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Has there ever been research done on the proportion of voters that have preferences following How To Vote cards? Obviously a big deal where parties list each other but there surely must still be significant amounts of voters that don't follow them.
I think it depends on party. I've heard Green to Labour preferences are usually around 85% ish, whereas Liberal preferences seem to split more evenly between ALP and Green in seats like Melbourne (I think).
 

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The Greens cant take it
Danbys preferences went to the Libs on his Card
Didn't Labor HQ slap him down over a week before the election? There's no way he was handing out his own HTVs on Saturday... is there?

While I don't doubt he'd be spiteful enough to do it, there isn't a Labor volunteer in Melbourne who would've agreed to handing out HTVF other than Labors official cards.
 

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Didn't Labor HQ slap him down over a week before the election? There's no way he was handing out his own HTVs on Saturday... is there?

While I don't doubt he'd be spiteful enough to do it, there isn't a Labor volunteer in Melbourne who would've agreed to handing out HTVF other than Labors official cards.
Pretty sure he mainly handed them out at pre-polls. I certainly got a HTV card preferencing the greens. His argument of "I won't go to preferences anyway so it doesn't matter" was particularly bizarre
 

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Who the hell votes according to how to vote cards?
There's plenty of party members & hardcore supporters who do; up to 20% decide on the day who they're voting for and at least base them around the HTV.

It'd be more than you'd expect I reckon. I've not done it a lot, and I never follow HTVs in the Senate, but I believed strongly enough in a candidate this year that I followed the lower house HTV.
 

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So are we a democracy or just a mob?
and what happens if it ended up being a wrongful conviction? You've allowed the assault (and stripping of human rights) of an innocent man.
I'm looking at repeat offenders, or those who the judge calls clear scum. Willing for some innocents to be possibly sacrificed. For example Jill meagher family should have had opportunities to smash that campaigner Bayly. Repeat sex offender who dumbcampaigner parole board kept letting out.
 

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Willing for some innocents to be possibly sacrificed.
That's disgusting.

That's someone career, future prospects, their friendships all gone.

That's family who could be impacted, kids bullied etc.

One of the central tenets of the British legal system that ours is based on is Blackstone's Ratio - that ten guilty men should go free before one innocent man suffers.

The notion that you are apparently so fast and loose with people's Liberty, and so happy to see innocent people suffer is outrageous.
 

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That's disgusting.

That's someone career, future prospects, their friendships all gone.

That's family who could be impacted, kids bullied etc.

One of the central tenets of the British legal system that ours is based on is Blackstone's Ratio - that ten guilty men should go free before one innocent man suffers.

The notion that you are apparently so fast and loose with people's Liberty, and so happy to see innocent people suffer is outrageous.
Did you see the types I was looking at? It's in lieu of having capital punishment and may give some satisfaction for victims of crime. And I'm not expecting it to be frequent (Andrew Bayly levels of non rehabilitate and taxpayers wastage - cheaper to shoot the ******)
 

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Did you see the types I was looking at? It's in lieu of having capital punishment and may give some satisfaction for victims of crime. And I'm not expecting it to be frequent (Andrew Bayly levels of non rehabilitate and taxpayers wastage - cheaper to shoot the goose)
I did read what you said - including your own words "Willing for some innocents to be possibly sacrificed."

Which is what I was responding to.

I wonder whether you've ever been a victim of a serious crime. While I wouldn't profess to tell anyone how to feel, cos there are invariably exceptions to the norm - victims of crime (or their relatives) are rarely ever motivated by revenge. They're motivated by a sense of justice.

Your crazy suggestions of victims carrying out corporal punishment will only **** them up further, it'll turn them into potential criminals themselves, and it will give them no sense of justice.
 
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No. Cultural background is part Malaysian and grew up on stories of state sanctioned corporal punishment. There's too much an the touchy feely side and not enough Punitive.
Being punitive does not mean sacrificing the rule of law.
 

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No. Cultural background is part Malaysian and grew up on stories of state sanctioned corporal punishment. There's too much an the touchy feely side and not enough Punitive.
Bondage and discipline is definitely your go. Sadism or masochism will satisfy your punitive fetish, if it hasn't already. Have you always been a violent person?
 

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I did read what you said - including your own words "Willing for some innocents to be possibly sacrificed."

Which is what I was responding to.

I wonder whether you've ever been a victim of a serious crime. While I wouldn't profess to tell anyone how to feel, cos there are invariably exceptions to the norm - victims of crime (or their relatives) are rarely ever motivated by revenge. They're motivated by a sense of justice.

Your crazy suggestions of victims carrying out corporal punishment will only **** them up further, it'll turn them into potential criminals themselves, and it will give them no sense of justice.
I wouldn't force them to do it, but I wouldn't hold them back - I think recently there was a father who was restrained from attacking his son or daughters assailant - who had been found guilty. Maybe I'm Old Testament about the eye for an eye; and you are right that I've not been a victim myself beyond drug ****** patients trying to take a swing at me.
 

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Your suggestion was basically to allow the family of victims of certain crimes to have free, individual reign over the punishment of the criminal.
Sorry, I have worded it poorly. I meant it as a court sanctioned single opportunity where the judge deems the offence to the victim severe.

Many apologies to all if others read it the way you did - I understand where a lot of the negative response is coming from now.
 
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Sorry, I have worded it poorly. I meant it as a court sanctioned single opportunity where the judge deems the offence to the victim severe.

Many apologies to all if others read it the way you did - I understand where a lot of the negative response is coming from now.
That's still something that belongs in North Korea.
 
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