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An interesting point to me is that if the Libs weren't in Coalition, they couldn't govern in their own right and now that the Nats may have gained an extra seat, either a new position needs to be created or someone will be dropped.
Fun times ahead in politics I think.
 

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An interesting point to me is that if the Libs weren't in Coalition, they couldn't govern in their own right and now that the Nats may have gained an extra seat, either a new position needs to be created or someone will be dropped.
Fun times ahead in politics I think.
Exactly.

The election of Drum creates a problem for whoever the Liberal leader is.
 

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I Imagine you would be pro Euthanasia then?
A lovely dinner and a bottle of red and a couple of pills. It's good for Australia.

Please note i'd have exemptions for myself and family members (of my choosing). Not all are created equal after all.

I imagine this could be a hard sell.
 

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I just find the Libs front bench so uninspiring, seriously lack any talent, not much on the back bench either.
The trouble with the libs is that they were pulled to far right by a decade of Howard, and Abbott took them even further right, that the people they invested in and gave opportunity to are all massive douche canoes without any genuine talent, and are all extremely unlikable outside of their base.
 

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I just find the Libs front bench so uninspiring, seriously lack any talent, not much on the back bench either.
There's a few good people but not many. Too many ideologues. Angus Taylor should be promoted to the front bench, along with a few other good (younger) talents, but the cupboard is fairly bare.

I'll admit that I voted lib in both houses this election (it was a close run thing) but if they move Turnbull on and replace him with a more conservative PM then I'll be left wondering why I didn't vote labor. The conservative elements of the party are a cancer on it IMO, I was almost swayed towards Labor for the first time ever this election and if the Libs keep moving right I think by the next election I will be.
 

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Why did you stop at one? Abetz, Dutton, Andrews, Brandis, Morrison (where is he incidentally), Cormann, Hunt, Chrissy, etc etc. Not going to name the Nats, headache time.
Probably because she is the one who seems to escape most scrutiny
She made a fool of herself on Saturday night and again has escaped scrutiny over her remarks
 

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The first thing the Libs can do is move the nutjobs away from positions..so out goes Brandis, Abetz....

The younger talent thing could be the go.

Move Sukkar into a more senior role and Tony Smith.
Make Drum Sports Minister.
 

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There's a few good people but not many. Too many ideologues. Angus Taylor should be promoted to the front bench, along with a few other good (younger) talents, but the cupboard is fairly bare.

I'll admit that I voted lib in both houses this election (it was a close run thing) but if they move Turnbull on and replace him with a more conservative PM then I'll be left wondering why I didn't vote labor. The conservative elements of the party are a cancer on it IMO, I was almost swayed towards Labor for the first time ever this election and if the Libs keep moving right I think by the next election I will be.
The right think their policies (as overseen by Howard) delivered success and good times to Australia, when in reality they squandered the unprecedented wealth generated during that time thanks to the mining and housing boom, and selling off of assets, and left us holding the can when the economy turned to shit.
 

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As long as the Libs hang their hat on Howard they can't move forward as they need to. History will be far kinder to the Rudd/Gillard government, even Paul Kelly admitted it was a success, than the Howard years. It's taken less than ten years to see Howard's alleged legacy to be pulled to pieces.
 

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Is it time to consider a maximum age to enter politics?
Hinch is apparently 70 and will sit as a Senator for 3/6 years. (Nothing against Hinch BTW).
Hillary is going to be 69 when the US election is held later this year, if it is ok for the US to elect a President at 69 then I see no issue with a Senator in Australia at 70.
 

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Basically the right faction of the Liberal Party killed them this election as Turnbull had to run away from all the moderate policies that made him popular. If Turnbull was allowed to have a vote for same sex marriage or he was allowed to admit climate change was real he would have won this election comfortably.
 

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The first thing the Libs can do is move the nutjobs away from positions..so out goes Brandis, Abetz....

The younger talent thing could be the go.

Move Sukkar into a more senior role and Tony Smith.
Make Drum Sports Minister.
What happens when you don't have enough sane people in the party so you have to appoint a nutjob?
 

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What happens when you don't have enough sane people in the party so you have to appoint a nutjob?
There were plenty of sane(r) people in the Liberal Party. The problem is they don't have the influence or the backing of the right.

My local representative is Michael Keenan, it's a safe Lib seat now (he turned it from a marginal a few elections ago), popular local member, Justice Minister and from most reports a level head on his shoulders. However, will probably never get a more senior Cabinet position, much less leadership discussions. But they still insist on Bernardi and Abetz and Cormann to do the talking.
 

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Hillary is going to be 69 when the US election is held later this year, if it is ok for the US to elect a President at 69 then I see no issue with a Senator in Australia at 70.
Forgot about her, but the same question remains, should age be a factor? I suppose it depends on the person as both Derryn and Hilary seem on the ball.
Isn't the view now that 70 is really the old 50 given medical advances?
 

