the moment we might not be lucky enough to keep everyone.

Maybe Vickery to Brisbane for pick one?

 

[Mr Magic]

I was taking the piss mate.

Still come seasons end we may have to decide on a player or two for the future of the club. JR for instance has probably three years left in him before sliding so maybe moving him on for an early pick is smarter than keeping him until he starts sliding and thus degrading value.

Ideally we keep our current list and build on it but with so many gaps at the moment we might not be lucky enough to keep everyone.

Maybe Vickery to Brisbane for pick one?

Smart thinking though. JR like all players will start to slide at some point

 

[_RT_]

Delisted:
Senior List: Newman(retired) A.Edwards King Helbig Arnot
Rookie List: Stephenson Thomas Banfield
Free Agency:
S.Edwards - let him go and see if we can get compo for him somewhere in the second round either after our pick or end of round.
Trade Table:
Grimes or Batchelor - one goes to get us a pick inside 40
Vickery regardless of opinion here would garner us a top 30 pick
Upgrade:
Miles Darrou

With that we would have 6 spots for the draft and assuming we finish around 14th that would give us a top 5 pick and the above mentioned trades happened and S.Edwards left via free agency we would have 5, late first round pick for Vickery, 25, 26, late second round pick for Grimes/Batchelor & 43 to go after some new blood. With those picks we should be able to snare some genuine quality to improve the list.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

It's sad to say but the only currency we have at the trade table is Tyron Vickery and he would be worth a second rounder

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

Retire;
Newman
King
Stephenson
Foley
Thanks for your service but we need to move on. I know Foley has another year but he is cooked, just doesn't have it anymore. Has strong character and work ethic but don't see him turning it around. Stephenson has been a good backup but there must be a better ruckman out there. King has been a warrior and should be proud but he is done. Newy has bleed for the club and doesn't have anything left. Thanks.

Delist;
Petterd
O'Hanlon
McIntosh
Edwards.A
I don't think we gave Petterd a two-year deal, pretty sure it was one but I cannot find anything. Love his effort but can't carry players like him in the side. O'Hanlon has not shown anything to me. Been to a few VFL games and didn't do anything to excite him. Has a nice kick but doesn't really use it to his advantage. Could of just been the games I have seen him though. McIntosh I feel just won't cut it, trying to make him a tagger but don't feel he is up to being an AFL footballer. Azza is done I feel wouldn't mind having him run around in the VFL though.

Trade;
Vickery
I don't really see us getting anything for other players on our list. Chaplin, Houli, Grigg, Batchelor ect. wont attract offers from other clubs I feel but nearly everyone on our list is tradeable bar the obvious few. Vickery could be of value to a club like St Kilda or Bulldogs needed a KPP. Try to steal Griffen of Jack Steven from either club. Throw in a pick if need be.

 

[Tigerbob]

Delisted:
Senior List: Newman(retired) A.Edwards King Helbig Arnot
Rookie List: Stephenson Thomas Banfield
Free Agency:
S.Edwards - let him go and see if we can get compo for him somewhere in the second round either after our pick or end of round.
Trade Table:
Grimes or Batchelor - one goes to get us a pick inside 40
Vickery regardless of opinion here would garner us a top 30 pick
Upgrade:
Miles Darrou

With that we would have 6 spots for the draft and assuming we finish around 14th that would give us a top 5 pick and the above mentioned trades happened and S.Edwards left via free agency we would have 5, late first round pick for Vickery, 25, 26, late second round pick for Grimes/Batchelor & 43 to go after some new blood. With those picks we should be able to snare some genuine quality to improve the list.

I like. Pretty good effort. I'd delist Petterd and keep Arnot. Despite the contracts.

But this is what I'd be aiming for.

 

[theflea]

Well its hard to get rid of players who are contracted which is unfortunate.

So from this years crop
Newman and King need to retire
S.Edwards should go a year contract performance based (but will get min 2 years)
A.Edwards and Batch to be delisted
Astbury moved to the rookie list (would have got a contract but for his injury and now needs to be delisted but thats really cruel)
Helbig Dea and McIntosh have to show something to get another year.
Elton, Griff and O'Hanlon all deserve another year (maybe 2 if Griff and Elton keep improving)
Arnot, McBean and Madonna all get two years.

