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Did this one ever get cleared up (i.e. did the AFL notify you or anyone that they had altered the records regarding this)? Presumably the answer is no, because I see it hasn't been changed on AFL Tables. When looking through some of the 1900 games on Trove I saw this and thought it looked familiar, then noticed I had posted about it last October:-

"Arthur Sowden is named in the AFL Tables Melbourne 1900 rd. 10 team lineup, but it seems highly likely he did not play, and that Byers took his place. The Age says they were "without their flyer, Sowden" and "Byers, who made his reappearance with Melbourne after an absence of six weeks". The Argus says "Melbourne had to find substitutes for Sowden," and Byers is said to have played. The Australasian also mentions the absence of Sowden."
In rd. 11 Sowden is named in all 3 papers as having played, but is not in the AFL Tables lineup. As for who shouldn't be there, I don't think any of Byers, Pirrie, Sholl and Strahan were mentioned, so probably one of them, but can't be sure at the moment.

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Have found a couple of variations to lodge for further research relating to Carlton in 1943.

Round 1 match vs Richmond 8 May

Tom Dillon is credited with being in Carlton side, and was named as one of the emergencies in The Age of Friday 7 May.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11345801

Saturday evening issue of Sporting Globe does not mention Dillon but has Reg Morgan listed as 19th man:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181660879


Round 12 match vs Collingwood 31 July

AM "Max" Wilson is credited with being in the Carlton team, and is named as one of the emergencies in The Age 30th July
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206349292

but in the Saturday evening issue of Sporting Globe Wilson is not named and the team list shows 19th man as Williams:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181665757
 

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Have found a couple of variations to lodge for further research relating to Carlton in 1943.

Round 12 match vs Collingwood 31 July

AM "Max" Wilson is credited with being in the Carlton team, and is named as one of the emergencies in The Age 30th July
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206349292

but in the Saturday evening issue of Sporting Globe Wilson is not named and the team list shows 19th man as Williams:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181665757
I wouldn't be surprised if the Sporting Globe simply got their names mixed up with this one, and named Williams instead of Wilson. There was a Williams in the Collingwood line-up that day (also Wilson named as an emergency), while the name Williams didn't appear among four (Carlton) emergencies in The Age and The Argus the day before the game.

Wilson was interviewed quite recently and there's nothing there that suggests he didn't make his debut in the rd. 12 game, he may not have made it onto the field, and apparently considered the rd. 14 game to be his "real debut":- http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-07-09/mac-joins-newt-in-tonup-club

Seven of Wilson’s nine matches for Carlton would be as 19th man. Remarkably, his first and last games would result in 100+-point thrashings of Collingwood and Geelong, and his first full game would be a final.

According to the record books, Wilson followed his captain Jim Francis onto the field for the first time in Round 12, 1943, in what was the match with the black and whites at Victoria Park. Warming the pine as 19th man, Wilson must have sat there in awe as Francis (with eight goals) and Jack Wrout (seven) completed the rout, 28.10 (178) to the black and whites’ 11.8 (74).

It may well be that Mac didn’t get a run in this match, as he cites the Round 14 match versus Essendon at Windy Hill – Francis’ last game - as his first real League foray. As he said: “Arthur Sanger broke his arm and I was 19th man . . . and the first bloke I played on was ‘Dicky’ Reynolds”.


http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1943/030419430731.html

Both The Age and The Argus on the Monday give McInnes 5 goals and Mooring 1, as opposed to the records having 4 and 2, respectively. There's no mention of Wilson/Williams for Carlton:- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/19525670 ||| http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/623647

Edit:- The round 13 1943 Football Record (page 3) says "In Carlton's orgy of goal-getting Jim Frances, their captain, kicked 8, Wrout 7 and Price and Mclnnes 5 each." There couldn't have been that many times in history where 4 players have scored 5 goals+ in a game for the one team, so this is well worth looking into.

Also no mention of Williams in the squad for the next week's game, Wilson seemingly was dropped for the returning Howell. The Argus said Carlton would keep the previous week's team, unless Howell was available (which he was).

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206352625/19525696 ||| http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11783269
 
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Have found a couple of variations to lodge for further research relating to Carlton in 1943.

