Lleyton Hewitt

[feher]

No he's not. I don't have a problem with his come ons.BTW do you enjoy sucking up to them? That is all he does and all his opponents have to do to stop it is get on top of him. It seems there are now only a really small minority soft enough to be 'upset' with him being so energetic and passionate which is good to see. He has won alot over of late so good on him.

So its okay for him to do his come on after his opponent lost the point, not him won it?????? He is a tool.

I reckon its more then small minority, pretty obvious Blake and Chela had enough.

 

[feher]

It didn't hit him but even so, it is disgraceful behaviour. The deliberate serve at his body was even more disgraceful IMO plus the finger given by the buffoon in Chela's camp.

I agree he had to get punished, can't remember did Hewitt get punish for his racist remarks at the US Open?

 

[Macca19]

I would have thought he had every right to after Chela's disgraceful performance. Hewitt may annoy people with his come ons but spitting and the other antics from Chela's group are far worse than anything Hewitt does these days.

The spitting came straight after Hewitt called him a f***head. If someone called me that id react as well...spitting no...but i would certainly react.

As for pumping himself up. Theres getting pumped up and then theres going overboard. Hes gone thru about 10 months of "pumping himself up" this tournament alone. Not too many people minded him doing the come ons 4-5 times a match. Now hes doing it 6-8 times a set so its no wonder why his opponents this tournament have had a go at it.

 

[JohnF]

So its okay for him to do his come on after his opponent lost the point, not him won it?????? He is a tool.

I reckon its more then small minority, pretty obvious Blake and Chela had enough.

Did you hear Federer yell out c'mon! twice today in the third set tie breaker against Baghdatis when Baghdatis made 2 unforced errors?

What do you think about that? Does that make Roger a tool?

 

[JohnF]

I agree he had to get punished, can't remember did Hewitt get punish for his racist remarks at the US Open?

Do you remember what his racist remarks were?

 

[JohnF]

The spitting came straight after Hewitt called him a f***head. If someone called me that id react as well...spitting no...but i would certainly react.

As for pumping himself up. Theres getting pumped up and then theres going overboard. Hes gone thru about 10 months of "pumping himself up" this tournament alone. Not too many people minded him doing the come ons 4-5 times a match. Now hes doing it 6-8 times a set so its no wonder why his opponents this tournament have had a go at it.

Would you call someone a faakhead if they tried to hit you with their serve on the full? I would.

As to Hewitt pumping himself up, yeah he does it excessively, no doubt.

As to this tournament, he has been engaged in two real struggles the last two matches and for the most part the c'mons were understandable. He was facing two sets down and most likely out of the tournament at that stage agaisnt Blake when he went ape.

As to his match with Chela, he had chased down a hard ball to retrieve and forced Chela to hit one more shot. Chela stuffed up and I think a come on was warranted for the pressure he put on Chela to make him hit that one extra shot. Not to mention that it gave him a break point in a tightly contested match.

 

[Dasher39]

Did you hear Federer yell out c'mon! twice today in the third set tie breaker against Baghdatis when Baghdatis made 2 unforced errors?

What do you think about that? Does that make Roger a tool?

Of course it wouldnt, Roger is a golden boy!! People only get upset when it is Lleyton doing the C'mons!

Personally I dont have a problem with it, and in fact think its great. We have so many robots in todays sport and its great to see someone show some emotion out there! Unfortunately we have become so used to robots, that when we get a personality we have to condemn them.

How people can say this is Lleytons fault is beyond me and they need to get off his back. For christs sake, he has been doing it for 7 years, we all know he will do it so just get over it!

What Chela did was a disgrace and he deserves everything he gets!

 

[feher]

Do you remember what his racist remarks were?

Not word for word, but it was clear what he meant especially after the press-confrence where he would have easily said "they are both american" rather then his p1ss poor excuse.

 

[JohnF]

Spot on Dasher.

Watching tennis in the 90's was a bore due largely to the dominance of robots like Sampras who had the personality of a zombie.

Hewitt engages the crowd, repulses half of them, inspires the other half, but he keeps everyone interested and engaged. Good for him and good for tennis.

 

[feher]

Did you hear Federer yell out c'mon! twice today in the third set tie breaker against Baghdatis when Baghdatis made 2 unforced errors?

What do you think about that? Does that make Roger a tool?

Wow 2 times, in one set, how many has he done this tournament? How many times has Hewitt? Add to that how loud was Federer's compared to Hewitts.

I don't have a problem with come-on, I have a problem with his timing and how often he does it. If he say does it 1 or 2 a match, while still annoying as ******** I can live with that. I can't remember the likes of Federer saying come-on every game, or at least as loud as Hewitts.

 

[Thrawn]

Do I need to say more????

No, you do not.