So the 5 spots freed up right there.

You then offer a handful of players for trade and see who bites. Grigg and Vickery head this list possibly Grimes depending on his body and form for the remainder of the year. We can't do much about Foley, Chaplin and Knights (would love him to be injury free) despite needing to be moved on. A few others are borderline like Petterd (a mistake to elevate), Hampson and possibly Morris

Why wouldn't you give astbury a contract?

 

[tigs2010]

Delisted:
Senior List: Newman(retired) A.Edwards King Helbig Arnot
Rookie List: Stephenson Thomas Banfield
Free Agency:
S.Edwards - let him go and see if we can get compo for him somewhere in the second round either after our pick or end of round.
Trade Table:
Grimes or Batchelor - one goes to get us a pick inside 40
Vickery regardless of opinion here would garner us a top 30 pick
Upgrade:
Miles Darrou

With that we would have 6 spots for the draft and assuming we finish around 14th that would give us a top 5 pick and the above mentioned trades happened and S.Edwards left via free agency we would have 5, late first round pick for Vickery, 25, 26, late second round pick for Grimes/Batchelor & 43 to go after some new blood. With those picks we should be able to snare some genuine quality to improve the list.

I like. Pretty good effort. I'd delist Petterd and keep Arnot. Despite the contracts.

But this is what I'd be aiming for.

Agree with you RT but with TB on Arnot staying.

I'm pretty sure Petterd is actually on a 1 year deal. Not too fussed if he stays either tbh as a depth player. Depending what picks we can gather.

I'd be inclined to keep Grimes and try ship Batchelor. Moreso now with Astbury going down.

 

[theflea]

I agree he has been brilliant but a hard decision has to be made (unlike we did with foley). His last injury was mid 2012, only now are we starting to see him performing. It'll be 2016 and he'll be 25 before you might begin to see a return again. No team is going to take him with his injuries.

Its a 3 moth injury if surgery req. Its just last time it took longer but doesn't mean it will this time.

 

[theflea]

Delist: King, Newman, Helbig, A.Edwards, Stephenson, Williams, Banfield. Potential delisting Petterd, Batchelor.

Trade bait: Vickery, Batchelor, Grimes, S Edwards.

Upgrade: Miles, maybe Darou

 

[SilenceOz]

Got any tall KPF's we could take off your hands for a fair trade?
Preferably one's that could pull a Schulz.
Hell I'll take another Matty White if you have one.

 

[DieHardTiger]

Got any tall KPF's we could take off your hands for a fair trade?
Preferably one's that could pull a Schulz.
Hell I'll take another Matty White if you have one.

Take Grigg, and we'll even throw in Thomas.
Know how much you are missing him.

 

[theflea]

Got any tall KPF's we could take off your hands for a fair trade?
Preferably one's that could pull a Schulz.
Hell I'll take another Matty White if you have one.

Sure but we'll take wines, boak and wingard...........

 

[tigs2010]

Got any tall KPF's we could take off your hands for a fair trade?
Preferably one's that could pull a Schulz.
Hell I'll take another Matty White if you have one.

Vickery. Got any Farmer's or pick 100's? We haven't got a list full of duds yet...

 

[SilenceOz]

Sure but we'll take wines, boak and wingard...........

Vickery. Got any Farmer's or pick 100's? We haven't got a list full of duds yet...

Tell you what you can have Thomas and Chapl..oh wait you already took them

 

[DieHardTiger]

Tell you what you can have Thomas and Chapl..oh wait you already took them

to be fair we didnt take thomas, you threw him out of your window and we picked him up

 

[Jootube]

Try to steal Griffen of Jack Steven from either club.

Vickery for either an AA last season, or Jack Steven who was BnF for the saints last year... Jeez

 

[wingman_maestro]

