Confirmed Live Trade 3: Carlton receive #19 and future 1st from Adelaide for their future 1st

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And then they leave Adelaide. Practically a feeder club at this point. Always thereabouts in terms of ladder position, then players leave and you drop down a touch. Then the next crop come through and get you a little higher. Then they leave and the cycle continues. Sunrise. Sunset.
Yes..current home developed first team players such as sloane, b crouch, m crouch, d talia, tex, smith, laird, brown, douglas, atkins, greenwood, doedee, milera amongst others have all left the club?..i must have missed it
 

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Great post. Great post.

Gibbs' match stats though? From memory he was prolific. Why are you avoiding this?
Mate im not avoiding anything and his stats if you want them badly enough find them you want me to fight your argument for you lol

Unless he had 40+ possessions 11 tackles and kicked 3 goals (which i dont remember him doing during the game) he really was not the player that won the game for Carlton and as i said I remember Judd being the player that got Carlton going , Wait and Betts driving us supporters mad with kicking goals and also remember Robinson doing some really hard things during the game.

Gibbs from memory had a decent game but cant remember him doing anything spectacular or anything that really stood out in my mind

And he wouldnt have made a difference in the 2017 GF , You are delusional if you believe 1 player could have changed the course of that game where the entire adelaide team played below their standard on the day, What makes you think that on that day gibbs would have played a blinder to win it for them.

Also google is probably the place to look for what you may need
 

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I'll explain it for the 7th time to you Carlton fans, because you're clearly not getting it.
We dont gift games to our draftees, whether they're first round picks or not.

Carlton have consistently had spaces for draftees in the past decade. No need to earn a spot.

Tom Doedee didnt get a game for 2 years. Came in, 2nd in the rising star.
Where was Dow in the voting? Just out of interest? Oh he got 0 votes...yeh good year though.
Your team is lacking in small forwards with Betts being injured, and the loss of cameron.
He shoud slot straight in
 

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Your team is lacking in small forwards with Betts being injured, and the loss of cameron.
He shoud slot straight in
a) its the offseason
b) betts isnt injured
c) we have plenty of options there especially after this draft.
d) not even sure what point you're trying to make.
e) if we're lacking small forwards then what about Carlton having none?
 

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Great post. Great post.

Gibbs' match stats though? From memory he was prolific. Why are you avoiding this?
To suggest Gibbs would have made at least an eight goal difference in the 2017 grand final based on his stats from a game in 2013 is ridiculous, even from the usuals in this thread.
 

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And then they leave Adelaide. Practically a feeder club at this point. Always thereabouts in terms of ladder position, then players leave and you drop down a touch. Then the next crop come through and get you a little higher. Then they leave and the cycle continues. Sunrise. Sunset.
Feeder club that somehow finishes above you every season.
What does that say about Carlton?
 

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No, I’m not kidding.

His performance at the helm at Carlton is the only thing I care about.

If he succeeds at Carlton only a simpleton would suggest that achievement is diminished because he didn’t (which is also debatable) at the Giants.

I would have thought that’s very obvious.
Just a tip: His ability to actually do the job is what will reflect in his performance at Carlton.
You're contradicting yourself. There is a strong correlation between success at his old job and success at his new job.

For example I wouldnt hire Archbishop Phillip Wilson to babysit.
 

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a) its the offseason
b) betts isnt injured
c) we have plenty of options there especially after this draft.
d) not even sure what point you're trying to make.
e) if we're lacking small forwards then what about Carlton having none?
During the season Betts was injured...
Precisely, after this draft... Galluci couldve played this year.
I never said we weren't lacking small forwards.
 
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During the season Betts was injured...
Precisely, after this draft... Galluci couldve played this year.
I never said we weren't lacking small forwards.
Betts missed a few games and was ably replaced by Lachy Murphy.
Gallucci is more of a forward flank than a deep forward, very different style of player.
He is eventually our replacement for Richard Douglas. Spending time on a forward flank and in the midfield rotation.

