Lloyd gone.

[Kings Army]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Sewell has a fractured eye socket - add some more weeks and make the decision to retire an easy one. He is a liability and now a joke to watch anyway.

 

[Leedawsom]

I hope Lloyd gets a week just to ruin his record. But I don't give a crap what happens. Oops sorry I swore. sorry

 

[Kings Army]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

BT is spot on.
Also, how God damn hypocritical is "rent a thug" Brown for calling Lloyd a sniper when Chance Bateman without a doubt targeted and sniped Lloyd. Very average Hawks, take a look at yourself before making allegations you can't back up.

If Lloyd is going to act like a weak dog he is going to have to cop everything that comes his way. Every Hawk player had the right to give him one each time he went near the ball. Live by the sword you should also die by it.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

BT is absolutely spot on the money. Dead right.

Lloyd will go under the rules, but this and the Franklin incident show that intention must return as the deciding factor in a physical clash

You guys are making me laugh.

How many people, former players, coaches and commentators have come out and said that the Franklin bump shouldn't be suspendable? Virtually everyone who's been asked.

Nobody is saying that Lloyd's bump shouldn't get weeks.

The two bumps are not comparable.

Intention has little to do with it. Lloyd charged at Sewell, whether he meant to knock him over or knock him out has nothing to do with it.

He got him high with the initial contact.

 

[maryjames]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Brian Taylor was spot on..

 

[Cousins2Higgins]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

How do you know Lloyd did not mean to knock him out? Unless you can get into the head of a coward your guessing what his intent was. People may not like Brown but at least he had the courage to come out and say what most people in football think about Lloyd - sniping coward.

hit.nail.head.

 

[Messenger]

Of course he wasn't touching Lloyd, he had pushed him already. Watch the video.

Yep, he was KO'd - by a headclash!

And if you dont understand the importance of intent, you shouldn't be in this conversation.

Oh dear. You have no high ground to run to here.

First he was pushed, then it was a clash of heads. Show us a close up image instead of the grainy distance shot. I think his shoulder got Sewell's head. I am, unlike your good self, prepared to be corrected.

I've tried reason with you, but no. I guess I'll just have to turn the switch back to BigFooty.

 

[Dawson]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

You have a good argument relative to Brown and Clarkson.

You have no aergument relative to Hypocrisy.

Hawk fans could only be hypocritical if the incidents were the same/similar.

Simple fact is that the buddy/lloyd incidents were not similar, thus making hypocrisy irrelevant and impossible.

See this is where the hypocrisy comes in, they are both very similar incidents, but your refusal to accept that is hypocritical, but your not on your own, most other Hawks supporters are the same.

You don't want to believe they are similar, because if you did, you would have to come and say Lloyd shouldn't be suspended just as you with Franklin.

Try honesty for a change

 

[Hostage]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

If Lloyd is going to act like a weak dog he is going to have to cop everything that comes his way. Every Hawk player had the right to give him one each time he went near the ball. Live by the sword you should also die by it.

How does Lloyd going in for a bump (which is a part of Australian Rules Football) make him a weak dog, just because he connected with Sewell's head?

You want to talk about weak dogs, look at Campbell Brown, all huff and puff who knows he doesn't have the skill to influence a game of football so is forced to resort to trying to appear tough through interviews in the media. Yeah a real big man.

 

[Mr Cool]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Brian Taylor was spot on..

He's a great media man and I value his media opinion. Not like his livelihood depends on his pre meditated take on things.

 

[Durham Hawks]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

the buddy bump is just coincidence. lloyd's hit was more like a byron pickett special before head-over-the-ball player rules got refined.

 

[didak04]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

You guys are making me laugh.

How many people, former players, coaches and commentators have come out and said that the Franklin bump shouldn't be suspendable? Virtually everyone who's been asked.

Nobody is saying that Lloyd's bump shouldn't get weeks.

The two bumps are not comparable.

Intention has little to do with it. Lloyd charged at Sewell, whether he meant to knock him over or knock him out has nothing to do with it.

He got him high with the initial contact.

Your own Shane Crawford stated that the two bumps were very similar.

Both bumps to the head, both warrant suspension under the current law.

Open the other eye and you might see that

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

You guys are making me laugh.

How many people, former players, coaches and commentators have come out and said that the Franklin bump shouldn't be suspendable? Virtually everyone who's been asked.

Nobody is saying that Lloyd's bump shouldn't get weeks.

The two bumps are not comparable.

Intention has little to do with it. Lloyd charged at Sewell, whether he meant to knock him over or knock him out has nothing to do with it.

He got him high with the initial contact.

what a load of horseshit.

Talk about make people laugh.

All last week you bleat about the death of the bump, then when it happens against one of your mob, Lloyd is a sniper?

The two bumps aren't comparable So Hawthorn bumps are ok, bumps on Hawthorn aren't.