Richmond Tigers Season 2014 Players
yes 12 Astbury, David 37 23yr 2mth Defender
yes 30 Conca, Reece 60 21yr 9mth Midfield
yes 9 Cotchin, Trent 116 24yr 1mth Midfield
yes 3 Deledio, Brett 199 27yr 1mth Midfield
yes 5 Ellis, Brandon 50 20yr 9mth Midfield
yes 24 Griffiths, Benjamin 26 22yr 8mth Defender
yes 2 Grimes, Dylan 31 22yr 10mth Defender
yes 16 Hampson, Shaun 70 26yr 1mth Ruck
yes 14 Houli, Bachar 99 26yr Defender
yes 23 Jackson, Daniel 152 28yr Midfield
yes 35 Lennon, Ben 1 18yr 10mth Forward
yes 20 Maric, Ivan 118 28yr 4mth Ruck
yes 4 Martin, Dustin 94 22yr 10mth Midfield
yes 34 Mcbean, Liam 0 19yr 8mth Forward
yes 36 Mcdonough, Matthew 5 20yr 3mth Forward
yes 38 Morris, Steven 51 25yr 4mth Defender
yes 18 Rance, Alex 92 24yr 7mth Defender
yes 8 Riewoldt, Jack 142 25yr 6mth Forward
yes 29 Vickery, Tyrone 81 23yr 11mth Forward
yes 31 Vlastuin, Nick 26 20yr Defender
yes 43 Elton, Todd 1 21yr Forward
yes 10 Edwards, Shane 137 25yr 6mth Midfield


? 11 Batchelor, Jake 39 22yr 3mth Defender
? 25 Chaplin, Troy 170 28yr 2mth Defender
? 7 Dea, Matthew 24 22yr 7mth Defender
? 41 Foley, Nathan 139 28yr 8mth Midfield
? 39 Gordon, Nathan 7 24yr 3mth Midfield
? 32 Helbig, Bradley 16 22yr 2mth Midfield
? 15 Knights, Chris 101 27yr 7mth Forward
? 42 Lloyd, Sam 5 24yr 2mth Forward
? 25 Miles, Anthony (R) 10 22yr 2mth Midfield
? 45 O'Hanlon, Brett 8 20yr 10mth Forward
? 13 Petterd, Ricky 71 25yr 9mth Defender

no 44 Arnot, Matthew 7 20yr 6mth Midfield
no 18 Banfield, Todd (R) 53 23yr 10mth Forward
no 48 Darrou, Ben (R) 0 20yr 5mth Defender
no 27 Edwards, Aaron 92 30yr 2mth Forward
no 6 Grigg, Shaun 117 26yr Midfield
no 28 King, Jake 107 30yr 1mth Forward
no 33 Mcintosh, Kamdyn 0 20yr 1mth Defender
no 37 Stephenson, Orren (R) 15 31yr 10mth Ruck
no 19 Thomas, Matt (R) 92 27yr 2mth Midfield
no 40 Williams, Cadeyn (R) 0 19yr 9mth Forward
no 1 Newman, Chris 240 32yr Defender

 

[Tiger71]

Agree with you RT but with TB on Arnot staying.

I'm pretty sure Petterd is actually on a 1 year deal. Not too fussed if he stays either tbh as a depth player. Depending what picks we can gather.

I'd be inclined to keep Grimes and try ship Batchelor. Moreso now with Astbury going down.

Agree with all this!

I know our number one pick in this years draft will be on a full or Centre half Back, well thats the mail im hearing atm. Also another priority is outside run and small forwards.

 

[Calcium Man]

Its a 3 moth injury if surgery req. Its just last time it took longer but doesn't mean it will this time.

Same thing could have been said about Foley, Thurdfield or Coughlan. None have come back as valuable members of the team and no where near as close as good as they were pre injury. It sucks for Dave, and it depends on how well he comes back from it over the course of the rest of this season but if its like last time you're just clogging a spot on the list for hope.

 

[living_in_syd]

lol we got chaplin, hampson, houli, and vckery until 2016. even knights, petterd and foley to 2015.

so they arent going anywhere.

 

[Jimmy6019]

Wa

lol we got chaplin, hampson, houli, and vckery until 2016. even knights, petterd and foley to 2015.

so they arent going anywhere.

The thought of watching those spuds running around in Richmond colors for the next few years makes you want to stick pins in your eyes!

 

[theflea]

Same thing could have been said about Foley, Thurdfield or Coughlan. None have come back as valuable members of the team and no where near as close as good as they were pre injury. It sucks for Dave, and it depends on how well he comes back from it over the course of the rest of this season but if its like last time you're just clogging a spot on the list for hope.

Sure but you cant just turf him out because you think it might linger longer than what you expect. I know you said give him a rookie spot but to me that is shitting on him twice.