Round 1 match vs Richmond 8 May

Tom Dillon is credited with being in Carlton side, and was named as one of the emergencies in The Age of Friday 7 May.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11345801

Saturday evening issue of Sporting Globe does not mention Dillon but has Reg Morgan listed as 19th man:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181660879
The Age and The Argus on the following Friday name Tuohill (who played), Green, Dillon and Sleith as the emergencies for the rd. 2 game, with obviously one of them to be 19th man. There's no mention of Morgan.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206851342 ||| http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11342031

The Age said "Carlton will field the same side as last week, with the men in the same positions." From The Argus "Carlton will rely on the same team as last Saturday, although emergen-cies are different."

The emergencies for the rd. 1 game were named by both papers as Price, Dillon, Tuohill and Green. In saying that Carlton would have the same team in again they were presumably referring only to the 18.

Reg Morgan played for Carlton Seconds in the rd. 2 game, ended up in hospital and on the danger list with a ruptured spleen.
http://www.blueseum.org/Reg+Morgan

If you look at the Round 2 1943 Football Record (page 6 - Carlton squad) something has been hand written (then crossed out) regarding Morgan. It says something like "39 - J MORGAN see ??? Record, 19Th MAN v RICH ROUND 1"

What that means, not really sure! R. Morgan is named in the squad (for the rd. 2 game).

Edit:- There was a Jack Morgan at Carlton in 1943, as well as Reg Morgan. Jack came from Geelong and was back there the next year (1944-45 8 games). The note ^ made by the owner of the library copy of the Football Record seemingly refers to him. However, The Age (12 May) says he played Seconds in Round 1:- "The three Geelong players, E. Touhill, A. Rayson and J. Morgan, who were tried with the seconds, played splendidly."
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206848569
 

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A Fitzroy team lineup issue from 1900 which looks pretty straightforward (I'm pretty sure this one hasn't been brought up before!):- Kelly Robinson is in the official team for the Sectional Round 3 game against South Melbourne on 8 September, but it seems Bob Hay actually played.

http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1900/061619000908.html

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9555277 (The Argus 10 September)
M'Speerin's injury kept him out of the team, and Robinson, who was picked, did not attend, and Hay played in his place. A moment after the game began,
however, Hay twisted his ankle, and though he limped about among the forwards till half-time, he did not come out again.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188638896 (The Age 10 September)
The Maroons had Robinson and McSperrin away, the last named suffering from bodily hurt, and the first from an imagined grievance. Hay, who took Robinson's place, ricked his ankle early in the first quarter, and was thenceforward useless, retiring altogether at half-time.

I wonder what the story was with Robinson's "imagined grievance"?!

The Australasian also had Robinson absent and Hay playing:- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139155729
 
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If anyone comes across the scores, goalkickers, best players for Richmond's Reserves 1996 Rd 6 vs Hawthorn, please advise.
Some strange reason I am missing them, though probably just my brain frying and eyes crosseyed.
 

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If anyone comes across the scores, goalkickers, best players for Richmond's Reserves 1996 Rd 6 vs Hawthorn, please advise.
Some strange reason I am missing them, though probably just my brain frying and eyes crosseyed.
You do mean round 9, don't you? Obviously it's not in the Football Record, which makes it a bit tricky. Just looking at the Reserves Premiership Table in the Round 9 & 10 Records and doing the sums:- Hawthorn won the game, 79-57.

That's assuming the For and Against figures in the Record are correct, of course. I don't know where the details you are searching for can be found online.
 

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http://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1943/030419430731.html

Both The Age and The Argus on the Monday give McInnes 5 goals and Mooring 1, as opposed to the records having 4 and 2, respectively. There's no mention of Wilson/Williams for Carlton:- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/19525670 ||| http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/623647

Edit:- The round 13 1943 Football Record (page 3) says "In Carlton's orgy of goal-getting Jim Frances, their captain, kicked 8, Wrout 7 and Price and Mclnnes 5 each." There couldn't have been that many times in history where 4 players have scored 5 goals+ in a game for the one team, so this is well worth looking into.

