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Who the hell votes according to how to vote cards?
As has been said not many in this thread , but a quick think would suggest with 5-6 options there are only so many ways you can put the opposite '' big '' party last :D

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They went to the Greens in Jewish districts and Labor elsewhere. The impression I got was that most of them went to the Greens but say 20 or 30% of the cards said Liberals. I would expect greens to get most of the roughly 6% 'other' vote as well from animal rights, Hemp and marriage equality. Then say 70% of Danby's preferences is very gettable IMO.
Hope so
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The Coalition won't form government without the cross benches. That means they will need McGowan's vote at some point in time.

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And with the dirty grubby campaign the Liberals ran against her in Indi, they may have cut off their nose to spite their face.
 

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And with the dirty grubby campaign the Liberals ran against her in Indi, they may have cut off their nose to spite their face.
Which means she will get to extract her pound of flesh from the Liberals over and over again when they continue to come calling.

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Is it time to consider a maximum age to enter politics?
Hinch is apparently 70 and will sit as a Senator for 3/6 years. (Nothing against Hinch BTW).
i;d say the cut off should be retirement age, but with the direction that's headed, dead people could end up elected.
 

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This opinion article is a good read:

http://abc.net.au/news/2016-07-04/v...igns-were-there,-we-just-ignored-them/7566122

Three cheers for democracy, I say. The people won't stand for a return to the world of a hundred or a thousand years ago. A world where the minority at the top would earn almost all the riches and benefits of human endeavour, and the majority (who often work even harder) are left with the scraps. As my grandfather always said, 'Everyone gets one vote. The poor person at the bottom has the same say as the big boss at the top.'
 

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You should at least let them reach retirement age and maybe one year of benefits, so cruel.
I'd reduce retirement age! Can retire at 64, one year to blow your savings and stimulate the economy before kicking the bucket. Can only pass on a max of $100k to each child and grandchild.

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In all seriousness, the Liberals are so divided does anyone think they really want to be in power? One third of them - at least - are programmed to criticise and they can do it up hill and down dale in Opposition without having to worry about the fact they've got few ideas to effectively improve Australian policy.
I suspect it was, and Shorten realised it was now or never, and rolled the dice.
Shorten is of Labor Right and Albanese Labor Left. The reason, I think, that Shorten got so much of the caucus vote last Labor election was because Gillard was of the left and MPs thought it was either the right's turn or else that Gillard's time in charge was evidence that the left aren't quite economically sharp enough. The departure of Lindsay Tanner I think was a big blow in that respect.

I'm sure some of the left thought as you do (that Shorten would get them part of the way and then it would be the left's turn again), but there's no way that was Labor's overall plan. The Labor Right is Hawke and Keating's patch - their most electable version. The left are emboldened after all the economic ****-ups we've had recently have shown the general public that economic liberalism has major problems, but the population hasn't shifted far enough to make it an electable option (see Corbyn and Sanders overseas).

Albanese was never a hope of taking over. Labor's stability means people are taking them seriously and looking at their policies. Policy is where Labor has done better than the Libs for almost a decade and so long as people look at that, they should romp it in IMO. No first term government has been dumped since 1931 or something. There's still a decent chance that may happen. Kim Carr, of Labor's left, 8pm on election night, was singing to the hills about how well Shorten had done. Those on the left may have been thinking they could challenge if the result was bad, but it was good. That's democracy.
 
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