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The Coalition won't form government without the cross benches. That means they will need McGowan's vote at some point in time.

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Dunno why people think McGowan is going to be a massive thorn in the side for the government. She's hardly in their pocket, but she does represent a Coalition-leaning electorate and her voting record reflects that.

http://www.cathymcgowan.com.au/cathy_mcgowan_stands_by_voting_record_representing_indi

Voting record – (November 2013-May 2016)
547 bills presented to House of Representatives
475 passed by the House of Representatives
432 occasions voted with Government (on the voices and by division), 32 occasions with Opposition.
9 occasions voted against Government and opposition
 
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The right think their policies (as overseen by Howard) delivered success and good times to Australia, when in reality they squandered the unprecedented wealth generated during that time thanks to the mining and housing boom, and selling off of assets, and left us holding the can when the economy turned to shit.
Housing boom was the worst part for me. The Liberals did it because they wanted people to only think about their hip pocket and having a massive mortgage increases the chances of that. But effectively we took 7 years of prosperity and shoved half of it into saying that our houses were worth more on paper.

What a waste.

There were plenty of sane(r) people in the Liberal Party. The problem is they don't have the influence or the backing of the right.

My local representative is Michael Keenan, it's a safe Lib seat now (he turned it from a marginal a few elections ago), popular local member, Justice Minister and from most reports a level head on his shoulders. However, will probably never get a more senior Cabinet position, much less leadership discussions. But they still insist on Bernardi and Abetz and Cormann to do the talking.
Did you see his ridiculous fight with Anne Aly over her Liberal-government-funded deradicalisation work? He is happy to spout stupid rhetoric, like so many Liberals. Sinodinos has a level head, but it far too "allegedly corrupt". Frydenburg seems OK to me, as does Cormann and Marise Payne. There may be a few others on the backbench, but the Liberals seem to be majorly lacking in talent to me.
The Greens cant take it
Danbys preferences went to the Libs on his Card
I took HTV cards for the first time this election just to see what they had to say about all the people in the Senate (given in the past it was just 'put 1 here'). Both Labor and the Greens had 'Science/Cyclists' party in their list which was surprising. Surprisingly the Greens in the HoR didn't recommend anything after putting themselves #1. Lazy Greens. :)
the ghost of Lyenko Urbanchich still walks the party room
Wow, I'd never heard of him. Gotta love someone who's main defence against being a bit pro-Nazi is the fact they never wore the Uniform.
 

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In all seriousness, the Liberals are so divided does anyone think they really want to be in power? One third of them - at least - are programmed to criticise and they can do it up hill and down dale in Opposition without having to worry about the fact they've got few ideas to effectively improve Australian policy.

Shorten is of Labor Right and Albanese Labor Left. The reason, I think, that Shorten got so much of the caucus vote last Labor election was because Gillard was of the left and MPs thought it was either the right's turn or else that Gillard's time in charge was evidence that the left aren't quite economically sharp enough. The departure of Lindsay Tanner I think was a big blow in that respect.

I'm sure some of the left thought as you do (that Shorten would get them part of the way and then it would be the left's turn again), but there's no way that was Labor's overall plan. The Labor Right is Hawke and Keating's patch - their most electable version. The left are emboldened after all the economic ****-ups we've had recently have shown the general public that economic liberalism has major problems, but the population hasn't shifted far enough to make it an electable option (see Corbyn and Sanders overseas).

Albanese was never a hope of taking over. Labor's stability means people are taking them seriously and looking at their policies. Policy is where Labor has done better than the Libs for almost a decade and so long as people look at that, they should romp it in IMO. No first term government has been dumped since 1931 or something. There's still a decent chance that may happen. Kim Carr, of Labor's left, 8pm on election night, was singing to the hills about how well Shorten had done. Those on the left may have been thinking they could challenge if the result was bad, but it was good. That's democracy.
Traditionally, the Labor leader in the lower house is of the right faction, with the Senate leader coming from the left. Rudd was the exception to the norm, as he was unaffiliated - Gillard was historically and notionally of the left, but she obtained the Prime Ministership through the support of the right.

Shorten didn't win leadership cos it was the rights "turn". He won it because, while more Labor members identify with the left (as the member vote showed), the largest union bases (namely the AWU and the Shoppies) are of the right, which gives the right more pre-selection power.


To watch the Libs tearing each other apart, they are either really confident in winning a majority... or they're idiots. I've done a 180 on NXT supporting whoever wins the most seats - I can't see them backing this rabble given all the talk of "stability." I'm becoming more and more convinced that we'll be voting for the lower house again in September.
 
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