<snip>
The final edition Sporting Globe that night also credits McInnes with 5 and Mooring with 1.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181665800
 

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The final edition Sporting Globe that night also credits McInnes with 5 and Mooring with 1.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181665800
Thanks a lot for that. I'll send an email to the AFL chaps today regarding this and the Fitzroy, Melbourne and St Kilda 1900 team line-up issues that I've recently raised. I'm not too sure about the St Kilda/McGrath story getting anywhere at this stage, but the others look rather clear cut.

As for this Carlton goalscoring bonanza from 1943, with the next week's Football Record confirming that McInnes did score 5 goals, it seems rather amazing to me that this hasn't been picked up on before. It is indeed a very rare feat for a team to have 4 players kick 5 or more goals in a game. From what I've read elsewhere it's only happened twice - Hawthorn vs. Fitzroy in 1991 rd. 6 at North Hobart Oval was one, I'm not sure about the other. Anyone happen to know?
 

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Round 13 - 13 Aug 1898 Collingwood v St. Kilda
George Calleson is listed in the Collingwood players for this match.
Reports of the match indicate he was injured in the warm up and did not play.

The Argus http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9846874
Calleson, who was injured some time ago, intended to play in the match, and was stripped, but while kicking, just before the game started, he injured his knee again and had to be helped off the ground, so that it is unlikely that he will take the risks of again attempting the game.”

The Australasian http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138603355
“Collingwood had intended playing Calleson in this match as his injured leg was thought to be all right; and, as a matter of fact, he went out with the team. A preliminary kick before the play began, however, wrenched the joint afresh, and he had to be helped back to the pavilion.”

While it is possible he wasn't replaced in the team by a fit player this would seem unlikely (and reports don't say anything about Collingwood playing one man short). Unfortunately games against St. Kilda in 1898 are generally not reported in detail so I haven't found anything to identify who actually played.
 

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Round 13 - 13 Aug 1898 Collingwood v St. Kilda
George Calleson is listed in the Collingwood players for this match.
Reports of the match indicate he was injured in the warm up and did not play.

The Argus http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9846874
Calleson, who was injured some time ago, intended to play in the match, and was stripped, but while kicking, just before the game started, he injured his knee again and had to be helped off the ground, so that it is unlikely that he will take the risks of again attempting the game.”

The Australasian http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138603355
“Collingwood had intended playing Calleson in this match as his injured leg was thought to be all right; and, as a matter of fact, he went out with the team. A preliminary kick before the play began, however, wrenched the joint afresh, and he had to be helped back to the pavilion.”

While it is possible he wasn't replaced in the team by a fit player this would seem unlikely (and reports don't say anything about Collingwood playing one man short). Unfortunately games against St. Kilda in 1898 are generally not reported in detail so I haven't found anything to identify who actually played.
This is from The Mercury and Weekly Courier, Friday 19 August 1898:- "The familiar form of George Calleson was hailed with pleasure as he stepped into the arena, after an enforced absence of some time. George was much needed in the finals, and great things were expected of him, but before the bell rung for the start he was led off the field, his leg having given away again, rendering him hors de combat for the rest of the season."

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/58572863

Again, it doesn't indicate whether or not he was replaced in the team.
 

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I've had a reply earlier today via Michael Lovett that Col Hutchinson and Stephen Rodgers had checked on Brookes and agree that Norman did not play any games for St Kilda in the VFL at all.

They believe that it was his brother Harold who played the two games in 1898 previously credited to Norman.

Given the research which was published in this thread a few weeks ago, I'm not completely convinced that Brooks/Brookes played a second game so more needs to be found I reckon.
For anyone needing to know this bit of information:- Harold Brookes born 06/04/1876.
 

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Round 4 - 28 May 1898 Carlton v Geelong
Cecil Sandford is listed in the Geelong players for this match. Reports of the match indicate that Bert Barling played instead.

The Geelong Advertiser http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article150372825
“The team included H. McShane, who had stood out for a couple of Saturdays through indisposition, R. Walker and Barling, the latter having to be played although not quite recovered from the injuries he received in the Collingwood match. Sam Brockwell was the principal absentee, and his loss was severely felt. Leahy, Sandford and Coles were also absent.”