This thread is about Lleyton Hewitt. The Australian Open is on. Therefore it is reasonable enough to bump this thread. It appears you missed this from the link you provided... ah, don't you love selective editing:

As for the first part, some threads are worth bringing back to add an updated comment, new info etc

This thread falls into the criteria. And seeing as this thread has actually added to the discussion of this particular forum, I don't see how you can call us hypocritical. It's generated some debate that has actual relevance in the present. And that's a good thing.

You would have a stronger point if the thread in question wasn't relevant at all and didn't spark any sensible debate.

 

[feher]

No, you do not.

This thread is about Lleyton Hewitt. The Australian Open is on. Therefore it is reasonable enough to bump this thread. It appears you missed this from the link you provided... ah, don't you love selective editing:

This thread falls into the criteria.

Like I said take it up with Fred and the continual rules change that I can't find anywhere.

I did no such selective editing (please provide the proof), not my fault you only added a smilie and little else, but I did provide you the evidence that Fred say's when a bump post is acceptable and when it isn't, not my fault if you guys don't listen to each other. Oh and it seems like Fred might agree with me that you didn't do the correct thing.

http://67.18.212.125/forum/showpost.php?p=2772838&postcount=40
Fred below:
http://67.18.212.125/forum/showpost.php?p=2772895&postcount=41

You probably won't get this but I still want my thread back from the Hawks board that was correctly bumped, and Fred and co. to stop deleting bump threads.

 

[JohnF]

Not word for word, but it was clear what he meant especially after the press-confrence where he would have easily said "they are both american" rather then his p1ss poor excuse.

Hewitt was complaining because he thought the linesman was being racist against him. How does that make him racist? That's a fascinating twist.

I don't see much evidence of Hewitt being racist at all. Look at the people he hangs around with. Andrew Mcleod, Roger Rasheed, his hitting partner Jim Chaousis.

 

[Thrawn]

Oh and it seems like Fred might agree with me that you didn't do the correct thing.

http://67.18.212.125/forum/showpost.php?p=2772838&postcount=40
Fred below:
http://67.18.212.125/forum/showpost.php?p=2772895&postcount=41

You probably won't get this but I still want my thread back from the Hawks board that was correctly bumped, and Fred and co. to stop deleting bump threads.

Then I will talk to Fred about it. I personally thought bumping this thread was appropiate, as the Australian Open is currently on where more discussion would be raised about Hewitt and his form rather than creating a new thread about it.

As for the Hawks board, I'm only the Carlton board mod. Can't help you there, but I will make a request if you want me to.

 

[feher]

Hewitt was complaining because he thought the linesman was being racist against him. How does that make him racist? That's a fascinating twist.

I don't see much evidence of Hewitt being racist at all. Look at the people he hangs around with. Andrew Mcleod, Roger Rasheed, his hitting partner Jim Chaousis.

So that somehow makes his comments not racist? because he hangs around McLeod and co??????

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/us_open_tennis/1520183.stm

The Australian complained to umpire Andres Egli and asked for a black linesman to be moved after being called for two foot-faults in the third set. "Look at him," Hewitt said, gesturing at the linesman. "And look at him," pointing at Blake. "You tell me what the similarity is.

"You put him off the court, get him off the court."

hmmm pretty damning.


Blake:

"It did bother me a little bit but I figured that it was in the heat of the moment when he's fighting out there and not thinking about being politically correct.

"I hope he didn't mean anything derogatory by it but I can't speak for him. I hope he didn't mean it in a racist way.

I could quote more, but the link is their for you to read and others.

 

[feher]

Then I will talk to Fred about it. I personally thought bumping this thread was appropiate, as the Australian Open is currently on where more discussion would be raised about Hewitt and his form rather than creating a new thread about it.

I dont' have a problem with it, but according to Fred's rules you didn't do it right.

 

[JohnF]

Wow 2 times, in one set, how many has he done this tournament? How many times has Hewitt? Add to that how loud was Federer's compared to Hewitts.

I don't have a problem with come-on, I have a problem with his timing and how often he does it. If he say does it 1 or 2 a match, while still annoying as ******** I can live with that. I can't remember the likes of Federer saying come-on every game, or at least as loud as Hewitts.

No, two times in the space of 3 points.

He did it more than two times that set and he has done it on a few occasions this tournament, (as well as other tournaments) despite not being seriously tested and cruising in most matches. Federer does it as loud as Hewitt does when he does it.

No he doesn't do it as often as Hewitt does but he does do it.

Anyway, what's so annoying about it? Do you get annoyed at the footy when people cheer? Do you get annoyed when players celebrate and hug each other on the footy field? Why are you so offended by it?

You should watch some table tennis where they scream after every single point. I wonder how you would react to that. Personally I think it's great theatre.

 

[Thrawn]

I dont' have a problem with it, but according to Fred's rules you didn't do it right.

I wasn't aware that I had to post more than a sentence (or even a smiley) when bumping new threads until I saw the post you provided, for the better part this thread hasn't turned out badly at all. I'd never bump up irrelevant threads that serve no purpose and if Fred wishes to send me a PM about the matter then that's fair enough.