Also he did play this year: 16 games including embarrassing Carlton for 17 touches 6 marks 4 tackles and 4 goals.
 
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Just a tip: His ability to actually do the job is what will reflect in his performance at Carlton.
You're contradicting yourself. There is a strong correlation between success at his old job and success at his new job.

For example I wouldnt hire Archbishop Phillip Wilson to babysit.
Just a tip: lose the condescending tone.

The only thing I care about is how Silvagni performs in his role at Carlton. Huff and puff all you like but I really couldn't give a shit how you or anyone else evaluate his prior performance.

It's laughable to think that should he be successful at Carlton his achievements there are diminished because of a lack of success elsewhere. And I reckon most rational people who aren't just looking to argue would probably agree.

I'm not even going to bother with your 'example'. Suffice to say it is absurd, irrelevant and completely inappropriate.

Time to get this topic back on track. Take your petty bullshit elsewhere thanks. Maybe the Adelaide board is a better place for you to discuss big bad SOS and his slamming laptop.
 

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Just a tip: lose the condescending tone.

The only thing I care about is how Silvagni performs in his role at Carlton. Huff and puff all you like but I really couldn't give a shit how you or anyone else evaluate his prior performance.

It's laughable to think that should he be successful at Carlton his achievements there are diminished because of a lack of success elsewhere. And I reckon most rational people who aren't just looking to argue would probably agree.

I'm not even going to bother with your 'example'. Suffice to say it is absurd, irrelevant and completely inappropriate.

Time to get this topic back on track. Take your petty bullshit elsewhere thanks. Maybe the Adelaide board is a better place for you to discuss big bad SOS and his slamming laptop.
Just saying he's less likely to be successful if he hasn't been successful at the same role in the past.
Thought this was pretty obvious. I get that you only care about what he does at Carlton.

Edit: wasnt mod bashing. Was asking if this behaviour is acceptable.
 
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Just saying he's less likely to be successful if he hasn't been successful at the same role in the past.
Thought this was pretty obvious. I get that you only care about what he does at Carlton.
I reckon if you asked most GWS fans they'd say Silvagni did a pretty decent job up there, all things considered.

Very different and difficult set of circumstances to deal with and they've been a strong team for a few years now despite not yet going all the way.

I know you're trying to find fault in anything and everything to do with him but you're right, ultimately I don't care what happens at the Giants because it's of no relevance to what happens at Carlton.

All we should be judging the job he's doing at Carlton is what's actually happening at Carlton, and to this point in time I'm very comfortable, including with the decision to pull the trigger on the trade this thread is for.

No doubt you and others will come back with all sorts of things but I reckon the reality of the situation is most opposition fans don't have a full understanding of what he has done, why he has done it, and how it has been of benefit to us.
 

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I reckon if you asked most GWS fans they'd say Silvagni did a pretty decent job up there, all things considered.

Very different and difficult set of circumstances to deal with and they've been a strong team for a few years now despite not yet going all the way.

I know you're trying to find fault in anything and everything to do with him but you're right, ultimately I don't care what happens at the Giants because it's of no relevance to what happens at Carlton.

All we should be judging the job he's doing at Carlton is what's actually happening at Carlton, and to this point in time I'm very comfortable, including with the decision to pull the trigger on the trade this thread is for.

No doubt you and others will come back with all sorts of things but I reckon the reality of the situation is most opposition fans don't have a full understanding of what he has done, why he has done it, and how it has been of benefit to us.
Myself and others will come back with all sorts of things because we arent biased.
You sound like you're 'hoping' hes doing a good job rather than actually knowing he is.

We wont know just yet, and to be fair I dont think the problem has really been drafting, its more of a developmental problem.
Whether that comes from throwing kids in the deep end too early or other factors, I dont know.
Whether that has changed, nobody knows yet.
 