The Argus http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9835936
Dore and Barling, on the wing, were always clever”

The Age http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article191491727
"on the wings, Barling, Dore and H. M'Shane played brilliantly"
 

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For anyone needing to know this bit of information:- Harold Brookes born 06/04/1876.
Yes, that confirms Harold is brother of Norman. Very useful for family history.

Unfortunately, the AFL staff have so far not commented on our earlier research which was passed on to them at least 2-3 weeks ago.
That research almost certainly confirms that no player named Brooks/Brookes played for St Kilda in the second match, yet they apparently continue to credit Harold Brookes with both games. Mind you, the press reports on the first of the two games list a Brooks as kicking two goals, but I've seen no information to confirm his initial or given name.
 
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I've heard from the AFL folks already regarding the 1900 team line-ups and 1943 Carlton goalscoring issues that I've raised recently. Here's the main part from the email:-

We are now convinced that all your claims relating to 1900 are correct. We will amend our records accordingly.

After examining all the reports relating to St Kilda in Round 15, 1900, we are convinced that McGrath played and that McNabb was either a misprint or a pseudonym for McGrath. Therefore, McNabb was a non-existent player.

We maintain that Carlton's goalscorers in Round 12, 1943, including McInnes (4) and Mooring (2) should remain unaltered. We have attached Carlton Secretary, Harry, Bell's official round by round account for the relevant season.

We suspect that a goal may have been scored in a scrimmage or near the goal-line and the identity of the player may have been initially unclear. Surely, Harry would have checked with McInnes and Mooring after the match.

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The Carlton story didn't turn out to be a winner. Especially as the next week's Football Record credited McInnes with 5 goals I find this more than a bit surprising, but such is life! There are three changes to be made to 1900 team line-ups, regarding Fitzroy, Melbourne and St Kilda. Details can be found in posts # 474, 475 and 480. To those who keep a database and don't enjoy the task of removing someone from the records, it seems McNabb of St Kilda has gone from a one-game player to someone who never played, so have fun with that!

I've forwarded the email to Paul at AFL Tables.
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I've heard from the AFL folks already regarding the 1900 team line-ups and 1943 Carlton goalscoring issues that I've raised recently. Here's the main part from the email:-
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We maintain that Carlton's goalscorers in Round 12, 1943, including McInnes (4) and Mooring (2) should remain unaltered. We have attached Carlton Secretary, Harry, Bell's official round by round account for the relevant season.

We suspect that a goal may have been scored in a scrimmage or near the goal-line and the identity of the player may have been initially unclear. Surely, Harry would have checked with McInnes and Mooring after the match.

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The Carlton story didn't turn out to be a winner. Especially as the next week's Football Record credited McInnes with 5 goals I find this more than a bit surprising, but such is life! There are three changes to be made to 1900 team line-ups, regarding Fitzroy, Melbourne and St Kilda. Details can be found in posts # 474, 475 and 480. To those who keep a database and don't enjoy the task of removing someone from the records, it seems McNabb of St Kilda has gone from a one-game player to someone who never played, so have fun with that!
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The Harry Bell document is the same one sent to me with AFL trying to justify the "Round 1 - Dillon was 19th, not Morgan" decision which we've discussed here recently. In my response to them I noted that Carlton played 16 matches in 1943 and with 19 players per match the "Games Total" column should add up to 304 - it only adds up to 297.

Not too easy to work out when Bell compiled the document, but it certainly isn't done in chronological order from the start of the season. Indeed, I think it was typed up after the season is over, or possibly even some years later. Note that R Hines is quite high up the list even though he didn't play first game until 14 August. Gneil and Sanger, who played in the first match of the year on 8 May, are quite near the bottom of the list.

AND the Football Record for the first semi-final of 1943 has a list of leading goalkickers on page 10 of that issue - McInnes is credited with 27 and Mooring with 23 goals for the season. That shows the VFL officials were compiling the list with McInnes kicking 5 and Mooring 1, not 4 and 2 as the present AFL staff insist on.
 

