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Confirmed Live Trade 3: Carlton receive #19 and future 1st from Adelaide for their future 1st

Discussion in 'Drafts, Trading & Free Agency' started by Lore, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. Comeonden

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    Richmond didnt finish last that year.
     

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  2. La Dispute

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    I'm not surely how that point flew so spectacularly over your head. The last round of the year can often end in a dead rubber; some teams just want to get to the finish line, and others need a win to generate some optimism going into the off-season. Given the huge gulf in talent and experience that game was always a chance of being a blowout.

    In Richmond's case, they seriously failed in 2016 after being hyped up the previous year following a big back-end to their season. Their finishing position actually makes their Round 23 game look significantly worse than the previous years grand finalists beating up on the wooden spoon team.
     
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  3. gardiner stand

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    Stop making sense you’re ruining the thread
     
  4. ad victoriam

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    In rd 1 2019 the Crows will have anywhere from 6 to 9 changes from that rd 23 game.
    And 5-7 changes from the rd 7 team.
     
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  5. Farktherest

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    Exactly...ultimately you can see why both clubs did what they did and hopefully it will end up a win-win.

    From Carlton's POV:
    We apparently rated Stocker 6th, meaning the immediate value of the pick swaps was worth it anyway when you add Adelaide's 2019 first
    We have a lot of top 10 draft pick kids on our list already...even if our 2019 first is a top 5 pick it's not as important to us as it would to other clubs
    We are likely to attempt to involve our 2019 first pick in a trade for a mature gun player anyway

    From Adelaide's POV:
    Had lots of high picks this year so didn't really need pick 19 that bad
    Likely the pick they get from us will be their highest draft pick ever to get a young gun or trade for Lukosius or Rankine
     
  6. Farktherest

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    It is interesting the difference is so big at the pointy end of the draft.

    But at the same time i reckon these kind of differences exist every year, all the time...we just don't know it.
    Different clubs have different priorities that define their 'best available'.

    Stocker missed the champs due to injury so that probably made him fly under the radar a little bit and also means to some recruiters he's a bit unproven to go that high in the draft since they didn't see him play against the other best kids which would help rate and compare them directly.

    We may be taking a bit of a punt that some of the attributes we've seen in him hold him in good stead to be a good AFL player, rather than having necessarily lots of proven performances to back it up in the champs like some other kids have.
     
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  7. Kane McGoodwin

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    Who is claiming we are top 4 certainties?

    Most Crows supporters are confident we should return to finals with a better injury run... but not many are claiming we are monties for top 4.
     
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  8. La Dispute

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    Look at the pick evaluations over the course of the thread. 18-15 is Top 4, no? Pick 14 is still 5th, Pick 13 is still 6th and so on and so forth.

    By my estimation Adelaide are a mid-range team contending with a glut of talented mid-range teams. They’re capable of mixing it with good teams but don’t have the top-end talent of West Coast, Richmond, Collingwood or even GWS or Geelong. Sure, they’ve got quality across the park, but even putting an easy draw aside, they still have to win the games they’re expected to win.

    I see teams like Brisbane, Fremantle and the Bulldigs as being danger games for any team next year too.

    Far too early too call at this point how either team is going to stack up.
     
  9. Ambrosia

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    Carlton fans in this thread:

    Adelaide aren't a certainty to improve next season the top 8 from last year are all good sides plus Essendon & North will be looking to jump up the ladder . Through in a couple of big improvers and the race for finals is 12 teams deep.

    Also Carlton fans in this thread:

    We expect to win 8 games next year.

    o_Oo_Oo_O
     
  10. Buzzasto DaSilva

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    Be careful. Criticise Carlton too much and you might get called a "closet Crows fan".
     
  11. Crow till I die

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    6-9 changes that will strengthen the team..not weaken it
     
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  12. La Dispute

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    Supporters on both sides have extreme views about where their teams will finish.

    Completely possible Adelaide make the Top 4, and almost as likely (but perhaps less so) Carlton will miss the Bottom 4, which we already managed in 2016 under Bolton.

    These are hardly huge predictions.
     
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  13. Arr0w

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    Gutting a list, as hard as what we have, is almost akin to starting from scratch. Surely you of all people, would know that wins, in the now, is not an indication of what will be
     
  14. Alwaysacrow

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    Carlton supporters with a balanced and sensible viewpoint are also hard to find in this thread.
     
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  15. RobR

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    Someone looking for me.
     
  16. gardiner stand

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    Sorry can’t agree with that
     
  17. FyfeToAdelaide

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    You did not watch Milera this past year it is very apparent.
     
  18. bmaurizio

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    In rd 1 2019 Baggers too, will have about 6 changes, which will definitely strengthen the team.
     
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  19. Monkey King

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    Just been reading the “which player has the greatest trade value” thread. See Curnow’s name mentioned a few times by neutrals. Nothing about Milera. The 2015 draft redo thread has Curnow right up there in many estimations, Milera not so much.

    If the benchmark for a “sensible viewpoint” is Milera being on par with Curnow to this point, you’re not going to find it anywhere but from other Crows posters.
     
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  20. Alwaysacrow

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    Probably because Milera is going nowhere. Adelaide boy and loves playing for the Crows.
     
  21. Jeremias

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    That thread doesn't take into account the likelihood of that player actually looking to move elsewhere.
     
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  22. RobR

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    Wrong answer.
     
  23. Alwaysacrow

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    Wow. Such arrogance. You'd think their team had just done a Hawthorn style 3peat instead of being the perpetual cellar dwellers that they are.
     
  24. Monkey King

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    Right, yes, of course. That makes perfect sense :huh:
     
  25. Crow till I die

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    it comes down to perception - the vic media pump up the tyres of all their locals and the interstaters don't get the same exposure. Look at someone like Luke Shuey at West Coast - fantastic player and brilliant in the GF - but before the game how much did we all know of him outside of WA in comparison to guys like De Goey who had every vic journalist and tv station pumping up his tyres. Naturally the more exposure a player gets in the media the more people look out for them
     
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