Confirmed - Live Trade 3: Carlton receive #19 and future 1st from Adelaide for their future 1st | BigFooty

Confirmed Live Trade 3: Carlton receive #19 and future 1st from Adelaide for their future 1st

Discussion in 'Drafts, Trading & Free Agency' started by Lore, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. Lore

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    The third live trade to go through last night was as follows;

    Crows receive: A future round 1 pick (Carlton)
    Blues receive: Pick 19 and a future round 1 pick (Adelaide)
     

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  2. BallaratBulldog

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    Imagine if Carlton finished last and Adelaide finish top four.
    Pick 1 for around 15-18.
     
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  3. PowerForGood

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    Plus Adel pick 19 last night.
     
  4. james Dean

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    Definitely a risk, but I'd be surprised if the Crows finish top 4 next year. Top 8 is a possibility but I don't think they will get back there.

    Either way pick 1-4 for ~10 and 19 is still a gamble by the blues
     
  5. Monkey King

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    Imagine if Stocker turns out to be a Luke Parker and Carlton finish 12th and the Crows 13th. That’s Stocker for free and a one pick reach around for good measure. Yeah unlikely, but if we’re playing “what if” games, let’s play the full spectrum.
     
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  6. Chief

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    Weird that this seems to be left out of most comment on the trade :)
     
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  7. Blues_Man

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    This...all these lot seem to be able to focus on is the round one pick swaps ....Stocker seems to have been forgotten in the discussions
     
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    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-22/the-blues-and-crows-trade-how-the-numbers-stack-up


    Of course, the obvious risk is that Carlton endures another season to forget in 2019. A bottom-place finish would obviously leave them without the coveted pick No.1.

    But based on the AFL's Draft Value Index (DVI), the Blues will accrue more value from the deal should it finish 14th or above next year – regardless of the Crows' fortunes.

    Even if Adelaide wins the flag – which is arguably a bigger 'if' than Carlton finishing 14th on the ladder – the Blues will have gained more DVI points than they will lose from the trade.

    Under this hypothetical, the cumulative total of this year's pick No.19 and next year's pick No.18 is 1933 DVI points. The total value of next year's pick No.5 – should the Blues finish 14th – is just 1878 DVI points.
     
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  9. adammania9

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    I usually don’t rate SOS but I’m a fan of this trade. I for one don’t think Adelaide are going back up the ladder and Carlton clearly have enough on-field upside to score themselves 6-8 wins.

    Rebuild is sped up and it puts some confidence in a struggling club. Fortune favours the brave.
     
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  10. BoltonsBlues

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    Stocker proves to be a judd clone.....draft number dont matter.
     
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    Apparently we gave Adelaide pick number one next year for nothing more than a firm handshake. WHY, SOS, WHY????
     

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  12. PP34

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    Why are people so fascinated with numbers?

    The numbers can be irrelevant depending on what happens. It’s about what the picks turn into.
     
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    Can’t wait for next year now. Carlton just handed over a top 3 Pick for Pick 19 and a pick 12-18.
     
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    Obviously you back in your List Manager, Blues obviously rate Stocker and potentially don't overly rate Adelaide next year.

    I do wonder if SOS dangled the 2019 first during trade week, it's not as though Stocker being present at pick 19 was some sort of shock drop - can't help but wonder if it would of been more valuable during trade week?

    Hope it works - shit like this gets list managers fired.
     
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  15. Jeremias

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    Can't wait for next year now. Adelaide just handed over a top 10 pick and pick 19 for pick 7.

    See, I can make up hypothetical situations too.
     
  16. dorianyates

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    That was a good trade by the Blues. I can see Carlton finishing 10-12 next year. Adelaide are an uncertainty and probably 7-8 next year
     
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  17. De Iulio2Wiggins

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    If this trade has taught me anything, it's that about a quarter of BigFooty still can't count to 2.

    So for all the clageaters down the back, remember that Carlton gets Adelaide's 2019 first round pick AND #19 this year.
     
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  18. Mr_Plow

    Mr_Plow That name again...

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    I see it very similarly.

    Carlton could very easily finish above the likes of Gold Coast, St. Kilda and Fremantle, given a favourable injury run.

    The likes of Geelong, Sydney, Adelaide, Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Port Adelaide are either declining from successful periods or in a state of limbo sitting around the 6-10th position. A few of these teams will have poor seasons, just going by the odds.
     
  19. 1990crow

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    Mines much more likely. Adelaide made a GF in 2017 and was ravaged by injury in 2018. Carlton have been shit the whole time.
     
  20. Mr_Plow

    Mr_Plow That name again...

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    Playing group may revolt against Don Pyke in 2019, be wary.
     
  21. The Old Dark Navy's

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    We did dangle it for Shiel. When the Setterfield trade was done, we had to get a 2nd rounder back in order to trade the 1st.
     
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  22. Jeremias

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    Yep, Carlton didn't have injuries at all in 2018.

    Please just stop.
     
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  23. Drewie11

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    Great move by Adelaide, Carlton with a 2 game winning year

    Yes they added some talent but not much really

    McGovern was struggling to be in best 22 at the end of the year and is a bit injury prone

    Newman was on the edge of best 22 at Sydney

    Setterfield has pretty much not played a game of footy for 2 years

    Fasolo couldn’t get a game at the pies either with all their injuries. I think he will be their best pick up next year

    The best for Carlton will be getting Docherty back and natural progression of all their young players. They needed help for Cripps and didn’t get it.

    In my opinion they will be better than last year but not by much. I think they will finish 17th above Gold Coast. I just can’t see them being above anyone else.
     
  24. Checkered

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    Pretty confident Carlton finish bottom 3 and Adelaide around 8ish.

    Doesn't look good on paper
     
  25. Bearded Clam

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    What???.... the player group that had 19 re-signings this year?...

    Just like the crows were gonna give up mcgovern for a single mid 20’s second rounder because of some rumours about a camp!..
     
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