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The Harry Bell document is the same one sent to me with AFL trying to justify the "Round 1 - Dillon was 19th, not Morgan" decision which we've discussed here recently. In my response to them I noted that Carlton played 16 matches in 1943 and with 19 players per match the "Games Total" column should add up to 304 - it only adds up to 297.

Not too easy to work out when Bell compiled the document, but it certainly isn't done in chronological order from the start of the season. Indeed, I think it was typed up after the season is over, or possibly even some years later. Note that R Hines is quite high up the list even though he didn't play first game until 14 August. Gneil and Sanger, who played in the first match of the year on 8 May, are quite near the bottom of the list.

AND the Football Record for the first semi-final of 1943 has a list of leading goalkickers on page 10 of that issue - McInnes is credited with 27 and Mooring with 23 goals for the season. That shows the VFL officials were compiling the list with McInnes kicking 5 and Mooring 1, not 4 and 2 as the present AFL staff insist on.
I had only just started looking through the Football Records from later on that year to see if McInnes' season tally was given, but hadn't got as far as that one. I do find the AFL explanation rather hard to accept, surely the Record would have been notified soon enough by someone if the figure(s) they (and the newspapers) had was incorrect.

Regarding the "Games Total" tally I had also been planning on looking into that further but hadn't done so, I did notice though that Wilson was only counted as having played 4 games, with his 19th man "appearance" (when he no doubt didn't make it onto the field) apparently ignored (I see the same was done with Clark, Dillon, Green, McLean, Tudor and Tuohill), so that should explain the discrepancy.

As for when it was typed up, you can see that the first 22 names are of those who scored goals, they are (almost) in alphabetical order, the remaining 10 names are of players who didn't score (also in alphabetical order), so it was obviously not done until the end of the season at the earliest.
 
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The individual season-by-season tallies of goals for players have more "variations."

Have found that for Carlton lists - 1944, 1945 and 1946 - the official record is different to tallies shown
in Stephen Rodgers "100 Years of AFL Players - 1937 to 1976".

And the South Melbourne list for 1944 has numerous differences too !

Will check through Trove and post research results in next day or so.
 

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I've heard from the AFL folks already regarding the 1900 team line-ups and 1943 Carlton goalscoring issues that I've raised recently. Here's the main part from the email:-
Thanks for this, and apologies for not getting back to you quicker but I didn't get the tag notification. Was that an official view on who didn't play in Round 11?
 

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Thanks for this, and apologies for not getting back to you quicker but I didn't get the tag notification. Was that an official view on who didn't play in Round 11?
No, that certainly wasn't an official view on who didn't play in Round 11. I probably shouldn't have "bothered you" with the Round 10/11 story (you are talking about post #476, I presume), but I just noticed it when going through some of that year's games, and remembered that it was one I had notified the AFL about, but hadn't heard anything from them regarding their findings on who had/hadn't played. So I simply asked if you had ever heard anything yourself. As it seems to be another case where changes had to be made it would be nice to know what (if anything) was done.

Harold Rippon in and Les Rippon out from the 1900 Round 1 team are the only Melbourne related changes to be made of those just approved by the AFL.
 

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Thanks for this, and apologies for not getting back to you quicker but I didn't get the tag notification. Was that an official view on who didn't play in Round 11?
I've decided to send this one through to the AFL again (along with a fair few other issues I raised on page 9 of this thread, in case there's been some mix-up somewhere).

Edit:- I've finally found what I was looking for!! I did get something back from the AFL regarding this on December 8 of last year, and posted the following here on that day:-

I've just received an email from Steve Rodgers in response to my request for an update on the status of the "investigation" into these issues and here's the relevant part of it:-

I'm at the AFL now, and for some reason we're super-busy - like mid-season!

Let me just say, all those discrepancies you brought up a month to 6 weeks ago - well, the amendments have all been made! They just need, now, to 'filter through', into the records - the ones you see. That may or may not be, before Xmas - but you'll definitely notice them.

(I just can't put my hands on them now - but you know what I mean; St K, Melb, Uni, Fitz - definitely those. Also bits and pieces Col has added. )

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So it appears quite a few changes were made (related to the many issues I brought up on page 9) but they've not been summed up anywhere that I can see. I don't really get what S. Rodgers meant when he said "into the records - the ones you see." It's not like the Historical Statistics site is still out there, or at least able to be accessed by the public.