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Myself and others will come back with all sorts of things because we arent biased.
You sound like you're 'hoping' hes doing a good job rather than actually knowing he is.

We wont know just yet, and to be fair I dont think the problem has really been drafting, its more of a developmental problem.
Whether that comes from throwing kids in the deep end too early or other factors, I dont know.
Whether that has changed, nobody knows yet.
What now you don't think it's a draft problem? We've been telling you for years it has been a developmental problem.
 

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I reckon if you asked most GWS fans they'd say Silvagni did a pretty decent job up there, all things considered.

Very different and difficult set of circumstances to deal with and they've been a strong team for a few years now despite not yet going all the way.

I know you're trying to find fault in anything and everything to do with him but you're right, ultimately I don't care what happens at the Giants because it's of no relevance to what happens at Carlton.

All we should be judging the job he's doing at Carlton is what's actually happening at Carlton, and to this point in time I'm very comfortable, including with the decision to pull the trigger on the trade this thread is for.

No doubt you and others will come back with all sorts of things but I reckon the reality of the situation is most opposition fans don't have a full understanding of what he has done, why he has done it, and how it has been of benefit to us.
I agree he did a good job. It's absurd to say the case has been made he didn't.

Dave Matthews was right when he said our cap problems were the result if previous list managers being very good at their jobs IMO.
 

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I agree he did a good job. It's absurd to say the case has been made he didn't.

Dave Matthews was right when he said our cap problems were the result if previous list managers being very good at their jobs IMO.
Question is with 28 top 10 picks would anyone have done a bad job?
What is he going to do next year when he likely has a pick in the teens and thats all in the first 2 rounds.

Thats the true test of a recruiter.

What if SOS had to choose between Kelly and Boyd. Would he have chosen Boyd?
What if he had to choose between Coniglio and Butine or Greene and Sumner?

His job was akin to running a casino. Almost impossible to fail.
 
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SOS has only had one pick in the teens at Carlton: Stocker, so hard to judge until he’s had a few seasons.

At GWS he picked up Smith, Greene, Corr, Jaksch, Adams and McCarthy with picks in the teens.
 

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SOS has only had one pick in the teens at Carlton: Stocker, so hard to judge until he’s had a few seasons.

At GWS he picked up Smith, Greene, Corr, Jaksch, Adams and McCarthy with picks in the teens.
He also picked Sumner with 10, Buntine with 5, Boyd and Patton with 1, O'Roarke with 2, Plowman with 3.

Theres a fair few top level misses among a lot of hits.
 
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He also picked Sumner with 10, Buntine with 5, Boyd and Patton with 1, O'Roarke with 2, Plowman with 3.

Theres a fair few top level misses among a lot of hits.
I’m talking specifically about players picked in the teens.

Sumner was unlucky with injuries, and lost his pace over the course of his short career which was his main weapon. Never really got a good run at either club.

Buntine has spent a lot of time injured but is a solid enough player - not really a pick 5 though, and was picked on a few intangibles (leadership etc). The development of Haynes and deployment of Tomlinson in defence has partly impacted how he is used in the GWS lineup.

Both Boyd and Patton were consensus first choices. Boyd was traded after year one and Patton’s had a stack of injuries, and more recently form issues.

O’Rourke was undoubtably a reach. An easy first round choice, and helped by a weak first-round, but didn’t have any real POD and spent most of his career injured: at both GWS and Hawthorn. I think SOS wanted as an outside mid due to the spate of inside mids GWS took in their first draft, as well as their pre-selections etc in Shiel, Treloar. Was either him or Toumpas, and now both look like busts.

Plowman was a poor selection, and a huge reach. Hard to see the logic given GWS took a heap of mid-sized defenders the previous draft, and there were queries over his pace even at under 18 level. Still baffling, and I suspect SOS may have wanted to draft two teammates with 2&3 (O’Rourke and Plowman are both from the Macedon ranges) to help with retention, which didn’t work out in any case.
 
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