 

[JohnF]

So that somehow makes his comments not racist? because he hangs around McLeod and co??????

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/us_open_tennis/1520183.stm

hmmm pretty damning.


Blake:
I could quote more, but the link is their for you to read and others.

Did you actually read my post? He was accusing the lines person of making bull******** calls because he thought he was racist and favouring Blake.

If you call some one a cheater does that make you a cheater?

If you call someone a basketball player does that make you a basketball player?

You'd be a great person to have on an anti discrimination board. If somebody came to you claiming they were vilified you would probably tell them to stop being so racist.

 

[feher]

No, two times in the space of 3 points.

Well I am sorry I can't remember it, I wasn't paying 100% attention to his game.

He did it more than two times that set and he has done it on a few occasions this tournament, (as well as other tournaments) despite not being seriously tested and cruising in most matches. Federer does it as loud as Hewitt does when he does it.

If I get a chance to re-watch the game I will, and hear it for myself.

No he doesn't do it as often as Hewitt does but he does do it.

That is the point, he would do it what? 1% of Hewitt in terms of how loud he does it.

Anyway, what's so annoying about it? Do you get annoyed at the footy when people cheer? Do you get annoyed when players celebrate and hug each other on the footy field? Why are you so offended by it?

It is annoying because he does it when the opponent loses the point, nothing to do with his own game, he does it way too often. Comparing the crowd and hugs to what Hewitt does is just laugable. What Hewitt does is not the norm, sure its good to see someone that isn't the same, but when he does it so often it really gets on your nerve, and you just wonder what his opponent is thinking.

You should watch some table tennis where they scream after every single point. I wonder how you would react to that. Personally I think it's great theatre.

Can't comment, haven't seen it.

 

[feher]

Did you actually read my post? He was accusing the lines person of making bull******** calls because he thought he was racist and favouring Blake.

I did and I couldn't find that in the article, can you please dig that up for me?

If you call some one a cheater does that make you a cheater?

If you call someone a basketball player does that make you a basketball player?

You'd be a great person to have on an anti discrimination board. If somebody came to you claiming they were vilified you would probably tell them to stop being so racist.

Blake obviously was un-easy about it, and Hewitts comments are still p1ss poor excuses.

 

[JohnF]

Just on the Hewitt racism issue, the reason why people see it as controversial in my opinion is that there wasn't any real evidence that the linesperson was being racist. He could have been just making bad calls (he has been removed from the tour by the way because of continued bad calls).

If anything I think this makes Hewitt rash, or paranoid or jumping to conclusions, but to me it doesn't show that he is racist.

That he hangs around with people of different ethnicities and backgrounds further bolsters my belief.

 

[JohnF]

I did and I couldn't find that in the article, can you please dig that up for me?


Blake obviously was un-easy about it, and Hewitts comments are still p1ss poor excuses.

"The Australian complained to umpire Andres Egli and asked for a black linesman to be moved after being called for two foot-faults in the third set."

Yeah and Blake has also subsequently given Hewitt the benfit of the doubt and they have been on good speaking terms since then. Not that that has anything to do with it, but you did bring up how un-easy Blake is with it, so O bring this up.

 

[feher]

Let me just say one thing about the Hewitt come-on compared to say Federer's. Lets say Hewitt cuts back on it to say 1-2 a match and as loud as before and does that stupid finger to eye pointing I would still find it annoying because of his past history. In time I could accept it, but their is no signs of him calming this crap down. How would a opponent that is ranked extremely low feel about playing Hewitt? Would you enjoy it? Would you enjoy him doing his crap after you make a bad shoot to give him say a break? if you did then you are more tolerant person then me.

Just on the Hewitt racism issue, the reason why people see it as controversial in my opinion is that there wasn't any real evidence that the linesperson was being racist. He could have been just making bad calls (he has been removed from the tour by the way because of continued bad calls).

If anything I think this makes Hewitt rash, or paranoid or jumping to conclusions, but to me it doesn't show that he is racist.

That he hangs around with people of different ethnicities and backgrounds further bolsters my belief.

On the rest it sounds like your beliefs that he isn't a racist slipping a bit. He might not be a racist in the traditional sense but that doesn't mean he isn't intolerant in his own way.

 

[feher]

"The Australian complained to umpire Andres Egli and asked for a black linesman to be moved after being called for two foot-faults in the third set."

right, so that means that Hewitt thinks the lines man was a racist? either he is paranoid or racist for believing that crap. It would be nothing more then home-town decision, just like what he gets at the AusOpen.

Yeah and Blake has also subsequently given Hewitt the benfit of the doubt and they have been on good speaking terms since then. Not that that has anything to do with it, but you did bring up how un-easy Blake is with it, so O bring this up.

I have given the benefit of the doubt to a number of people, but what I keep to myself isn't always the same.