Hypocrite

 

[maryjames]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

How can a guy like Brown call Lloyd a sniper... seriously didn't brown get rubbed out for 4 weeks in 2004 for hitting Lloyd?? Whos the real sniper....And mini Clarke having words at Lloyd, what a joke, how many hits behind the play did little Clarko do in his sniping career..
Seriously hawks have embarrassed themselves.

 

[clogwearer]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

As long as Lloyd gets rubbed out, I think Hawthorn fans can live with the idea that the rule are similarly inequitable.

Nothing to do with Lloyd getting rubbed out because Buddy did. It's all about the same people who were vigorously defending Buddy's hit last week making Lloyd out to be a gutless thug....FFS the ball was right there to be won, it was an in-play clash. 9 out of every 10 players in the league would still have been going in like Lloyd was.

How do you know Lloyd did not mean to knock him out? Unless you can get into the head of a coward your guessing what his intent was.

Same argument I'd mount against all the BF posters convinced that Lloyd charged off the line with the sole intent to hurt a Hawk player. Can't have it both ways...even though with your posting history where Essendon is concerned, I know you'd love to. As your second sentence in this post indicates...tosser.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

the buddy bump is just coincidence. lloyd's hit was more like a byron pickett special before head-over-the-ball player rules got refined.

absolute tripe. God almighty could you be any more biased?

Poor angelic buddy was just protecting himself, Lloyd "ran through him".

Not only complete hypocrisy, but also completely and utterly incorrect

 

[Hodgepodge]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Your own Shane Crawford stated that the two bumps were very similar.

Yeah, I'm sure he said something similar but completely different.

 

[Smokin]

Oh dear. You have no high ground to run to here.

First he was pushed, then it was a clash of heads. Show us a close up image instead of the grainy distance shot. I think his shoulder got Sewell's head. I am, unlike your good self, prepared to be corrected.

I've tried reason with you, but no. I guess I'll just have to turn the switch back to BigFooty.

no, I am showing evidence to back up what I am seeing. You are just denying everything. Go get some evidence if you dont believe what I am showing.

I dont care if he goes, he will go because they are the rules and unlike Hawthorn, I accept them.

I am only arguing the intent of Lloyd, because his name has been dragged through the mud by some individuals who are the last people who should be doing so.

And yes, the positioning of Lloyd at the point of impact can provide evidence to the push - his head was before his shoulder FFS. Hardly the intent of a big, mean sniper!

Anyway, Im watching the UFC.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

it is embarrassing to see a club's supporters HAVE A WAKE FOR THE BUMP then get so upset when there's a bit of physicality!!!

Unbelievable! Lloyd will get weeks under the rules, which you were all so passionately bleating were WRONG last week.

So which is it?

Embarrassing behaviour by Brown, Clarko, and some Hawthorn supporters

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

People may not like Brown but at least he had the courage to come out and say what most people in football think about Lloyd - sniping coward.

LOL - I bet you were the type to mouth off to other kids while hiding behind your mum's skirt.

TBH I reckon you still probably do it, only these days you're wearing her dress!

 

[alfy!]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Should get off, so should have Buddy, but the Hawks reaction is less than professional and BT is correct.

 

[allchinoman]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Yeah, I'm sure he said something similar but completely different.

He said those exact words about an hour ago you twat

 

[didak04]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

Yeah, I'm sure he said something similar but completely different.

Yeah, no.

You are biased and you are making a fool of yourself.

Move on, there is always next season.

 

[Clay Davis]

I don't buy into arguments about what Lloyds intent was, I am not not a mind reader like alot of Hawk and Essendon supporters seem to be.

Intent has nothing to do with it.

It's the result that matters, and the result was a hit flush to the head that knoecked Sewell out cold.

I am not to sure why there is so much argument about it

Don't have to read minds, just body language. If his intent was to take out Sewell, then the way he went about it was completely wrong. His arms are out in front of him, and collects Sewell front on while crouched himself. No intent for collision there at all. If there was intent, he would have his arms tucked, be brace for contact, and standing upright. Pretty easy to determine.

If we're going to rule out contact that risks head injuries, then why not rule out tackles? Lloyd had no intention to collect him high.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Re: Brian Taylor on Matty Lloyd

what a load of horseshit.

Talk about make people laugh.

All last week you bleat about the death of the bump, then when it happens against one of your mob, Lloyd is a sniper?

You're uneducated.

The reason the Franklin bump was controversial is because the initial contact wasn't high. The head contact came after the initial bump. That's the Nick Maxwell rule which means the bumper is responsible for secondary contact.

The Lloyd hit was to the chin and only the chin.

The two bumps aren't comparable So Hawthorn bumps are ok, bumps on Hawthorn aren't. Hypocrite

No, that's you putting words in my mouth.

The two bumps just aren't comparable, regardless of which teams were involved. This is because of the type of contact that was made.