Sorry mate, missed that important bit! This has Lyons playing in the Seconds on the same day: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205126473But did Lyons or Allison move in to the 19?
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Sorry mate, missed that important bit! This has Lyons playing in the Seconds on the same day: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205126473But did Lyons or Allison move in to the 19?
I'm (still) not sure at all of what is correct, and I'd say it needs further looking into!Ah ha! Good get.
FWIW, the Sporting Globe also had Lyons playing in the main game.
Mayblooms Return To Best Form - Sporting Globe (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954) - 20 Aug 1938
In a dull and uninteresting game, Hawthorn showed good race to hold control during the game at the Glenferrie oval. The ...trove.nla.gov.au
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I thought the official records must have reason for giving it to Allison, not Lyons. Perhaps the Seconds game is that reason.
The Sporting Globe also gives Lyons a goal (and 2 to A. Albiston):Ah ha! Good get.
FWIW, the Sporting Globe also had Lyons playing in the main game.
Mayblooms Return To Best Form - Sporting Globe (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954) - 20 Aug 1938
In a dull and uninteresting game, Hawthorn showed good race to hold control during the game at the Glenferrie oval. The ...trove.nla.gov.au
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I thought the official records must have reason for giving it to Allison, not Lyons. Perhaps the Seconds game is that reason.
Okay. Spreadsheet updated. AFL TABLES/WIKIPEDIA/AUST FOOT/BLUESEUM/DEMONWIKI will need to make respective changes
Spreadsheet can be viewed here, as well as back on Post 1 (make sure you go to 2020 changes tab at the bottom)
AFL has accepted all the recommended changes EXCEPT FOR :
entry 25: Rd 1931 Stkilda players changes. That will not be changed, as StK registry book disagrees
entry 69 + 70: Frank Diver Dunne DOB, and the Frank Dunne/Ernie Dunne changes will not be changed. Long story short old R.H Campbell sheet and AFL Clearance book shows F.C Dunne as player.
For any disputes relating to that, best to DM me, rather than we have a discussion directly in this thread.
Please also note important AFL tidbits as listed in column AFL RESPONSE relating to
entry 41: J.L. Lou Jackson
entry 43 : Jim Morton
entry 62: Fred Morgan
entry 63 Jack Wood
ACTION ITEM: Whoever is our Wikipedia corrector, will need to make changes particularly to those above 4 entries, and obviously as well as the other iteams on the list. I have forgotten who our Wikipedia correct is.
*Paul* the croucher WhiteHartLane23 35Daicos stemline Oliver Gigacz RedmanWasHere Supermercado ThePope and anyone else I have forgtten
Ray Whelan is credited with one game for Hawthorn in 1945 - however he was playing for Sturt on that day so cannot be the playerHey WhiteHartLane23 will you do a Ray/Russell Whelan summary?
Can this be shared? Are Gary and Dale Holmes on that spreadsheet?Col H's spreadsheet of VFL/AFL families also reflects this
Have sent it to you via message.... but the answer is no - they are not on the listCan this be shared? Are Gary and Dale Holmes on that spreadsheet?
Egli is East of AmherstMore trouble with the early VFL records, I fear. Online listings for the Carlton players in the inaugural VFL season of 1897 have a Jack Frost identified with DOB 29 Dec 1870 and DOD 8 Jul 1935. Ancestry family trees indicate these are the life span dates for a Robert William Frost, son of Charles and Sarah (nee Fisk).
His birth was registered in the “Egli” [not sure what that stands for] district of Victoria (#13/1871)
There are three older siblings born in Vic, but his five younger siblings are born in NSW, a number of births and later deaths of family members occurring in or near Parkes, NSW.
RW marries Ida Florence Ward on 15 March 1899, in the Parkes reg district, and a large family arrives over the years, all being born in that town. RW Frost died in Parkes district on 8 July 1935.
All that I’ve seen so far suggests that at a very young age RW Frost moved to country NSW with his family and spent most if not all of his remaining life in or near the Parkes district.
Therefore, in my opinion, the Frost who plays for Carlton in 1897 is an entirely different (and as yet unidentified) person. Would be interested in thoughts of others about this matter.
John Thomas Frost 1872-1943 born MalvernMore trouble with the early VFL records, I fear. Online listings for the Carlton players in the inaugural VFL season of 1897 have a Jack Frost identified with DOB 29 Dec 1870 and DOD 8 Jul 1935. Ancestry family trees indicate these are the life span dates for a Robert William Frost, son of Charles and Sarah (nee Fisk).
His birth was registered in the “Egli” [not sure what that stands for] district of Victoria (#13/1871)
There are three older siblings born in Vic, but his five younger siblings are born in NSW, a number of births and later deaths of family members occurring in or near Parkes, NSW.
RW marries Ida Florence Ward on 15 March 1899, in the Parkes reg district, and a large family arrives over the years, all being born in that town. RW Frost died in Parkes district on 8 July 1935.
All that I’ve seen so far suggests that at a very young age RW Frost moved to country NSW with his family and spent most if not all of his remaining life in or near the Parkes district.
Therefore, in my opinion, the Frost who plays for Carlton in 1897 is an entirely different (and as yet unidentified) person. Would be interested in thoughts of others about this matter.
Matthew Wall, kicked a goal with his first kick, in Rd 1 1980.
He doesn't seem to be on the AFL's list.
The Age clearly notes it (and Wall himself wrote about it a letter to the club Museum many years ago which I have unearthed)
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