Perhaps you may wish to contact the AFL and ask them to clarify what changes (if any) were made to the Melbourne line-ups for rounds 10 & 11 1900. I decided not to send another email once I discovered that there had been a response (of sorts) regarding those issues.
 
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The individual season-by-season tallies of goals for players have more "variations."

Have found that for Carlton lists - 1944, 1945 and 1946 - the official record is different to tallies shown
in Stephen Rodgers "100 Years of AFL Players - 1937 to 1976".

And the South Melbourne list for 1944 has numerous differences too !

Will check through Trove and post research results in next day or so.
Here are the possible changes for at least one match per year for Carlton goalkickers 1944-45-46.

13 May 1944 Rnd 2 Carlton vs Hawthorn
AFL has Mooring 4, Turner 1.

Argus, Age and Sporting Globe have Mooring 3, Turner 2

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11825189

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206782756

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/181050536

and the VFL Record the next week in listing the leading goalkickers on page 7 shows Mooring with 7 (therefore having his Rnd 2 tally as 3 - kicked 4 in Rnd 1)

http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/118806

26 May 1945 Rnd 6 Carlton vs Collingwood
AFL has Price 4, Mooring 2

Argus, Age, Sporting Globe have Price 3, Mooring 3

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1101487

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204026050

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/189780624

and the VFL Record the next week in firstly match review and then listing the leading goalkickers on pages 19 and 20 shows Mooring with (3 goals for match) and progressive tally of 14 for season. [AFL progress tally would be 13].

http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/124158

4 May 1946 Rnd 3 Carlton vs Hawthorn
AFL has Baxter 5, R McLean 2

Argus, Age, Sporting Globe have Baxter 6, McLean 1

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22254641

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/19533956

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178111711

and the VFL Record the next week in reviewing the games and leading goalkicker tallies on pages 10 and 18 also credits Baxter with kicking six goals, not five.

http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/124203
 

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Sectional Round 2 - 3 Sep 1898 St Kilda v Melbourne
Ted Hall is not in the official record as having played for St Kilda.

The Australasian http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138604343 when describing St Kilda's better players:
“Hall showed much better form back in the second half than he had shown in the centre against Lewis prior to the interval."

Players I haven't found mentioned in match reports but listed as playing are: Harry Aylwin, Tom Fogarty, George May, George Morgan, Alf Parker, George Stewart, Jim Warne and Fred Whitelaw.

Tricky to identify players as this match received scant press coverage, but almost certainly an error in the official record.
 

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Sectional Round 2 - 3 Sep 1898 St Kilda v Melbourne
Ted Hall is not in the official record as having played for St Kilda.

The Australasian http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138604343 when describing St Kilda's better players:
“Hall showed much better form back in the second half than he had shown in the centre against Lewis prior to the interval."

Players I haven't found mentioned in match reports but listed as playing are: Harry Aylwin, Tom Fogarty, George May, George Morgan, Alf Parker, George Stewart, Jim Warne and Fred Whitelaw.

Tricky to identify players as this match received scant press coverage, but almost certainly an error in the official record.
Porter, May and Parker are mentioned in The Herald, Friday Sep. 9 as having played well the week before:- https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=EVKlETVVbN8C&dat=18980909&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Hall is named in the St Kilda squad, but there's about 25 names altogether:- https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=EVKlETVVbN8C&dat=18980902&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Hall is named as having played well in The Argus (5 Sep. 1898):- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9850076

It seems almost certain that he did play. He was in the team the match before and the one after, he (officially speaking) played every game in 1898 except this one, yet he wasn't mentioned around then as an 'in' or an 'out' when he surely should have been if he missed this game. Finding who needs to go out of the side looks to be the harder task!
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The Australasian a week later names Sparr as having played well for St Kilda in the Sectional Round 3 game vs. Geelong. I presume this must be an error, unless it was a player using a pseudonym, as there was noone with that name around at the time, and none of the other papers give Sparr a mention.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138604648
 

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